City of Trees wrote:Throw in a 2021 or 22 ATL 2nd and you got a deal.jayu70 wrote:Hawks offer the expiring contract of Evan Turner for Dedmon and Ferrell.
jayu70 wrote:City of Trees wrote:Throw in a 2021 or 22 ATL 2nd and you got a deal.jayu70 wrote:Hawks offer the expiring contract of Evan Turner for Dedmon and Ferrell.
Naah, he wants out, considered an overpay when he signed, now even more so. Kings get salary relief from his contract for next season.
Id like to keep Yogi out of this deal but if he's necessary id probably pull the trigger. Kings should feel good with a redojayu70 wrote:City of Trees wrote:Throw in a 2021 or 22 ATL 2nd and you got a deal.jayu70 wrote:Hawks offer the expiring contract of Evan Turner for Dedmon and Ferrell.
Naah, he wants out, considered an overpay when he signed, now even more so. Kings get salary relief from his contract for next season.
Is Joesph a disaster though? IMO he has done a good job filling in as a starter.dckingsfan wrote:I guess we can say now that the off-season acquisitions of Dedmon, Ariza and Joseph were a disaster. Anything that moves Joseph and Dedmon would be a plus. Ariza is only partially guaranteed next year.
City of Trees wrote:Is Joesph a disaster though? IMO he has done a good job filling in as a starter.dckingsfan wrote:I guess we can say now that the off-season acquisitions of Dedmon, Ariza and Joseph were a disaster. Anything that moves Joseph and Dedmon would be a plus. Ariza is only partially guaranteed next year.
City of Trees wrote:Id like to keep Yogi out of this deal but if he's necessary id probably pull the trigger. Kings should feel good with a redojayu70 wrote:City of Trees wrote:Throw in a 2021 or 22 ATL 2nd and you got a deal.
Naah, he wants out, considered an overpay when he signed, now even more so. Kings get salary relief from his contract for next season.
KF10 wrote:Joseph is a liability on the offensive end. He misses open shots. The guy pounds the ball little too much to my likings.
His defense is solid but doesn’t move the needle or is a game changer there.
Personally, he is overpaid and isn’t worth the contract. It’s a disaster given how this current season is going.
At this point, the Kings should be offloading every large contract they have and tank.
kalenclayton wrote:KF10 wrote:Joseph is a liability on the offensive end. He misses open shots. The guy pounds the ball little too much to my likings.
His defense is solid but doesn’t move the needle or is a game changer there.
Personally, he is overpaid and isn’t worth the contract. It’s a disaster given how this current season is going.
At this point, the Kings should be offloading every large contract they have and tank.
I’ll use the Hield/Dedmon fallacy here: if most of the off-season moves were disasters, then I don’t think CoJo was a disaster. He’s a degree of disaster, but Dedmon is by far the disaster of the offseason. Then it’s Ariza followed by CoJo. Holmes was the best signing we’ve made in possibly the last 10 years when you factor in production vs contract. Plus we got momma Holmes.
I agree that all the signings, sans Richaun, were overpays and we should move them. I just don’t see CoJo as much of a negative. When you need to shut a single player down, CoJo is capable of that. It’s the scheme that he’s not getting (along with everyone else on the team). He is a liability for shooting on offense, but not to the extent of, say, Rondo/MKG/Mbah a Moute. He’s just subpar in that area.
kalenclayton wrote:KF10 wrote:Joseph is a liability on the offensive end. He misses open shots. The guy pounds the ball little too much to my likings.
His defense is solid but doesn’t move the needle or is a game changer there.
Personally, he is overpaid and isn’t worth the contract. It’s a disaster given how this current season is going.
At this point, the Kings should be offloading every large contract they have and tank.
I’ll use the Hield/Dedmon fallacy here: if most of the off-season moves were disasters, then I don’t think CoJo was a disaster. He’s a degree of disaster, but Dedmon is by far the disaster of the offseason. Then it’s Ariza followed by CoJo. Holmes was the best signing we’ve made in possibly the last 10 years when you factor in production vs contract. Plus we got momma Holmes.
I agree that all the signings, sans Richaun, were overpays and we should move them. I just don’t see CoJo as much of a negative. When you need to shut a single player down, CoJo is capable of that. It’s the scheme that he’s not getting (along with everyone else on the team). He is a liability for shooting on offense, but not to the extent of, say, Rondo/MKG/Mbah a Moute. He’s just subpar in that area.
RipPizzaGuy wrote:kalenclayton wrote:KF10 wrote:Joseph is a liability on the offensive end. He misses open shots. The guy pounds the ball little too much to my likings.
His defense is solid but doesn’t move the needle or is a game changer there.
Personally, he is overpaid and isn’t worth the contract. It’s a disaster given how this current season is going.
At this point, the Kings should be offloading every large contract they have and tank.
I’ll use the Hield/Dedmon fallacy here: if most of the off-season moves were disasters, then I don’t think CoJo was a disaster. He’s a degree of disaster, but Dedmon is by far the disaster of the offseason. Then it’s Ariza followed by CoJo. Holmes was the best signing we’ve made in possibly the last 10 years when you factor in production vs contract. Plus we got momma Holmes.
I agree that all the signings, sans Richaun, were overpays and we should move them. I just don’t see CoJo as much of a negative. When you need to shut a single player down, CoJo is capable of that. It’s the scheme that he’s not getting (along with everyone else on the team). He is a liability for shooting on offense, but not to the extent of, say, Rondo/MKG/Mbah a Moute. He’s just subpar in that area.
To me, Joseph was a bigger negative than Dedmon. Dedmon has a skill set that is wanted around the league, I don't think hes going to be that difficult to move. And honestly if it wasn't for Richaun beasting, I think we woulda stuck with him and he would have turned it around.
Joseph is worse than any other contract to me. Hes awful, hes easily one of the worst offensive players in the league and his defense doesn't justify that. Teams basically defend 4v5 everytime hes in the game. You see they sag off all game, then quickly recover if they need to. Yes we hung in while Fox/Bagley missed time, that was because Barnes, Bjelica, Bogdan, and Holmes had amazing Novembers and teams thought we would give up.
Joseph is going to prove to be untradable. Hes going to haunt us for the next 2 years.
kalenclayton wrote:RipPizzaGuy wrote:kalenclayton wrote:I’ll use the Hield/Dedmon fallacy here: if most of the off-season moves were disasters, then I don’t think CoJo was a disaster. He’s a degree of disaster, but Dedmon is by far the disaster of the offseason. Then it’s Ariza followed by CoJo. Holmes was the best signing we’ve made in possibly the last 10 years when you factor in production vs contract. Plus we got momma Holmes.
I agree that all the signings, sans Richaun, were overpays and we should move them. I just don’t see CoJo as much of a negative. When you need to shut a single player down, CoJo is capable of that. It’s the scheme that he’s not getting (along with everyone else on the team). He is a liability for shooting on offense, but not to the extent of, say, Rondo/MKG/Mbah a Moute. He’s just subpar in that area.
To me, Joseph was a bigger negative than Dedmon. Dedmon has a skill set that is wanted around the league, I don't think hes going to be that difficult to move. And honestly if it wasn't for Richaun beasting, I think we woulda stuck with him and he would have turned it around.
Joseph is worse than any other contract to me. Hes awful, hes easily one of the worst offensive players in the league and his defense doesn't justify that. Teams basically defend 4v5 everytime hes in the game. You see they sag off all game, then quickly recover if they need to. Yes we hung in while Fox/Bagley missed time, that was because Barnes, Bjelica, Bogdan, and Holmes had amazing Novembers and teams thought we would give up.
Joseph is going to prove to be untradable. Hes going to haunt us for the next 2 years.
You might be right that if it wasn’t for Holmes, Dedmon wouldn’t have lost his spot. Dedmon was terrible to start the season though. He couldn’t do anything right and was allowed to play through mistakes. I feel like he’s been in the wrong with his comments about not getting minutes. He hasn’t deserved any minutes at all. If he thinks it’s his shot that got him benched, he’s mostly wrong. He was awful all around the board.
I also agree that Joseph will probably be un-tradable until next offseason, but I don’t think that will haunt the team. Teams may sag off of him, but he can do damage if he plays with outside shooters. If the rest of the team can spread the floor, he can surprisingly do work in the low-mid range. The downside comes when you have Holmes and Bagley in the game because CoJo needs that space to operate as well. The fit isn’t great, but it’s not all doom and gloom.
I disagree that CoJo was a worse signing than Dedmon because we are working with hindsight and current observations. At the time of the signings, I was applauding the Dedmon signing and not happy with the Ariza and CoJo signings. Now, Dedmon has leapfrogged them as the worst signing because he simply got payed off the floor. CoJo has been a better player overall than Yogi, which is why he’s being played over him. Dedmon can’t get minutes over Giles.
From an asset standpoint, you are right. Dedmon is still the better signing because some teams can actually use him. He is just a bad fit for the Kings.
kalenclayton wrote:I’ll use the Hield/Dedmon fallacy here: if most of the off-season moves were disasters, then I don’t think CoJo was a disaster. He’s a degree of disaster, but Dedmon is by far the disaster of the offseason. Then it’s Ariza followed by CoJo. Holmes was the best signing we’ve made in possibly the last 10 years when you factor in production vs contract. Plus we got momma Holmes.
I agree that all the signings, sans Richaun, were overpays and we should move them. I just don’t see CoJo as much of a negative. When you need to shut a single player down, CoJo is capable of that. It’s the scheme that he’s not getting (along with everyone else on the team). He is a liability for shooting on offense, but not to the extent of, say, Rondo/MKG/Mbah a Moute. He’s just subpar in that area.
raferfenix wrote:Hey Kings fans, how are you feeling about Bogdan these days?
Zach Lowe recently said on the Woj show that he thinks the Pacers pick the Bucks got for Brogdon will likely be on the market if of interest.
Milwaukee could package that first with DJ Wilson + Sterling Brown + Dragan Bender to make it work contractually.
Would the pick and a few young guys to take fliers on be of interest, or do you see Vlade holding out for more, or resigning Bogdan and moving other salaries if the money is a concern, or what do you think?
). So, they would just be expiring contracts. Basically a low first for Bogdan. BoogieTime wrote:jayu70 wrote:City of Trees wrote:Throw in a 2021 or 22 ATL 2nd and you got a deal.
Naah, he wants out, considered an overpay when he signed, now even more so. Kings get salary relief from his contract for next season.
Deal
jayu70 wrote:BoogieTime wrote:jayu70 wrote:Naah, he wants out, considered an overpay when he signed, now even more so. Kings get salary relief from his contract for next season.
Deal
Rumors around Atlanta is that Hawks aren't interested in bringing back Ded. So I guess, no deal.
I do like OG.LoveMyRaps wrote:City of Trees wrote:Protections or not, the Kings are in no position to trade future 1sts for a 30 year oldLoveMyRaps wrote:
Fair trade? That first round pick would be lottery protected btw. And I very well expect y'all to be a playoff team next season so that first round pick would most likely break off into two second rounders.rental. My counter:
Raps trade
Serge Ibaka
Kings trade
Dedmon
Ariza
2019 2nd
You'll probably say no but this is the kind of deal Vlade should fish for.
Masai & Vlade should meet in the middle - Ibaka for Bjelica + 2021 1st round pick [NO PROTECTIONS]
