Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII

[WallToWall]

Anyone have any interest in Westbrook? He is 31 yo, and has a huge contract. We could have Mahinmi and Wall to trade...
A pairing of Westbrook with Beal may be interesting.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7262356
Straight up Wall for Westbrook seems to work.


https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7262359
Wall + IT + Pasecniks for Westbrook + Clark + Hartenstein

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7262363
Cant happen till mid March. Wall + Mahinmi for Wesstbrook + Gordon

[nate33]

Anyone have any interest in Westbrook? He is 31 yo, and has a huge contract. We could have Mahinmi and Wall to trade...
A pairing of Westbrook with Beal may be interesting.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7262356
Straight up Wall for Westbrook seems to work.


https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7262359
Wall + IT + Pasecniks for Westbrook + Clark + Hartenstein

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7262363
Cant happen till mid March. Wall + Mahinmi for Wesstbrook + Gordon

Nope. Don't want Westbrook.

If he can't make things work in Houston's 5-out offense, then he won't make things work here. The worst kind of player to have if you are a rebuilding team is a former star who doesn't recognize he is no longer a star.

It's possible that John Wall has the same problem, but we don't know that yet. He might get back close to 100% and still be a star. Or he might adapt his game to compensate for his decline in athleticism the way Jason Kidd did. But even if Wall does neither, he's still a pass first PG and players would rather play with a guy like that than Westbrook.

[nate33]

As we get closer to the trade deadline, I'd be happy if we could get 2nd rounders for:
Mahinmi
McRae
Miles
IT

Lets say we get 3 or 4 second round picks for those players. If we package up all/some of our 2nd round picks, we could move up to a mid 1st round pick. Maybe we can strike gold there and then.

Not happening.

Certainly Mahinmi won't yield us a 2nd round pick - not unless we are taking on a 2021 contract. Miles is out for the season and not going to get us anything either. I don't think anybody will sacrifice any value for IT.

The only guy that might be worth something is McRae. A team short on wings and shot creators could actually use a guy like McRae off the bench. He won't return much, but a late 2nd is possible.

[payitforward]

Agree with nate. & I don't think anyone is likely to trade for McRae either.

IT has said that he's not back to himself yet after 2 years off; he pointed to February as when he thought he'd be better. I guess, in that sense, there's a slight likelihood that if he does improve before the deadline that maybe we'll get something for him. Wouldn't count on it, however.

[gambitx777]

Ian is playing pretty good ball right now. Maybe we can flip him and it or McRae as filler for a slightly bigger expiring contract and a late second. When all our guys get back healthy .

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[payitforward]

That's kinda abstract, gamby.... Who can you think of that has that "slightly bigger expiring contract" & get enough benefit from Ian to give up a R2 pick in the deal? I can't come up with a trade partner for that deal.

[gambitx777]

Portland with Kent bazamore . Maybe the sun's with Tyler Johnson. So bazamore and a 2022 second for Ian and IT or Tylor Johnson and a 2022 second for Ian and it.

That's kinda abstract, gamby.... Who can you think of that has that "slightly bigger expiring contract" & get enough benefit from Ian to give up a R2 pick in the deal? I can't come up with a trade partner for that deal.

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[wall_glizzy]

That's kinda abstract, gamby.... Who can you think of that has that "slightly bigger expiring contract" & get enough benefit from Ian to give up a R2 pick in the deal? I can't come up with a trade partner for that deal.

Yeah, what's the profile here? Teams with (a) marginal playoff chances that (b) have abysmal frontcourt depth and (c) have some huge net-negative contract to move? I can think of a few that check one or two boxes (Bulls - a and b, Hawks - b and c), but none that hit all three.

I'm also not sure that swapping expirings is super common. Besides a couple amusing change-of-scenery deals (Turner for Bazemore, Mozgov for Biyombo), generally we'd be trading our expirings for similarly-priced contracts that come with an extra year or two. The value would be derived from relieving the team of salary for the next offseason, but unfortunately it doesn't look like anyone cares too much about 2020 offseason cap space at the moment. Whatever team we'd be dealing with would have to see so much value in Ian and IT or McRae or whoever (or, I guess, in dumping some expensive and discontented benchwarmer) that it justified costing them a roster spot and including some sort of asset incentive for the Wizards. This seems enormously unlikely.

[nate33]

Portland with Kent bazamore . Maybe the sun's with Tyler Johnson. So bazamore and a 2022 second for Ian and IT or Tylor Johnson and a 2022 second for Ian and it.

That's kinda abstract, gamby.... Who can you think of that has that "slightly bigger expiring contract" & get enough benefit from Ian to give up a R2 pick in the deal? I can't come up with a trade partner for that deal.

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The Blazers have Whiteside and will eventually have Nurkic and Collins back. Meanwhile, they have very few true wing-sized players. Why would they trade their best wing for a 3rd/4th center?

The Suns have Baynes and last year's #1 overall pick at center. Why would they want Mahinmi?

[pcbothwel]

Seems like we have no real trade prospects outside of a Min player (IT or McRae) getting moved for a 2nd in two years.
We are right up against the tax and cant add salary.
We cant add salary if we want to add a top 6 pick, resign Bertans, use the Full MLE, and use the Bi-annual (GP2)


BTW. I got to say, this year is turning out as well as it could in this respect.
We wanted to tank/be bad enough to get a high pick, but we also wanted our future prospects (Walls health and young players) to show optimism.
- We started out quite well with our young players looking like they belong.
- Our young guys get hurt and we allow them to rest while we lose games.
- End of the year, young guys get healthy and Wall looks healthy enough going into the summer to keep us excited... but we get a top 6 pick

[gambitx777]

Portland with Kent bazamore . Maybe the sun's with Tyler Johnson. So bazamore and a 2022 second for Ian and IT or Tylor Johnson and a 2022 second for Ian and it.

That's kinda abstract, gamby.... Who can you think of that has that "slightly bigger expiring contract" & get enough benefit from Ian to give up a R2 pick in the deal? I can't come up with a trade partner for that deal.

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The Blazers have Whiteside and will eventually have Nurkic and Collins back. Meanwhile, they have very few true wing-sized players. Why would they trade their best wing for a 3rd/4th center?

The Suns have Baynes and last year's #1 overall pick at center. Why would they want Mahinmi?

Nurkic may or may not be back this year, targeting Feb return . But he has health issues and white side kisses games too and Collins is still more of a of PF than a center. Maybe do McRae and Ian and they can cut toliver ? Idk just a thought I guess. The sun's isn't bynes hurt? Maybe not

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[Jimmy Recard]

Is Steven Adams still available? Would be a great big for Beal and Wall to work with. Basically a better, tougher version or Gortat. And at only 26, fits their timeline as well.

Bryant/Mahinmi for Adams and future OKC first protected or one of Clippers firsts?

[gambitx777]

I don't think OKC is going to let him go u less they get a pick back, let alone give one up.
Bui would Consider this as a straight swap.
Adams for Ian and Bryant. But of course i would love to get a pick I just can't see It happening.

Is Steven Adams still available? Would be a great big for Beal and Wall to work with. Basically a better, tougher version or Gortat. And at only 26, fits their timeline as well.

Bryant/Mahinmi for Adams and future OKC first protected or one of Clippers firsts?

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[pcbothwel]

I don't think OKC is going to let him go u less they get a pick back, let alone give one up.
Bui would Consider this as a straight swap.
Adams for Ian and Bryant. But of course i would love to get a pick I just can't see It happening.

Is Steven Adams still available? Would be a great big for Beal and Wall to work with. Basically a better, tougher version or Gortat. And at only 26, fits their timeline as well.

Bryant/Mahinmi for Adams and future OKC first protected or one of Clippers firsts?

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Why would you pay 20M per year for the small upgrade from Bryant to Adams?!?

[nate33]

I don't think OKC is going to let him go u less they get a pick back, let alone give one up.
Bui would Consider this as a straight swap.
Adams for Ian and Bryant. But of course i would love to get a pick I just can't see It happening.

Is Steven Adams still available? Would be a great big for Beal and Wall to work with. Basically a better, tougher version or Gortat. And at only 26, fits their timeline as well.

Bryant/Mahinmi for Adams and future OKC first protected or one of Clippers firsts?

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Why would you pay 20M per year for the small upgrade from Bryant to Adams?!?

Agreed.

I get the goal of upgrading our frontcourt defense. But Adams isn't the way to go. He seems to have lost a step defensively and is no longer a positive value contract. The guy to go after is Capela. He's a year younger, has 5000 fewer career minutes played, he's $10M cheaper, signed longer, and is a more switchable defender who would fit into our defensive scheme better.

[Ruzious]

I don't think OKC is going to let him go u less they get a pick back, let alone give one up.
Bui would Consider this as a straight swap.
Adams for Ian and Bryant. But of course i would love to get a pick I just can't see It happening.

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Why would you pay 20M per year for the small upgrade from Bryant to Adams?!?

Agreed.

I get the goal of upgrading our frontcourt defense. But Adams isn't the way to go. He seems to have lost a step defensively and is no longer a positive value contract. The guy to go after is Capela. He's a year younger, has 5000 fewer career minutes played, he's $10M cheaper, signed longer, and is a more switchable defender who would fit into our defensive scheme better.

Something to keep an eye on - Towns has indicated unhappiness with Minnesota - and he's signed through 23/24. His stats are MVP-like - with a PER over 28, a ridiculous TS% helped by hitting over 41% of his 3's, he even excels defensively with a 1.7 DBPM, and he's developed into a good passer. There seems to be doubts that he's a winner, but it's more that his teammates (especially Wiggins) have been overrated. We have Beal, we have 2 young centers, and we have a high pick - so we have trade ammunition. Just sayin. And being from Kentucky, he'd probably be excited to play with Wall. Maybe that trade would be putting Beal in a tough place, but I think he's a big fan of Bryant - so include Bryant in the deal. Wiggins is showing signs of improvement.

[pcbothwel]

Why would you pay 20M per year for the small upgrade from Bryant to Adams?!?

Agreed.

I get the goal of upgrading our frontcourt defense. But Adams isn't the way to go. He seems to have lost a step defensively and is no longer a positive value contract. The guy to go after is Capela. He's a year younger, has 5000 fewer career minutes played, he's $10M cheaper, signed longer, and is a more switchable defender who would fit into our defensive scheme better.

Something to keep an eye on - Towns has indicated unhappiness with Minnesota - and he's signed through 23/24. His stats are MVP-like - with a PER over 28, a ridiculous TS% helped by hitting over 41% of his 3's, he even excels defensively with a 1.7 DBPM, and he's developed into a good passer. There seems to be doubts that he's a winner, but it's more that his teammates (especially Wiggins) have been overrated. We have Beal, we have 2 young centers, and we have a high pick - so we have trade ammunition. Just sayin. And being from Kentucky, he'd probably be excited to play with Wall. Maybe that trade would be putting Beal in a tough place, but I think he's a big fan of Bryant - so include Bryant in the deal. Wiggins is showing signs of improvement.

No interest in moving Beal for Towns. Lateral move at best that lowers team morale/work ethic... But what about:
Wall, Bryant, Rui, Top 3 2020 pick, Unprotected 2022 pick
for
KAT & Covington

This offseason we make the trade and keep cap hold on Bertans & McCrae along with 13.5M in cap room to sign FA PG (Dragic or Van Fleet)

Van Fleet / Ish / GP2
Beal / Brown / Matthews
Covington / Bonga / Brown
Bertans
KAT / Wagner


That said, Id be much more interested in what a team will pay to get Ball/Wiseman/Hampton in the top 3 should we get that pick.

[Ruzious]

Agreed.

I get the goal of upgrading our frontcourt defense. But Adams isn't the way to go. He seems to have lost a step defensively and is no longer a positive value contract. The guy to go after is Capela. He's a year younger, has 5000 fewer career minutes played, he's $10M cheaper, signed longer, and is a more switchable defender who would fit into our defensive scheme better.

Something to keep an eye on - Towns has indicated unhappiness with Minnesota - and he's signed through 23/24. His stats are MVP-like - with a PER over 28, a ridiculous TS% helped by hitting over 41% of his 3's, he even excels defensively with a 1.7 DBPM, and he's developed into a good passer. There seems to be doubts that he's a winner, but it's more that his teammates (especially Wiggins) have been overrated. We have Beal, we have 2 young centers, and we have a high pick - so we have trade ammunition. Just sayin. And being from Kentucky, he'd probably be excited to play with Wall. Maybe that trade would be putting Beal in a tough place, but I think he's a big fan of Bryant - so include Bryant in the deal. Wiggins is showing signs of improvement.

No interest in moving Beal for Towns. Lateral move at best that lowers team morale/work ethic... But what about:
Wall, Bryant, Rui, Top 3 2020 pick, Unprotected 2022 pick
for
KAT & Covington

This offseason we make the trade and keep cap hold on Bertans & McCrae along with 13.5M in cap room to sign FA PG (Dragic or Van Fleet)

Van Fleet / Ish / GP2
Beal / Brown / Matthews
Covington / Bonga / Brown
Bertans
KAT / Wagner


That said, Id be much more interested in what a team will pay to get Ball/Wiseman/Hampton in the top 3 should we get that pick.

I'd do that, but I can't see Minny being interested in taking on Wall's contract.

Statistically, Beal isn't even close to KAT.

[payitforward]

I get the goal of upgrading our frontcourt defense. But Adams isn't the way to go. He seems to have lost a step defensively and is no longer a positive value contract. The guy to go after is Capela. He's a year younger, has 5000 fewer career minutes played, he's $10M cheaper, signed longer, and is a more switchable defender who would fit into our defensive scheme better.

Overall, trades serve one or more purposes: a) increasing future-oriented assets, b) strengthening present contention for something, or c) achieving roster balance. The last two are irrelevant for this franchise at this time.

Increasing future-oriented assets is critical, but we will have to rely on getting lucky (as we did with the Lakers & Spurs last Summer). Otherwise the only thing we have to trade is exactly what we need more of -- those "future-oriented assets."

Obviously, we can also do marginal opportunistic deals at the deadline -- i.e. if we could lay off IT for a R2 pick or somehow get something for expiring players we might not be able to re-sign (or don't want to).

Otherwise... forget it. E.g., we'd have to be nuts to trade Bryant. He was absolutely tremendous last year, got off to a slow start this year, then began moving his numbers back up before getting hurt. He has a substantial upside & his contract is a big-time bargain. And, a team in our condition has no business paying market value for a guy like Capela who's at the peak of his career, is signed for a ton of money, isn't going to make us a contender, & will cost future assets to acquire.

It will take years for this franchise to recover from the damage Ernie caused. & that's assuming John Wall returns as an outstanding player -- which we all hope will happen but can't assume as inevitable.

[payitforward]

Something to keep an eye on - Towns has indicated unhappiness with Minnesota - and he's signed through 23/24. His stats are MVP-like - with a PER over 28, a ridiculous TS% helped by hitting over 41% of his 3's, he even excels defensively with a 1.7 DBPM, and he's developed into a good passer. There seems to be doubts that he's a winner, but it's more that his teammates (especially Wiggins) have been overrated. We have Beal, we have 2 young centers, and we have a high pick - so we have trade ammunition. Just sayin. And being from Kentucky, he'd probably be excited to play with Wall. Maybe that trade would be putting Beal in a tough place, but I think he's a big fan of Bryant - so include Bryant in the deal. Wiggins is showing signs of improvement.

No interest in moving Beal for Towns. Lateral move at best...

I don't know how you could possibly believe that.

...But what about:
Wall, Bryant, Rui, Top 3 2020 pick, Unprotected 2022 pick
for
KAT & Covington

This offseason we make the trade and keep cap hold on Bertans & McCrae along with 13.5M in cap room to sign FA PG (Dragic or Van Fleet)

Van Fleet / Ish / GP2
Beal / Brown / Matthews
Covington / Bonga / Brown
Bertans
KAT / Wagner


That said, Id be much more interested in what a team will pay to get Ball/Wiseman/Hampton in the top 3 should we get that pick.

Wow.... You're willing to completely strip all our future assets to get KAT, but no way will you trade Brad Beal. Plus what you'd really like, if we have a top 3 pick, is turn our back on that future value in order to... what?

I don't understand your thinking in this post at all. Brad is terrific, of course! But are you sure you're not over-valuing him? &, are you really willing to give up that many future assets for a team that's, essentially, Beal, KAT & nobody else?

edit: in truth, these are wild ideas & imaginative. So they're useful stabs at how to make big changes when our team is so hampered.