GDT: 49ERS VS SEAHAWKS

[dr3am]

Happy for you OG! The nightmare losing streak in Seattle is finally OVER!

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[NinerSickness]

I would've done a shotgun snap and ran sideways & then chucked the ball as far as I could to run the clock out, but that's just me.

[shouldakepowens]

I would've done a shotgun snap and ran sideways & then chucked the ball as far as I could to run the clock out, but that's just me.

The whole time they were talking safety I kept screaming shut up and sneak it. I think that was the right call.

[CrimsonCrew]

I would've done a shotgun snap and ran sideways & then chucked the ball as far as I could to run the clock out, but that's just me.

I was thinking something like that, but it's tough to run sideways that deep on the field. It's too easy for the ends to wall it off and force you into a bad situation. Granted, you don't really have to worry about the safety, but it's still risky. The sneak is pretty safe. I don't have any problem with that play call, it's just what Seattle would have been expecting.

[NinerSickness]

While Seattle will be spending the weekend in Philly, Niners will be relaxing & watching the game at

[Yoshi]

I don't agree with that. Not on our 30.

Think about it. They're likely going to score either way. A quick score is better than a time-consuming score. Plus, they'd probably convert the way the offense has been rolling.

I like the odds of getting 2 yards better than I like the odds of stopping them on defense.

Still say I was right about this from a strategic point of view. Going for it gives the team 2 chances to win it. Punting gives 'em 1, and the defense was playing like crap anyway.

The only way the Niners go for it on 4th down inside of their own 35 is if KS was having a stroke, otherwise you don't go for it that deep in your own territory if you're ahead.

[Yoshi]

Great to finally see Solomon Thomas rushing from the inside. He actually seemed like he was wrecking their plays.

How many plays did he really wreck? Two or three tops? Face it, and although I have a bias against Stanford the dude blows. Yes, his best asset is being put in the inside and he does have a motor, but like AW, he doesn't have the nose for making the big play. Clearly one of the few mistakes Lynch has made on this roster.

[NinerSickness]

The only way the Niners go for it on 4th down inside of their own 35 is if KS was having a stroke, otherwise you don't go for it that deep in your own territory if you're ahead.

Not in the last 2 minutes. The only difference punting it does is run time off the clock, which is advantage Seattle.

Everyone knew the defense wasn't gonna stop them from getting to the red zone. 2 chances of winning it > 1 chance of winning it.

And let's be honest: Shannahan got lucky. If Wilson doesn't overthrow his receiver a play or 2 before, Seattle wins that game. The team literally won by an inch.

[NinerSickness]

Great to finally see Solomon Thomas rushing from the inside. He actually seemed like he was wrecking their plays.

How many plays did he really wreck? Two or three tops? Face it, and although I have a bias against Stanford the dude blows. Yes, his best asset is being put in the inside and he does have a motor, but like AW, he doesn't have the nose for making the big play. Clearly one of the few mistakes Lynch has made on this roster.

I wasn't saying Thomas is a great DT. But in the limited time he played yesterday, he played well. I never wanted him in the draft either...

He's also been rushing from the end a lot since Blair & Dee have been hurt, which makes him look worse. He should rush exclusively from the inside & only play DE on first downs (if that) or on the goal line.

[CrimsonCrew]

The only way the Niners go for it on 4th down inside of their own 35 is if KS was having a stroke, otherwise you don't go for it that deep in your own territory if you're ahead.

Not in the last 2 minutes. The only difference punting it does is run time off the clock, which is advantage Seattle.

Everyone knew the defense wasn't gonna stop them from getting to the red zone. 2 chances of winning it > 1 chance of winning it.

And let's be honest: Shannahan got lucky. If Wilson doesn't overthrow his receiver a play or 2 before, Seattle wins that game. The team literally won by an inch.

The more I've thought about it, the more I think you may be right on this one. The way the D was playing, and with them needing a TD, you could make a fairly strong argument for conserving clock and going for it. Figure there's probably a 70% chance of getting it (that was just a guess, but came across a 2015 article that found 65.7% success since the '98-'99 season on 4th and 1), which doesn't allow you to put the game away, but helps a lot. Especially the way the offense was moving the ball absent 3rd and 17s. In this particular instance, it might very well be the better bet to give yourself more time if they do score. Though if we play out last night's scenario, but with, say, two minutes on the clock, it's pretty dicey. First and ten from the six-inch line and you NEED to get the first down....

Just re-watched the third-down play for my own edification, and it was a long 4th and 1. Much closer to two. Probably too far to sneak it. And as much as I like Shanahan overall as a playcaller, I don't love him to make the right call in this scenario. Probably would have put in Coleman for a dive.... Anyway, still a decent argument for going for it and trying to just beat them outright. That is a definite area where we can improve.

[CrimsonCrew]

Something I missed in the game last night but caught while reviewing that sequence just now: after Garland hit the defensive player late, he's getting up from the ground, and the defender gets on top of him and pushes him back into the ground (well, he tries, because he's a DB). Literally almost leaves his feet leaning in to push Garland's head into the ground. That should have been offsetting.

[arich35]

Something I missed in the game last night but caught while reviewing that sequence just now: after Garland hit the defensive player late, he's getting up from the ground, and the defender gets on top of him and pushes him back into the ground (well, he tries, because he's a DB). Literally almost leaves his feet leaning in to push Garland's head into the ground. That should have been offsetting.

I read a quote that Garland saw the flag and just assumed it was the defender pushing is head into the ground.

[CrimsonCrew]

I was driving into work and there was a lot of talk about the no-call on Warner. I just find it incredibly rich that there's literally no discussion of this shove on Garland. I captured a still of it, which I'm trying to paste in here, but I can't figure it out. I'll keep working at it.

Anyway, it reminds me a bit (though not nearly as egregious) of the offsetting penalties in the SB with Baltimore when Cary Williams punched Anthony Davis in the ribs repeatedly while he was down with a Raven on top of him, and then full-on two-hand-shoved an official while looking right at him and didn't even draw a penalty, much less get ejected (compared to Justin Smith, who got ejected earlier that year or the year before for pushing an official's hand off of him while looking the other way). There was talk about the no-call on Crabtree, which I actually thought was the right call. But letting Williams stay in the game, absent even a penalty, was absurd.

[CrimsonCrew]

Here's the shove I'm talking about:

https://deadspin.com/cary-williams-shoved-an-official-and-got-away-with-it-5981300

And a longer video with the rib/gut punches:

https://nesn.com/2013/02/ravens-cary-williams-shoves-official-during-first-half-skirmish-in-super-bowl-video/

[CrimsonCrew]

Was able to create a link, anyway:

https://www.pastepic.xyz/image/garland-roughness.PpqQp

[CrimsonCrew]

Yes, I realize I'm obsessing about this a bit. But according to NFL rulebook Section 4, Article 9, I believe there should have been a dead ball foul against Garland, and then a "foul between downs" against the Seattle DB. A foul between downs does not offset, so there should have been a 15-yard penalty against Garland resulting in 3rd and 17, followed by a 15-yard penalty on the DB and an automatic first down, resulting in a first-and-ten at the spot of the second-and-seven play.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B6wA1OWBsac/?igshid=d0ww5gcvhhhi

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

Yes, I realize I'm obsessing about this a bit. But according to NFL rulebook Section 4, Article 9, I believe there should have been a dead ball foul against Garland, and then a "foul between downs" against the Seattle DB. A foul between downs does not offset, so there should have been a 15-yard penalty against Garland resulting in 3rd and 17, followed by a 15-yard penalty on the DB and an automatic first down, resulting in a first-and-ten at the spot of the second-and-seven play.

What did the DB do to deserve a 15 yard penalty?

[CrimsonCrew]

Yes, I realize I'm obsessing about this a bit. But according to NFL rulebook Section 4, Article 9, I believe there should have been a dead ball foul against Garland, and then a "foul between downs" against the Seattle DB. A foul between downs does not offset, so there should have been a 15-yard penalty against Garland resulting in 3rd and 17, followed by a 15-yard penalty on the DB and an automatic first down, resulting in a first-and-ten at the spot of the second-and-seven play.

What did the DB do to deserve a 15 yard penalty?

https://www.pastepic.xyz/image/garland-roughness.PpqQp

That's just a still, but as Garland was getting up, the DB went over, and leaned all his body weight into Garland's head, pushing him back down.

[NinerSickness]

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