Luka Dončić Discussion - Year 2

Imon · Post #1261 » by **Imon** » Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:40 pm

Looks like Luka is putting up shots again.
According to RC he will be travelling with the team to Philly and Toronto but is unlikely to play.
It's probably for the best not to push Luka's return too quickly. If he re-aggravates his ankle and it gets inflamed again he might be out until 2020. :-?

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Archx · Post #1262 » by **Archx** » Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:27 pm

Imon wrote:Looks like Luka is putting up shots again.
According to RC he will be travelling with the team to Philly and Toronto but is unlikely to play.
It's probably for the best not to push Luka's return too quickly. If he re-aggravates his ankle and it gets inflamed again he might be out until 2020.

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Saw some other clips where he was stressing it a bit more. Keep in mind that he didn't break it and it's not the lower ankle part that caused him problems so it's a bit easier, right now it just probably feels a bit stiff. And they are waiting for discomfort to go away. I am sure he wouldn't be doing this if it was swollen. He'll have zero problems in the future, no matter when he returns. Like i said, worse case scenario would be, instead of 14 days of waiting for discomfort to go away, he would feel it for like a full month. But that is basically it.

deb · Post #1263 » by **deb** » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:38 pm

A song about Luka by the same guy that did Goran Dragic a couple years back...

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Post #1264 » by **Dirk** » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:51 pm

deb wrote:

Video is well done. You can tell that it was written by people who are following his NBA career closely and now small details.
I laughed at 2:10 in particular -- I imagine Luka has that reputation already from Europe of being emotional and complaining to the refs, I can't believe that it's all from his Mavs games.

BlueSan · Post #1265 » by **BlueSan** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:32 pm

Video is amazing

Post #1266 » by **HMFFL** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:42 am

Luka Doncic To Sign Multi-Year Endorsement Deal With Jordan Brand

https://sneakernews.com/2019/12/21/luka-doncic-jordan-brand/amp/

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Post #1267 » by **Dirk** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:20 am

DPOY candidate

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No, no, don't do it.

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Okay.

easy points are back

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bully

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to be used when talking about his «uncontested rbds»

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dygaction · Post #1268 » by **dygaction** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:29 pm

BlueSan wrote:Video is amazing

Why is Richard Jefferson hating on Luka? Keep saying he has KP... Dude just called Luka a top 10 or top 12 player :banghead:

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DJ_3_Ball · Post #1269 » by **DJ_3_Ball** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:44 pm

dygaction wrote:
BlueSan wrote:Video is amazing

Why is Richard Jefferson hating on Luka? Keep saying he has KP... Dude just called Luka a top 10 or top 12 player

Watch on YouTube

I don't really see that as an insult. Honestly, RJ is just part of that ESPN hype machine. 2-4 weeks ago after Luka posted those 40 point triple doubles, RJ was The Jump saying Luka was a top 3 MVP candidate. (Because that gets people talking).

You can see it plain as day in this video. That's the ENTIRE espn talk show format: Have Guy #1 disagree with Guy #2 and then have Guy #3 come in with a totally different person. Then have Guy #2 fight with Guy #3 and then have Guy #1 agree with Guy #2, kiss & make up. (Then have Guy #1 and Guy #2 fight with each other on the very next topic).

It's super stupid to ever get upset by anything ESPN says on one of their talk shows. I'm specifically referring to First Take & Get Up, although The Jump can be suspect at times too.

I'm a Mavs' fan, diehard, and I like to look to the future a lot. So, I personally have Doncic as the #2 player in the league.

BUT, if I had to be objective. I probably go like this...

Giannis
Kawhi
AD
LeBron
KD
Harden
Embiid

(After Embiid, I think there's a few guys that it's at least fair to question if they're at or near Luka's current level)

Jokic
Lillard
Butler
KAT
Kyrie

That's 12 right there... If I'm not trying to stretch it & think of guys who "might" be better than Luka, then I probably slide him in at #7 between Harden & Embiid.

It's all semantics, though, because 18 months from now, there will only be 2 names on anyone's list: Doncic & Giannis. And, I think they're gonna have a run like Kobe & LeBron where nobody else even dares to talk about any other player in the league as "the best".

J_T · Post #1270 » by **J_T** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:48 pm

Yeah, not really a problem and I agree that there is some click-bait going on. I'd put Luka at 5th place in the league at the moment and actually nowhere close to being an MVP. Giannis is too good in defense and for me that counts. From the list of 7 I would leave out Embiid, KD and Harden. I simply think that Luka is harder to stop. Too many teams are successfully shutting Harden down. Embiid... not this season, I think he regressed. As for KD - sorry but I want to see that he is actually able to play right now. I am not giving a top 5 spot to anyone that is not playing for a year. The burden of proof is on KD at the moment.

Archx · Post #1271 » by **Archx** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:02 pm

DJ_3_Ball wrote:BUT, if I had to be objective. I probably go like this...

Giannis
Kawhi
AD
LeBron
KD
Harden
Embiid

(After Embiid, I think there's a few guys that it's at least fair to question if they're at or near Luka's current level)

Jokic
Lillard
Butler
KAT
Kyrie.

I'm not taking KD and Embiid over Luka. No player came back the same after such injury. Kobe was a monster and he became much worse. Embiid is way too inconsistent for my taste. And those last 5 you mentioned, yeah not taking anyone over Luka from that list. The only reason i would take anyone else over Luka, excluding LBJ, Kawhi, Giannis, Harden and maybe AD, is because of the experience.

J_T · Post #1272 » by **J_T** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:17 am

Not an MVP yet, but I think he is a top candidate for most improved player.

kpld45 · Post #1273 » by **kpld45** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:46 pm

BlueSan · Post #1274 » by **BlueSan** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:05 pm

Dirk wrote:
deb wrote:

Video is well done. You can tell that it was written by people who are following his NBA career closely and now small details.
I laughed at 2:10 in particular -- I imagine Luka has that reputation already from Europe of being emotional and complaining to the refs, I can't believe that it's all from his Mavs games.

Its from NBA games

J_T · Post #1275 » by **J_T** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:05 am

Saw today that team's corner 3 FG% is 15 percentage points higher with Luka on court. The difference almost looks too extreme to be sustainable. That's half of a point difference per 3-pointer taken. Also if I remember correctly team's FG% at the rim is around 11% higher with him on court, although I'm not sure if that stat includes his own shots.

Pg81 · Post #1276 » by **Pg81** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:11 am

Nice analysis:

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J_T wrote:Saw today that team's corner 3 FG% is 15 percentage points higher with Luka on court. The difference almost looks too extreme to be sustainable. That's half of a point difference per 3-pointer taken. Also if I remember correctly team's FG% at the rim is around 11% higher with him on court, although I'm not sure if that stat includes his own shots.

This video mentions that stat, too. Did you by chance see it as well?

J_T · Post #1277 » by **J_T** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 6:06 am

As I said in the Game thread...

I have an interesting stat that in my opinion shows that Luka is not a mad man and the stat is definitely not consistent with some of the opinions expressed about his crazy decisions today.

This season he has 16 games with 9+ 3p attempts and 12 games with 8 or fewer attempts.

In the 16 games with 9+ attempts, his 3p shooting percentage is 36.4%.

In the 12 games with 8- attempts, his 3p shooting percentage is 23.4%.

I'm interested what conclusions people make from this, if any, especially related to Luka's shot selection. My conclusion is that if he sees he doesn't have a good shooting night, he will not force it and will shoot less. In fact he only had one sub 25% game when he had at least 9 3p attempts.

Post #1278 » by **Dirk** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 3:46 pm

J_T wrote:As I said in the Game thread...

I have an interesting stat that in my opinion shows that Luka is not a mad man and the stat is definitely not consistent with some of the opinions expressed about his crazy decisions today.

This season he has 16 games with 9+ 3p attempts and 12 games with 8 or fewer attempts.

In the 16 games with 9+ attempts, his 3p shooting percentage is 36.4%.

In the 12 games with 8- attempts, his 3p shooting percentage is 23.4%.

I'm interested what conclusions people make from this, if any, especially related to Luka's shot selection. My conclusion is that if he sees he doesn't have a good shooting night, he will not force it and will shoot less. In fact he only had one sub 25% game when he had at least 9 3p attempts.

Think you're on to something on his individuals numbers. You'd need to dig further to see team performance and if there's correlation. 9-2 record stands out.
9+
67 192 0.348958333 10W 7L
ts% 63
8 or less
18 76 0.236842105 9W 2L
ts% 57

Spoiler:

I don't think he played that badly vs OKC tbh. He likely had some issues with his body. Two or three shots that were never going in made him look worse, then he had a sequence where he took a step back vs small guy and then a turnover vs Gallo who studied him...

"I was just trying to play defense off the scouting report," Gallinari said. "He likes to go left rather than right, so I knew he was going to get back to his left hand. It was a good play."

And topped it off with another miss with 6 seconds left. The worst thing was that he finally made a 3 to get to 99-92 with 3 mins to go [he had been terrible shooting 3s all that second half... so it was a huge break, off a rebound by Maxi] and he didn't carry that momentum...

Still had a nice floater (could have even drawn a foul). He can find a better balance. I'd rather he create something by driving inside and kicking out, than settling for a stepback. Or as we've seen some other guys do lately (Kemba, Lowry), shoot off screen. If we're strictly speaking about 'winning now'. If we're talking 'development', then well... let him grow with the mistakes... madman... and trust that he'll get better/figure it out. And the team as a whole as well.

Need to see one or two of these to go in this season...

Spoiler:

Sara2009 · Post #1279 » by **Sara2009** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 3:56 pm

J_T wrote:As I said in the Game thread...

I have an interesting stat that in my opinion shows that Luka is not a mad man and the stat is definitely not consistent with some of the opinions expressed about his crazy decisions today.

This season he has 16 games with 9+ 3p attempts and 12 games with 8 or fewer attempts.

In the 16 games with 9+ attempts, his 3p shooting percentage is 36.4%.

In the 12 games with 8- attempts, his 3p shooting percentage is 23.4%.

I'm interested what conclusions people make from this, if any, especially related to Luka's shot selection. My conclusion is that if he sees he doesn't have a good shooting night, he will not force it and will shoot less. In fact he only had one sub 25% game when he had at least 9 3p attempts.

I wonder if not having THJ and KP made him force it more last night.

The Sparest · Post #1280 » by **The Sparest** » Thu Jan 2, 2020 3:33 am

Sara2009 wrote:
J_T wrote:As I said in the Game thread...

I have an interesting stat that in my opinion shows that Luka is not a mad man and the stat is definitely not consistent with some of the opinions expressed about his crazy decisions today.

This season he has 16 games with 9+ 3p attempts and 12 games with 8 or fewer attempts.

In the 16 games with 9+ attempts, his 3p shooting percentage is 36.4%.

In the 12 games with 8- attempts, his 3p shooting percentage is 23.4%.

I'm interested what conclusions people make from this, if any, especially related to Luka's shot selection. My conclusion is that if he sees he doesn't have a good shooting night, he will not force it and will shoot less. In fact he only had one sub 25% game when he had at least 9 3p attempts.

I wonder if not having THJ and KP made him force it more last night.

That and no one else was really picking up the slack either. I'm not a fan of hero ball, but its not like Luka had a lot of options that night.