Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[Wes-J]

You dont trade for KAT if it includes tatum or brown imo.

You need to build complete teams to win, and that trio, all very young, playing for 10 years together, would be deadly

I’ll drive Jaylen to the airport and pack his bags if we get kat and don’t have to include Tatum

I'd drive either one of Tatum or Brown for a guaranteed 4 more years of an ESTABLISHED all-NBA caliber center such as KAT.

If you say no, you're going against all logic you had mentioned prior. There are no guarantees with Tatum and quite frankly I don't think Tatum while very good, will come close to the caliber player that KAT is now. Talking about a center that can go 40/20 on any given night. Those don't grow on trees.

Remember KAT is 24. No reason why he can't get better too.

[Jerboski]

I see no way you are getting KAT without Tatum in the deal, minny has no reason to rush and will find better deals if we dont include Tatum

[djFan71]

Bulk co-sign of all SWC and Comedian posts on KAT.

[Bill Bradley]

I may be in the minority, but I trade Tatum before Brown. I just think that line-up without Brown and probably without Smart if he's included would be too soft and imbalanced.

I take Kemba-Brown-Hayward-Williams-Towns over Kemba-Hayward-Tatum-Williams-Towns any day, but I'm higher on Brown than most on this board.

[5InOfLouisville]

I may be in the minority, but I trade Tatum before Brown. I just think that line-up without Brown and probably without Smart if he's included would be too soft and imbalanced.

I take Kemba-Brown-Hayward-Williams-Towns over Kemba-Hayward-Tatum-Williams-Towns any day, but I'm higher on Brown than most on this board.

This brown/tatum sophies choice is hard on me emotionally, but if forced im still going tatum. I think he has the elite upside of a deadly offensive player who can get his shot anywhere and i love the way he affects games on d.

BUT, i dont think your take is crazy at all. I can see the argument, and JB keeps adding new things and improving his weaknesses at a rapid pace.

Hes ahead of where i thought be would be at this point, is more explosive than tatum and has been unguardable in stretches(not that tatum hasnt). I think hes been more consistent than jt, but then i think he is asked to do a bit less

Im looking at ceilings, but right now, its even closer. I put their offensive games neck and neck, with an edge to tatum on defense

Either way, ive got my green glasses on and am happy to keep them both for a long time.

But, logically, KAT is better than both(although im not mad at you if you think otherwise). I think you have to trade one, but both would be steep

[MagicBagley18]

You dont trade for KAT if it includes tatum or brown imo.

You need to build complete teams to win, and that trio, all very young, playing for 10 years together, would be deadly

I’ll drive Jaylen to the airport and pack his bags if we get kat and don’t have to include Tatum

I'd drive either one of Tatum or Brown for a guaranteed 4 more years of an ESTABLISHED all-NBA caliber center such as KAT.

If you say no, you're going against all logic you had mentioned prior. There are no guarantees with Tatum and quite frankly I don't think Tatum while very good, will come close to the caliber player that KAT is now. Talking about a center that can go 40/20 on any given night. Those don't grow on trees.

Remember KAT is 24. No reason why he can't get better too.

I don’t think kat is top 5 or top 10 right now at all ...so I’ve been consistent that I would only trade Tatum for bonafide guys in the top 5,6, or even 7 and in fact I said I most likely wouldn’t even trade him for a fringe guy just in or outside the top 10. (Someone who is top 10 subjectively).

While there never any guarantees- on that you are correct the point is to pair Tatum with towns and win rings. Tatum has top 10 potential, kat has top 10 potential- brown doesn’t. U keep Tatum. U trade brown all day everyday.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I’ll drive Jaylen to the airport and pack his bags if we get kat and don’t have to include Tatum

I'd drive either one of Tatum or Brown for a guaranteed 4 more years of an ESTABLISHED all-NBA caliber center such as KAT.

If you say no, you're going against all logic you had mentioned prior. There are no guarantees with Tatum and quite frankly I don't think Tatum while very good, will come close to the caliber player that KAT is now. Talking about a center that can go 40/20 on any given night. Those don't grow on trees.

Remember KAT is 24. No reason why he can't get better too.

I don’t think kat is top 5 or top 10 right now at all ...so I’ve been consistent that I would only trade Tatum for bonafide guys in the top 5,6, or even 7 and in fact I said I most likely wouldn’t even trade him for a fringe guy just in or outside the top 10. (Someone who is top 10 subjectively).

While there never any guarantees- on that you are correct the point is to pair Tatum with towns and win rings. Tatum has top 10 potential, kat has top 10 potential- brown doesn’t. U keep Tatum. U trade brown all day everyday.

Yah, KAT puts up stats, but he doesn't play defense and is a big reason for why Minny doesnt win. Im optimistic he can grow in a different environment but its not a given at all.

Hes a top 20 player and Tatum really isnt far off. I’m not trading Tatum and filler for KAT.

[MagicBagley18]

I'd drive either one of Tatum or Brown for a guaranteed 4 more years of an ESTABLISHED all-NBA caliber center such as KAT.

If you say no, you're going against all logic you had mentioned prior. There are no guarantees with Tatum and quite frankly I don't think Tatum while very good, will come close to the caliber player that KAT is now. Talking about a center that can go 40/20 on any given night. Those don't grow on trees.

Remember KAT is 24. No reason why he can't get better too.

I don’t think kat is top 5 or top 10 right now at all ...so I’ve been consistent that I would only trade Tatum for bonafide guys in the top 5,6, or even 7 and in fact I said I most likely wouldn’t even trade him for a fringe guy just in or outside the top 10. (Someone who is top 10 subjectively).

While there never any guarantees- on that you are correct the point is to pair Tatum with towns and win rings. Tatum has top 10 potential, kat has top 10 potential- brown doesn’t. U keep Tatum. U trade brown all day everyday.

Yah, KAT puts up stats, but he doesn't play defense and is a big reason for why Minny doesnt win. Im optimistic he can grow in a different environment but its not a given at all.

Hes a top 20 player and Tatum really isnt far off. I’m not trading Tatum and filler for KAT.

Exactly. He is however exactly what you trade brown for. I think the disconnect here is that people think brown and Tatum = same trade value. Not close. Even If you think brown is outplaying Tatum this year (I don’t) I think the jump Tatum is about to take next season is being dismissed.

[5InOfLouisville]

I'd drive either one of Tatum or Brown for a guaranteed 4 more years of an ESTABLISHED all-NBA caliber center such as KAT.

If you say no, you're going against all logic you had mentioned prior. There are no guarantees with Tatum and quite frankly I don't think Tatum while very good, will come close to the caliber player that KAT is now. Talking about a center that can go 40/20 on any given night. Those don't grow on trees.

Remember KAT is 24. No reason why he can't get better too.

I don’t think kat is top 5 or top 10 right now at all ...so I’ve been consistent that I would only trade Tatum for bonafide guys in the top 5,6, or even 7 and in fact I said I most likely wouldn’t even trade him for a fringe guy just in or outside the top 10. (Someone who is top 10 subjectively).

While there never any guarantees- on that you are correct the point is to pair Tatum with towns and win rings. Tatum has top 10 potential, kat has top 10 potential- brown doesn’t. U keep Tatum. U trade brown all day everyday.

Yah, KAT puts up stats, but he doesn't play defense and is a big reason for why Minny doesnt win. Im optimistic he can grow in a different environment but its not a given at all.

Hes a top 20 player and Tatum really isnt far off. I’m not trading Tatum and filler for KAT.

So remember, i agree with you both about tatum being better than brown, both short and long term...BUT why are we so sure brown has no chance of ever being better?

Maybe im 90% in on tatum always being better..but a 10% chance is still significant...

To answer my question, i think tatum is just smoother and longer and i think theres a good chance of him being able to create his own looks with ease for along time in this league. Theres an effortless appearance about his game you see in superstars. I think he sees the floor a bit better as well. He needs to get stronger and more consistent, but hes only 17 so i like his odds.
I also think he can be a really special team defender. He sees the floor really well on that end too, and his anticipation is impressive

But, im learning that it might be unwise to cap jb’s potential at this point. Hes adding new pieces and improving weaknesses with rapidity.

Again, i agree with you guys.

But is it really a nobrainer? Maybe it is and i like to fence sit, but im just not 100%

[SmartWentCrazy]

I don’t think kat is top 5 or top 10 right now at all ...so I’ve been consistent that I would only trade Tatum for bonafide guys in the top 5,6, or even 7 and in fact I said I most likely wouldn’t even trade him for a fringe guy just in or outside the top 10. (Someone who is top 10 subjectively).

While there never any guarantees- on that you are correct the point is to pair Tatum with towns and win rings. Tatum has top 10 potential, kat has top 10 potential- brown doesn’t. U keep Tatum. U trade brown all day everyday.

Yah, KAT puts up stats, but he doesn't play defense and is a big reason for why Minny doesnt win. Im optimistic he can grow in a different environment but its not a given at all.

Hes a top 20 player and Tatum really isnt far off. I’m not trading Tatum and filler for KAT.

So remember, i agree with you both about tatum being better than brown, both short and long term...BUT why are we so sure brown has no chance of ever being better?

Maybe im 90% in on tatum always being better..but a 10% chance is still significant...

To answer my question, i think tatum is just smoother and longer and i think theres a good chance of him being able to create his own looks with ease for along time in this league. Theres an effortless appearance about his game you see in superstars. I think he sees the floor a bit better as well. He needs to get stronger and more consistent, but hes only 17 so i like his odds.
I also think he can be a really special team defender. He sees the floor really well on that end too, and his anticipation is impressive

But, im learning that it might be unwise to cap jb’s potential at this point. Hes adding new pieces and improving weaknesses with rapidity.

Again, i agree with you guys.

But is it really a nobrainer? Maybe it is and i like to fence sit, but im just not 100%

Id peg it at the same 90-10 split, meaning I have it 9x more likely that Tatum end up the better player. Sure, its possible Brown ends up better, but I’d roll with the 9x favorite every time and trust the math.

In general, I have Tatum above Brown because he’s younger, better currently and shown an upward growth trajectory as well. The team also generally falls off a cliff performance wise when he sits.

[MagicBagley18]

I don’t think kat is top 5 or top 10 right now at all ...so I’ve been consistent that I would only trade Tatum for bonafide guys in the top 5,6, or even 7 and in fact I said I most likely wouldn’t even trade him for a fringe guy just in or outside the top 10. (Someone who is top 10 subjectively).

While there never any guarantees- on that you are correct the point is to pair Tatum with towns and win rings. Tatum has top 10 potential, kat has top 10 potential- brown doesn’t. U keep Tatum. U trade brown all day everyday.

Yah, KAT puts up stats, but he doesn't play defense and is a big reason for why Minny doesnt win. Im optimistic he can grow in a different environment but its not a given at all.

Hes a top 20 player and Tatum really isnt far off. I’m not trading Tatum and filler for KAT.

So remember, i agree with you both about tatum being better than brown, both short and long term...BUT why are we so sure brown has no chance of ever being better?

Maybe im 90% in on tatum always being better..but a 10% chance is still significant...

To answer my question, i think tatum is just smoother and longer and i think theres a good chance of him being able to create his own looks with ease for along time in this league. Theres an effortless appearance about his game you see in superstars. I think he sees the floor a bit better as well. He needs to get stronger and more consistent, but hes only 17 so i like his odds.
I also think he can be a really special team defender. He sees the floor really well on that end too, and his anticipation is impressive

But, im learning that it might be unwise to cap jb’s potential at this point. Hes adding new pieces and improving weaknesses with rapidity.

Again, i agree with you guys.

But is it really a nobrainer? Maybe it is and i like to fence sit, but im just not 100%

For starters- I’m not sure. I can’t be. It’s just my opinion. I agree with you on Tatum and his effortless play but also he has nuanced offensive moves and footwork you typically don’t see out of a player as young as him but more so veterans. He has this now in his 3rd year and he hits a defender with the jab or the step back and it’s already deadly and will only improve. He has a confidence in his game - where he feels he can get anywhere on the court when he wants. I like his length and his attention to detail on the defensive end and I think he has a calmness about him that you see in superstar players.

I think even his early season fg% which was terrible near the rim was a good sign, because it showed he can get to the rim anytime he wants and eventually those missed bunnies will even out. They already have started to. I love that in an off season he paid attention to detail and eliminated the mid range significantly from his shot selectio and did so in year 3 after a down year.

I love that he’s now adding that post up fade-away shot against smaller opponents to his game. Overall I think his game doesn’t rely on out muscling smaller or less talented opponents like browns does and I think Tatum’s game relies much less on athleticism than browns which bodes well for his projection long term. I also think he has a smoother and more natural 3 point shot.

It also doesn’t hurt that already this year he’s been keyed in on defensively by the other teams coach much more than brown and in past years. Just think he’s a stud by all these factors and lastly just the eye test.

[Andrew McCeltic]

The KAT angle would be, can you get enough in moving Hayward somewhere to swing Towns our way?

E.g. Gordon to Orlando, Mo Bamba, Ross, Langford, Kanter, Edwards to MIN, KAT to Boston

Also, could Rob Williams and KAT play side by side? Towns is a superstar scorer, but he’s a long way from being a two-way player and might never be one.

[Wes-J]

I’ll drive Jaylen to the airport and pack his bags if we get kat and don’t have to include Tatum

I'd drive either one of Tatum or Brown for a guaranteed 4 more years of an ESTABLISHED all-NBA caliber center such as KAT.

If you say no, you're going against all logic you had mentioned prior. There are no guarantees with Tatum and quite frankly I don't think Tatum while very good, will come close to the caliber player that KAT is now. Talking about a center that can go 40/20 on any given night. Those don't grow on trees.

Remember KAT is 24. No reason why he can't get better too.

I don’t think kat is top 5 or top 10 right now at all ...so I’ve been consistent that I would only trade Tatum for bonafide guys in the top 5,6, or even 7 and in fact I said I most likely wouldn’t even trade him for a fringe guy just in or outside the top 10. (Someone who is top 10 subjectively).

While there never any guarantees- on that you are correct the point is to pair Tatum with towns and win rings. Tatum has top 10 potential, kat has top 10 potential- brown doesn’t. U keep Tatum. U trade brown all day everyday.

Well there's not a gm in the league trading their top 5-7 player for Tatum, sorry no way. I couldn't even get Doncic for Tatum and multiple picks including the Memphis.

NOLA wasn't moving AD to us without Tatum, Brown, picks, and filler.

We just have to agree to disagree on the evaluation of Tatum. You've got him compared to George and even he although great, is a fringe top 10 guy. You're basically stating Tatum's gonna be better than George, I mean, to reach top 10 status. I don't believe Tatum will ever reach that level, just my opinion.

[Wes-J]

I'd drive either one of Tatum or Brown for a guaranteed 4 more years of an ESTABLISHED all-NBA caliber center such as KAT.

If you say no, you're going against all logic you had mentioned prior. There are no guarantees with Tatum and quite frankly I don't think Tatum while very good, will come close to the caliber player that KAT is now. Talking about a center that can go 40/20 on any given night. Those don't grow on trees.

Remember KAT is 24. No reason why he can't get better too.

I don’t think kat is top 5 or top 10 right now at all ...so I’ve been consistent that I would only trade Tatum for bonafide guys in the top 5,6, or even 7 and in fact I said I most likely wouldn’t even trade him for a fringe guy just in or outside the top 10. (Someone who is top 10 subjectively).

While there never any guarantees- on that you are correct the point is to pair Tatum with towns and win rings. Tatum has top 10 potential, kat has top 10 potential- brown doesn’t. U keep Tatum. U trade brown all day everyday.

Yah, KAT puts up stats, but he doesn't play defense and is a big reason for why Minny doesnt win. Im optimistic he can grow in a different environment but its not a given at all.

Hes a top 20 player and Tatum really isnt far off. I’m not trading Tatum and filler for KAT.

Wouldn't blame KAT for Minny's woes. He's a sensational talent that would be scary in a different environment like ours.

[MagicBagley18]

I'd drive either one of Tatum or Brown for a guaranteed 4 more years of an ESTABLISHED all-NBA caliber center such as KAT.

If you say no, you're going against all logic you had mentioned prior. There are no guarantees with Tatum and quite frankly I don't think Tatum while very good, will come close to the caliber player that KAT is now. Talking about a center that can go 40/20 on any given night. Those don't grow on trees.

Remember KAT is 24. No reason why he can't get better too.

I don’t think kat is top 5 or top 10 right now at all ...so I’ve been consistent that I would only trade Tatum for bonafide guys in the top 5,6, or even 7 and in fact I said I most likely wouldn’t even trade him for a fringe guy just in or outside the top 10. (Someone who is top 10 subjectively).

While there never any guarantees- on that you are correct the point is to pair Tatum with towns and win rings. Tatum has top 10 potential, kat has top 10 potential- brown doesn’t. U keep Tatum. U trade brown all day everyday.

Well there's not a gm in the league trading their top 5-7 player for Tatum, sorry no way. I couldn't even get Doncic for Tatum and multiple picks including the Memphis.

NOLA wasn't moving AD to us without Tatum, Brown, picks, and filler.

We just have to agree to disagree on the evaluation of Tatum. You've got him compared to George and even he although great, is a fringe top 10 guy. You're basically stating Tatum's gonna be better than George, I mean, to reach top 10 status. I don't believe Tatum will ever reach that level, just my opinion.

Nola wasn’t moving us AD without Tatum- you’re sentenced could have ended there. There’s a reason for that. Gm’s also aren’t actively shopping top 7 players unless they have to in general so there’s that. Pg last season was an mvp and easily top 10.

[sam_I_am]

I don’t think kat is top 5 or top 10 right now at all ...so I’ve been consistent that I would only trade Tatum for bonafide guys in the top 5,6, or even 7 and in fact I said I most likely wouldn’t even trade him for a fringe guy just in or outside the top 10. (Someone who is top 10 subjectively).

While there never any guarantees- on that you are correct the point is to pair Tatum with towns and win rings. Tatum has top 10 potential, kat has top 10 potential- brown doesn’t. U keep Tatum. U trade brown all day everyday.

Yah, KAT puts up stats, but he doesn't play defense and is a big reason for why Minny doesnt win. Im optimistic he can grow in a different environment but its not a given at all.

Hes a top 20 player and Tatum really isnt far off. I’m not trading Tatum and filler for KAT.

Exactly. He is however exactly what you trade brown for. I think the disconnect here is that people think brown and Tatum = same trade value. Not close. Even If you think brown is outplaying Tatum this year (I don’t) I think the jump Tatum is about to take next season is being dismissed.

Brown is playing great right now and is excelling in his role. In his role, 90+% of his shots are uncontested. Tatum is struggling this year but his role has him taking a much higher number of contested shots. Why? The defenses know who is the more dangerous player right now. Who knows who will be better in 5 years....I am not counting out Brown....it’s just clear as day to me who is the better player right now....and that is Tatum.

[ddb]

Only KAT trade I'm doing is a 3-way where Hayward/Langford go to Indy, Turner/Warren/and all of our picks go to Minny, KAT to Boston.

Kemba-Smart-Brown-Tatum-KAT

Not sure if Indy or Minny would be interested.

[5InOfLouisville]

I agree that tatum has has to work harder than brown, but i dont think teams are really scheming to stop jt. Also Jb isnt JUST shooting open shots.

He is however getting the ball in advantageous situations where he can exploit one on one situations. He has also benefitted from open looks generated by ball movement

But i dont know that i see teams particularly scheming to stop jt. His looks are more difficult bc we frequently call on him to initiate the offense, or bail us out at the end of a shotclock. He has to face a set defense that hasnt rotated yet, with everyone focused on him as the initial ballhandler

So i agree that his role is much more difficult, but i dont think opposing defenses are really game planning against him yet

I have seen teams scheme to stop kemba or get the ball out of his hands completely though

All that said, i do think we will see a time where tatum IS the primary focus of defenses, and hes shown flashes of being able to set up his teammates when he draws extra attention

[Roddy]

Here we go for another 100 pages trade ideas for one player.

I don't like KAT. He has great stats for sure, but he gives absolutely ZERO effort on defense. You guys are complaining about Kanter ? Wait to see KAT.

I would not trade any of Tatum/Brown/Kemba for him. Maybe Hayward, not sure.

And you guys should remember : the best offer is not always the offer they take. Remember AD ?

[Curmudgeon]

The Lakers should trade AD for KAT at the deadline. AD could walk in June, but LeBron will be a great grandfather before KAT's deal expires. Let coach LeBron teach KAT the basics of defense.

The only player on MN who interests me is Covington, and he makes way too much money to be a viable trade target for the Celtics. I like Jake Layman too, but Grant Williams needs minutes and is a better player.