Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - CP3/Gallo trade idea pg.81

jschligs · Post #1641 » by **jschligs** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:26 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:I want to say this is never happening but Lasry is a gambler and absolutely the type of guy who would be tempted to roll the dice on something like this. It's also tough not to worry about what it would do the overall team chemistry and what Giannis would think about blowing up a 29-5 team that has been a well oiled machine.

I just have a hard time seeing Horst being on board with this. Horst has done everything right IMO as of late and even though Lasry has his own MO most of the time, he has to trust what Horst has done.

Post #1642 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:26 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
DavidDunn21 wrote:Gallo & Khris is a wash to me. Both will look great when they're on. I would stand pat this year. Panic trade next year

The problem is that some contender is going to come after Paul this season. Likely at the trade deadline.

Of all the guys we could do a trade for, Paul is arguably THE guy that would be both available, and be the vet to get you across the finish line.

It would take balls of steel on the Bucks part to make this deal. Especially since Gallo can walk next summer. But if you truly believe Bledsoe and Middleton will shrink in the ECF.......

Everything I've read and heard state that nobody wants him.

Post #1643 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:29 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Everything I've read and heard state that nobody wants him.

Old Man Riley would pull the trigger. Dragic and Waiters works in the trade machine. Saves OKC massive dollars. Add a pick and OKC can get out from under that $85mm still owed him after this season.

Bucksfan28 · Post #1644 » by **Bucksfan28** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:31 pm

So not only could we drop off from an on-the-court perspective, we would still have to add guys to match salaries w/OKC? **** no.

Consolidating a couple young guys + pick(s) is the way I'd go if something gets done.

Post #1645 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:31 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Everything I've read and heard state that nobody wants him.

Old Man Riley would pull the trigger. Dragic and Waiters works in the trade machine. Saves OKC massive dollars. Add a pick and OKC can get out from under that $85mm still owed him after this season.

They've already talked deals and Miami passed. They're in the same boat as us: top of the conference, no reason to bust up a well-oiled machine.

Also, and this is the big one: Miami wants in on the Giannis game. He's not going to do a single thing to screw up cap space in 2021.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #1646 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:32 pm

paul is going to help teams once hes a part time 36-38 yo buyout or mle candidate... not before imo

JoeyMorgan619 · Post #1647 » by **JoeyMorgan619** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:36 pm

A lot of action because of some random guy in a steakhouse in OKC. I don't buy it.

If it is true, yuck. Still don't know why anyone would want to mess up this team with how we've been playing. I don't care about Middleton/Bledsoe's playoff woes. I'm guessing Toronto wouldn't have won had they given up on Lowry after his disappointments in the playoffs. If Bled/Khris suck it up in the playoffs this year, maybe we pull the trigger then. Not midseason when we have looked so good.

raferfenix · Post #1648 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:37 pm

Holiday + Redick might be a more attractive trade package to contenders vs CP + Gallo.

Lowe linked the Bucks to Redick.

The Heat have been linked to Jrue too per Shams.

If Milwaukee were to put Middleton on the table we could beat a lot of other team's offers. Rebuilding teams wouldn't necessarily want him but he'd have plenty of value in a 3-way trade I imagine. Bledsoe as well.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #1649 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:42 pm

middleton and Bledsoe could both be moved for solid returns individually. if you got 3rd an 4th teams involved okc could get stupid value back considering theres no market for paul right now this deal doesn't even make sense for that reason alone.

the only deal im considering is a multi team deal involving all sorts of young assets and picks going to okc where we get back paul, expirings and SGA or somebody on that level. another young star type replacement to replace that element if were sending middleton out. if not SGA then im not giving up our two allstar level producers in the prime of their careers unless somebody else coughs up that kind of value.

basically alone coming in....the 34 yo old fading near corpse of chris paul is NOT helping this team in any kind of big picture way if multiple guys here that are major contributors are headed out.

Gallinari is mirotic 2.0. not interested

Bucksmaniac · Post #1650 » by **Bucksmaniac** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:56 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:I wouldn't throw Ersan into any deal just to make salaries work. He has great value.

Yea, that's where I'm at now too. He might be our 2nd or 3rd most valuable player.

The way he’s played this year George Hill is definitely more valuable, then you have Bledsoe and I think Middleton still ahead of him, but your point is taken that he’s as important as many starters would be.

theFireBlanket · Post #1651 » by **theFireBlanket** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:00 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Everything I've read and heard state that nobody wants him.

Old Man Riley would pull the trigger. Dragic and Waiters works in the trade machine. Saves OKC massive dollars. Add a pick and OKC can get out from under that $85mm still owed him after this season.

They've already talked deals and Miami passed. They're in the same boat as us: top of the conference, no reason to bust up a well-oiled machine.

Also, and this is the big one: Miami wants in on the Giannis game. He's not going to do a single thing to screw up cap space in 2021.

Jimmy likes Dragic. Rumor is no one likes playing with CP3. Why the hell would Riley trade a player their guy is praising for an aging player no one likes?

CP3 has never won anything in the playoffs. Why the hell are we dealing younger, more productive players for middling vets? This team thrives with Bledsoe.

Chris would drive Giannis out of MKE, from taking the ball, to all the leaguewide talk. There's going to be a drop off. That top D going down. They'll come up short of the Finals again. You're killing killer chemistry. Playing with fire, going to get burned.

theFireBlanket · Post #1652 » by **theFireBlanket** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:06 pm

If this is what Marc Lasry wants to do, hopefully he's got the self control to let GM Horst make the decision on whether or not it's worth even exploring.

A meddling owner should sell shares & go buy into his hometown Knickerbockers. Don't ruin our franchise again.

soxperry · Post #1653 » by **soxperry** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:13 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:Gallinari is mirotic 2.0. not interested

Mirotic didnt work out but i thought we had the right idea especially given the price.

Khris hasnt been terrible in the playoffs like Bled, its just that Khris isnt as athletic and as much as a playmaker as a lot of elite teams' number 2s.

Im willing to give Bled one more try and then ship his ass out ASAP if he fails again. If the playoffs dont go well its going to be very important to show Giannis that we are willing to do what it takes very quickly.

Honestly, i think a guy like Bogdonavic who doesnt make much is going to be the play but even then we have to give up Ersan and that doesnt seem smart either.

We may just roll with what we got.

soxperry · Post #1654 » by **soxperry** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:15 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:If this is what Marc Lasry wants to do, hopefully he's got the self control to let GM Horst make the decision on whether or not it's worth even exploring.

A meddling owner should sell shares & go buy into his hometown Knickerbockers. Don't ruin our franchise again.

Its astonishing to me that either of our owners think they know enough about basketball to make major team decisions. Thats what the gm is for.

Isocleas2 · Post #1655 » by **Isocleas2** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:16 pm

The Middleton and Bled trade for CP3 almost caused me to vomit all over the keyboard. We deserve to lose Giannis if were going to **** up that badly.

With the team playing as well as they are you don't change a thing unless it's a no brainer gotta make it type move. The only guy I'd even want to move is Sterling and hes not worth anything besides maybe a 2nd rounder.

xTitan · Post #1656 » by **xTitan** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:18 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
DavidDunn21 wrote:Gallo & Khris is a wash to me. Both will look great when they're on. I would stand pat this year. Panic trade next year

The problem is that some contender is going to come after Paul this season. Likely at the trade deadline.

Of all the guys we could do a trade for, Paul is arguably THE guy that would be both available, and be the vet to get you across the finish line.

It would take balls of steel on the Bucks part to make this deal. Especially since Gallo can walk next summer. But if you truly believe Bledsoe and Middleton will shrink in the ECF.......

Except Paul has never got anyone close to the finish line, hell he’s barely gotten anyone in a legitimate race, I don’t want anything to do with him

theFireBlanket · Post #1657 » by **theFireBlanket** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:19 pm

You simply don't mess with a 28-5 team.

LuessiT · Post #1658 » by **LuessiT** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:22 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:You simply don't mess with a 28-5 team.

But what about a 29-5 team?

SupremeHustle · Post #1659 » by **SupremeHustle** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:25 pm

Hell no.

Bucksfan28 · Post #1660 » by **Bucksfan28** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:29 pm

soxperry wrote:
theFireBlanket wrote:If this is what Marc Lasry wants to do, hopefully he's got the self control to let GM Horst make the decision on whether or not it's worth even exploring.

A meddling owner should sell shares & go buy into his hometown Knickerbockers. Don't ruin our franchise again.

Its astonishing to me that either of our owners think they know enough about basketball to make major team decisions. Thats what the gm is for.

Dont underestimate the ego boost from being able to show up at a social function and tell your billionaire friends that you devised the big trade theyve been hearing about on ESPN.