The-Power wrote:Fischella wrote:Haliburton barely gets to the rim though, 27% is pitiful still for a lead-Guard
The last thing I want to imply is that Haliburton is a flawless scorer or without clear holes in his game. So I agree, it is a concern along with free throw rate, thin frame and the pull-up jumper.
Still, that number itself does not really concern me. For starters, it has gone up from 22% last year. So Haliburton increased his usage while simultaneously increasing the share of shots at the rim. That's a very good time. Moreover, 27% really isn't pitiful at all in comparison. Cole Anthony is at 22%, Anthony Edwards 28%, Mannion at 14% (!), Tre Jones at 30%. D'Angelo Russell was at 22%. Nothing wrong with 27% for a lead Guard at all.
Now, I don't know about the accuracy of these numbers; I don't know the non-transition numbers and I'm aware that is doesn't take into account overall usage, driving ability etc. But if you find find 27% pitiful and a concern then you should be really concerned about Mannion, and not as high on Anthony and Edwards either.Fischella wrote:I buy 0 into being personable or the FIBA stuff really, that kinda makes judgement murkier to me and brings up playing favourites.
I think FIBA play is a valuable piece of information. You play next to other top prospects and if you are entrusted with a considerable role and you find a way to impact the game with a lower than usual usage, that's definitely a plus.
Regarding personality, I understand the hesitation. Still, I would contend that personality should be a considerable factor in the scouting process because it is relevant. It concerns work ethic, willingness to adapt, to integrate, commitment to team basketball, priority on winning etc. Now, we can only see bits and pieces, so it's tough to judge from afar and shouldn't be our main focus. But if I have prospects in the same tier, I definitely try to look at these kind of things because I firmly believe that they matter.
Doesn't help that I'm still burned from the Josh Jackson fiasco.Fischella wrote:Regarding the archetype, we have plenty of proof to know that it is problematic now, and honestly we did before Lonzo.
Care to elaborate a bit on which players you have in mind?
I know that I'm super skeptical of athletic scoring PGs with a suspect jumper or poor-shooting lead Guards in general (in recent years for instance Mudiay, Duval, Fox and Smith that I was much lower on than many) but I wouldn't put Haliburton in that group. So what players are you looking at when you say that we have plenty of proof that his archetype is problematic before Lonzo? Genuinely curious.
I am concerned about Mannion and Anthony but they are pull-up GODs, Hali ain't, and yeah Ant is not a driver but he is deriving value elsewhere, awesome shot-making flashes
27% is bad, and yeah, guys improve, that's good and bad, he is more advanced, settled and physically developed than freshman, only natural that he is putting up better numbers year to year.
You are reading too much into a few quotes, that ain't personality, I could be bullshitting you with those rather easy, as far as FIBA, youth Tnmts generally involve worse talent than NCAA comp, they are another data point but far from important imho.
Which player I got in mind? well, Rubio, Delon Wright, Satoransky, Lonzo, Shaun Liv, obv late career J-Kidd, they can be useful no doubt, but they tend to be overrated re-draft and their impact is more as rotation players than studs
Mudiay, Duval and Smith had all terrible IQ, plus suspect shooting obv, Fox was better there and was a transition demon with solid shooting skills if you knew were to look (upon improving core strength, I was low on Fox but he was a fine PG), I am not denying Hali's value, but def beware on overrating that archetype, it is fine BUT, does not derive top5 value, basically ever
Alocén belongs in that same archetype, he may go early to mid 2nd and he is not much worse than Hali
