2019-20 OKC Thunder Regular Season Thread

Old Man Game · Post #321 » by **Old Man Game** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:35 pm

I started off this season all in on team tank, but at this point I think it'd be fun to actually make the playoffs, even if it is a first round exit. Something about trading two all stars and getting a truckload of draft picks but then still ending up with the same result as before would be really hilarious.

jambalaya · Post #322 » by **jambalaya** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:43 pm

Bazley to the G-league for a month. Maybe when Diallo returns... in a few weeks?

Patton should get at least a 5 game test. And perhaps a better free throw shooting coach.

Muscala is another player who fell apart in the Thunder system. Recovery or not? Month to month splits are not encouraging.

Dn4sty · Post #323 » by **Dn4sty** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:44 pm

Read on Twitter

?s=21

Lonzo trade incoming.
LaMelo draft on the horizon.

Post #324 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:20 pm

Dn4sty wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

Lonzo trade incoming.
LaMelo draft on the horizon.

CROklahoma · Post #325 » by **CROklahoma** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:01 am

We are in a great spot, considering last 2 years. Finally, fan base and managment has no illusions chasing championships, we already have a great young core in Bazely and SGA, with Ferguson being a potential side kick defender on a cheap contract. 3 pieces are here. I see actually Bazely exploding and being a better player than anyone else in 3-4 years. See Kawhi in his first year in SAS.

Coaching will see their contracts expire in next year aswell, and if they dont succeed in showcasing talent and results, they'll get eventually an out.

CP3's contract wont be a factor as a lot of teams have burdens of their own, and would be willing to get a game changer at PG position, which cp3 is and will be in 2-3 more years. He aint using his elite athleticism to impact games.

Adams, Noel are aswell movable assets.

Plenty of directions to go from here, and I like all of them.

Bazely and SGA are untouchables.

Old Man Game · Post #326 » by **Old Man Game** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:51 pm

This is admittedly a flame worthy thought, but the internet is the place for questionable opinions so here goes.

Watching Dort last night it hit me, the dude, physically (physically not skill wise) reminds me of PJ Tucker. He's really solidly built like that. Other wings can't muscle him on defense. His offense has a long ways to go but there's enough there that I'm pretty surprised he went undrafted.

CROklahoma · Post #327 » by **CROklahoma** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:08 pm

Why not ?
PJ Tucker earned his early money in Europe, playing for a really mediocre Greek team.

No reason not to develop Dort into even better player. But I have some doubts, especially our main coach and our shooting coaches, if they even exist.

Post #328 » by **slick_watts** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:17 pm

terrance ferguson has been incredibly disappointing this season.

spearsy23 · Post #329 » by **spearsy23** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:34 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:
Dn4sty wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

Lonzo trade incoming.
LaMelo draft on the horizon.

So... about that Sam/lavar theory

dadouv · Post #330 » by **dadouv** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:44 am

Oh well I wanted the tank so badly but now I'm fine if we make the playoffs (if we keep our FRP)

Obviously enjoying SGA lately (he will get some up and downs but he's showing how good he can be) and for the first time I'm happy CP3 is playing for our team because his attitude/mindset is really great so far as a Thunder and he's certainly helping SGA development.

I would still trade Gallo and/or Schroeder (Gallo because he's an expiring and Schroeder because I don't think his value will be higher than it is right now) but I wouldn't mind if we stand pat.

Post #331 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:59 am

spearsy23 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
Dn4sty wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

Lonzo trade incoming.
LaMelo draft on the horizon.

So... about that Sam/lavar theory

He should listen to me.

jambalaya · Post #332 » by **jambalaya** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:32 am

Players and minutes under Presti:

116 played
5 over 10k minutes (Durant,Westbrook, Ibaka, Collison, Adams)
Adams passes Collison for minutes played in next 2-3 games.
Just 13 over 5k
23 over 2.5k
49 over 1k
53 under 500 minutes
24 under 100 minutes.

How many were "decent" or "good"? That depends on perspective / measuring stick. Probably between 25-50%.

jambalaya · Post #333 » by **jambalaya** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:36 am

For comparison, players and minutes under Morey:

136 played
3 over 10k minutes
13 over 5k
30 over 2.5k
52 over 1k
67 under 500 minutes
31 under 100 minutes.

Same timeframe for Spurs:

102 played
7 over 10k minutes
14 over 5k
28 over 2.5k
42 over 1k
51 under 500 minutes
26 under 100 minutes.

Same timeframe for Warriors:

116 played
6 over 10k minutes
12 over 5k
22 over 2.5k
52 over 1k
39 under 500 minutes
17 under 100 minutes.

fwiw. Distributions more similar than different.

In next 6 years, based on this data, might see around 50 players for Thunder. Only a few to a handful for real big long-term minutes. Only somewhere between 20-25% of the players for over 1000 total team minutes during that time. Or about 10-13 significant guys. But of course it could vary from the past distributions for more or less total and significant players.

Post #334 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:40 pm

Saw in DT that Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is currently the third most efficient isolation player in the NBA at 1.12 PPP. He's only behind Damian Lillard and James Harden.

spearsy23 · Post #335 » by **spearsy23** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:19 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:Saw in DT that Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is currently the third most efficient isolation player in the NBA at 1.12 PPP. He's only behind Damian Lillard and James Harden.

What's the volume look like?

Post #336 » by **slick_watts** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:27 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:Saw in DT that Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is currently the third most efficient isolation player in the NBA at 1.12 PPP. He's only behind Damian Lillard and James Harden.

What's the volume look like?

low. 12% frequency, compared to 18% for lillard and the bananas 46% for harden. 2.4 possessions per game. the efficiency is encouraging regardless, but this is a misleading comparison between the three considering the volume differences.

shai is comparatively weak at pnr ball handler, at .88 ppp. lillard leads the nba on ppp and is 50%+ frequency. i tend to conflate isolation and pnr ball handler for guards and wings with these synergy stats because they both invoke the same skills and a lot of what they consider pnr ball handler are basically isolations. they appear to call it a pnr ball handler possession so long as a screen is set, no matter if the handler actually takes it or takes it then clears out, etc.

CROklahoma · Post #337 » by **CROklahoma** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 8:22 am

Once again, even if those leaks were complete nonsense, its clear SGA/Bazely are complete untouchables.
SGA's numbers in 2nd year are something only few in history of this franchise were able to acomplish (KD, Russ to some point with a lower efficiency and better assist %, due to the fact he threw passes to an all time great scorer).
Bazely is a kid with the most upside since KD. Just gambling on that is fine.
TFerg is not a problem for this franchise. He isnt on a huge contract, not a cancer, can play some D, and showed glimpses of being able to knock down open shots. Could be our player off the bench in years to come.

Once again, we won against really tough WC opponent who aims to get out of first round, with a top5 player currently.

I hope we keep CP3, and ride the deadline to get another young guy (Monk would be insane for this franchise and his timeline perfectly fits our new core).

Post #338 » by **slick_watts** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 2:56 pm

bazley with the most upside since KD?? excuse me???

Post #339 » by **slick_watts** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 4:12 pm

the thunder allowed .187 FTA rate to opponents in december, which is the lowest for a full month in the nba since the lakers in march, 2012. thunder had > .100 FTA rate differential, which is close to the franchise's peak dominance at the ft line with kevin martin and kevin durant around. it's hard to figure this out since we don't allow a lot of threes, contest a lot of shots inside of six feet, and we even have some high foul rate players in the rotation. also, we are allowing the highest free throw percentage in the nba so far, so it's possible that assuming our FTA rate dominance continues, our overall FT line dominance will improve further with some regression of opponent ft percentage.

on another sort of related note, terrance ferguson hasn't attempted a free throw in 10 starts, which is the longest streak of the nba season. another 3 starts and he will be #2 in thunder history behind domantas sabonis' 19 start streak his rookie year. ferguson is also the owner of the 8th worst career FTr in nba history. of the 50 players (min. 500 minutes) who have shot more than 75% of their fga from three point range, ferguson this season has the fourth lowest percentage at 31.4%. that's lower than alex abrines last year, for some perspective. on the defensive end, ferguson's blocks, steals and defensive rebound percentages resemble anthony morrow and doug mcdermott a lot more than a defensive specialist. i'm embarrassed that i supported him to keep his starting job early last season. his confidence is shot, he hasn't improved much in his third season, it's time to bench him and explore other opportunities.

Thunder Up · Post #340 » by **Thunder Up** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 5:06 pm

This team is actually good, and they're playing 4 on 5 yet again on offense.... yeesh

Where's that idiot that told me he was the next Jimmy Butler.

I may be in the massive minority but I would be very happy if we signed Gallo to a 2+1 deal. He is legit a perfect fit with Shai and whoever is our PG of the future moving forward