2019-2020 Trade Deadline Thread

[retrobro90]

What about a trade surrounding Horford and CP3 with draft assets and/or Zaire Smith etc coming to OKC?

Same years remaining on each of their current contracts if you count Paul's PO year. Horford is in a down year and is 33. Has the Florida connection with Donovan. Great culture guy (not that CP isn't) but CP has been and is the superior player between the two. Would greatly benefit Philly's half court offense and give them a guy to boost what's been some abysmal 4th quarters.

[ThunderBolt]

What about a trade surrounding Horford and CP3 with draft assets and/or Zaire Smith etc coming to OKC?

Same years remaining on each of their current contracts if you count Paul's PO year. Horford is in a down year and is 33. Has the Florida connection with Donovan. Great culture guy (not that CP isn't) but CP has been and is the superior player between the two. Would greatly benefit Philly's half court offense and give them a guy to boost what's been some abysmal 4th quarters.

I suggested that a couple of pages back. It makes a lot of sense to me.

[spearsy23]

I'd rather just keep Paul as long as he continues mentoring the team. No point in trading for another anchor to get minimal return. I know assets are assets, but Paul has been too good and provides a modicum of watch ability in am otherwise lost year.

[ThunderBolt]

I'd rather just keep Paul as long as he continues mentoring the team. No point in trading for another anchor to get minimal return. I know assets are assets, but Paul has been too good and provides a modicum of watch ability in am otherwise lost year.

I can see Chris Paul becoming less patient here if Gallinari is traded.

[jambalaya]

If Paul is going anywhere, it is more likely to Charlotte, Detroit or maybe New York. But he probably isnt.

Horford isn't leaving Philly this season. You shouldn't trade a marque free agent after 2.5 months, especially when both he and team are doing pretty well. That would likely severely damage their reputation with future free agents on top of the damage already caused with the Butler episode.

It may "make sense" to trade FOR him (but only if you give up on idea of slow rebuild with youth) but that is not enough to make it happen or even get it on the table.

The only way Philly would go for a new PG is if they are very down on Simmons or Simmons at PG. That might happen in 5 months or 12-17 months but they could / should try for much younger PG and I'd think less controlling than Paul.

Despite the issues with Simmons' outside shooting, they depending on him being on the ball and driving to open up things for others. No one else on team does that. Paul does not do that anymore.

I probably wouldnt have targeted Horford but they did and they are convinced they are really smart. I am less convinced but they decide. They do have a decent chance to battle the Bucks but they probably could / should be better than they are.

[ThunderBolt]

Trading for Paul doest mean giving up on Simmons. Both can play together. The idea that they can’t is silly. Paul can play off the ball with Simmons and provide spacing that’s lacking right now. Saying what Philly should or shouldn’t do is irrelevant. They traded for butler and then let him walk to keep Tobias Harris. Elton brand has been very aggressive in his time as GM and there is no reason to think he’ll stop now.

[jambalaya]

It doesn't make much sense to have Paul shoot shots Richardson can at 1/3rd to 1/4th the price. Paul and Simmons COULD play together... If Simmons is willing to sacrifice and not get pissed off. I doubt he is. Is Philly willing to trust Embid's health more, give him more of the load? Trust Harris more? I doubt it. They weren't this summer.

Saying what Philly should and shouldn't do is absolutely appropriate and necessary. Without that, this is a go nowhere hypothetical.

Do you want Horford to go for the playoffs now and delay the rebuild a year? Or 3? Are you keeping Gallinari or not? If you call for this trade, you should explain the plan. Doesn't sound like what I expect Presti is thinking or going to do. The role you appear to see for Horford with the Thunder is pretty much what you are asking Sixers to abandon after dreaming it and making it happen. Not happening without a playoff disappointment or outright failure.

[jambalaya]

What do Sixers fans think about trading Horford for Paul? Let's find out.

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[ThunderBolt]

It doesn't make much sense to have Paul shoot shots Richardson can at 1/3rd to 1/4th the price. Paul and Simmons COULD play together... If Simmons is willing to sacrifice and not get pissed off. I doubt he is. Is Philly willing to trust Embid's health more, give him more of the load? Trust Harris more? I doubt it. They weren't this summer.

Who said anything about Richardson going anywhere? Move him to the three, Harris to the four. Why does Embiid need to carry a bigger load? You are moving Horford for Paul to a team that needs spacing and a backup pg. Chris Paul is fourth on this team in usage on this team. He isn’t going to highjack the offense,

Saying what Philly should and shouldn't do is absolutely appropriate and necessary. Without that, this is a go nowhere hypothetical that I am about done commenting on. But you and others can continue on as you see fit.

Philly shouldn’t have traded for butler and let him walk. However it didn’t change the reality of what they were willing or unwilling to do. The Knicks probably shouldn’t sign 13 power forwards, but they did. The past is a reliable predictor of teams future moves. Philly is not in ‘be patient’ mode, even if they should be.

Do you want Horford to go for the playoffs now and delay the rebuild a year? Or 3? Are you keeping Gallinari or not? If you call for this trade, you should explain the plan. Doesn't sound like what I expect Presti is thinking or going to do. The role you appear to see for Horford with the Thunder is pretty much what you are asking Sixers to abandon after dreaming it and making it happen. Not happening without a playoff disappointment or outright failure

Trading for horford doesn’t have any impact on the rebuild timeline. Both players are owed similar salary with horford having an additional year. I would only do the trade if okc received an asset back. What role do I see for horford?

[jambalaya]

"Who said anything about Richardson going anywhere?"

Not you, not me saying you did, not me saying it either.

If they moved Richardson to 3 and Harris to 4, they'd be going back to most of what they did last season, especially in the playoffs. And decided to change from, right or wrong.



"I would only do the trade if okc received an asset back."

So you want a young player or a draft pick FROM Sixers? So you are not offering to give pick or picks as the Sixers fans say they would expect / need? Got it.

[ThunderBolt]

"Who said anything about Richardson going anywhere?"

Not you, not me saying you did, not me saying it either.



"I would only do the trade if okc received an asset back."

So you want a young player or a draft pick FROM Sixers? So you are not offering to give pick or picks as the Sixers fans say they would expect /need? Got it.

“It doesn't make much sense to have Paul shoot shots Richardson can at 1/3rd to 1/4th the price.”
What does that imply? It implies that Richardson will no longer be shooting those shots because Paul will take his place, either by moving j rich to the bench or him no longer being with the team.

When I look for trades I look for what I perceive is close to fair value and home it can be exploited for our gain. I think horford for Paul is relatively fair. The hope would be philly feels a sense of urgency and is willing to add to the deal. I don’t expect their fans to agree to the idea of including an asset. I could have told you that before you went to the philly board and created a thread about this. Trades are very seldom agreed to on a message board because one side always wants to win. Not many pacers fans were hoping they would get Oladipo and Sabonis for Paul George. I think most clipper fans would have said the price was too high for Paul George. However fans don’t make trades.

Anyways, I’m done with this discussion. Maybe I’m stupid but I have a hard time understanding your comments. They seem very vague and incomplete at times. I do appreciate your research even though I don’t always agree. Carry on.

[jambalaya]

I was not thinking much about Richardson when I talked Paul taking his place at SG. Yes he could play SF but 82games suggests the Sixers have never done so and that when the Heat did it last season, Richardson and the Heat both did much much worse than at SG (negative instead of nice positive). Harris at PF instead of at SF is estimated as only half as good.

There is some sub-lineup data that suggest the Sixers might be able to live without Horford. But regular season is not playoffs and I think they'll want to try playoffs before deciding. He might get traded 6-18 months from now.

The only Sixers fan so far who liked the trade idea still insisted that they would have to get significant additional assets back.

But ok, moving on from this one.

[Dn4sty]

Phoenix Suns seem like a team that could be willing to move just about anyone on the roster. Does anyone on their roster have any appeal? Reading the Ayton thread on their board kind of killed any intrigue I had with him.

I’d take a shot on Bridges and I think Saric is worth kicking the tires on. I don’t think he will get a ton in FA and could be a sneaky signing

[Galloisdaman]

Karl Anthony Towns
Danilo Galinari
TBD
SGA
CP3

That team has a chance to do something special in todays league. Would OKC package many of their picks for KAT? Could they make a doable deal and one that works with the cap?

[dadouv]

KAT and Gallo would be a disaster on the defensive end.

Not willing to trade so many FRP for KAT either.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Karl Anthony Towns
Danilo Galinari
TBD
SGA
CP3

That team has a chance to do something special in todays league. Would OKC package many of their picks for KAT? Could they make a doable deal and one that works with the cap?

That only happens if you are sending them to Minny. Minny will not trade KAT until he is about to hit FA and demands it similar to what we saw with Anthony Davis. No, I don't think Minny has the ammo to get SGA, but the point was that KAT isn't being traded Minny having a chance to actually trade for CP3, SGA and Gallo. I think SGA and KAT would be a good pairing. I don't think I'd want CP3 and Gallo as my window with them, but if you had another high quality young player with them then it could become very interesting for a rebuild.

[Galloisdaman]

Karl Anthony Towns
Danilo Galinari
TBD
SGA
CP3

That team has a chance to do something special in todays league. Would OKC package many of their picks for KAT? Could they make a doable deal and one that works with the cap?

That only happens if you are sending them to Minny. Minny will not trade KAT until he is about to hit FA and demands it similar to what we saw with Anthony Davis. No, I don't think Minny has the ammo to get SGA, but the point was that KAT isn't being traded Minny having a chance to actually trade for CP3, SGA and Gallo. I think SGA and KAT would be a good pairing. I don't think I'd want CP3 and Gallo as my window with them, but if you had another high quality young player with them then it could become very interesting for a rebuild.

Some reports that KAT is unhappy there. That led to my idea.

[Atomic Punk]

Trade for Iggy and sign either JR Smith, Swaggy P, or Crawford. Won’t make them contenders but will make them a little dangerous in the playoffs. This team is too good to tank at this point, may as well run with it.

[thor19]

Trade for Iggy and sign either JR Smith, Swaggy P, or Crawford. Won’t make them contenders but will make them a little dangerous in the playoffs. This team is too good to tank at this point, may as well run with it.

Iggy or jae crowder and another good bench player ferguson is not a sf and shai is better, we need ferguson coming from the bench and a good sf to play with cp3, shai, gallo and adams from the bench, dennis, noel, ferguson, diallo, bazley

[Dn4sty]

Trade for Iggy and sign either JR Smith, Swaggy P, or Crawford. Won’t make them contenders but will make them a little dangerous in the playoffs. This team is too good to tank at this point, may as well run with it.

Iggy or jae crowder and another good bench player ferguson is not a sf and shai is better, we need ferguson coming from the bench and a good sf to play with cp3, shai, gallo and adams from the bench, dennis, noel, ferguson, diallo, bazley

OKC gets Crowder, Brooks and PHX 2020
2nd

Grizzlies get Roberson and Nuggets 2020 1st (and I would add OKC 2020 2nd if I needed.

I could also maybe be talked into Grayson Allen instead of Brooks, but I wouldn’t include OKC 2nd.