Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[MagicBagley18]

not much of a rebuttal there.

Tatum or Brown, langford, smart, and multiple picks and a lotto pick are far more than:
Demar Derozan, Jakob Poeltl and a late first rounder
or
Ball (major disappointment), Ingram(blot clots and not cleared to play in NBA at the time of deal), josh Heart (meh) and 3 first rounders
(1 of them pick 4 in last yeras draft)

I personally value Smart far more than Ball and Hart, the memphis pick as equal to the top 4 pick, the other picks as a wash and this years tatum as FAR superior to last yeas Ingram.

You do understand that the 2 scenarios are apples to oranges and not apples to apples? Completely different AD and kawhi were rentals on 1 year deals, so they could essentially dictate where they went by informing interested teams that they would never ever re-sign with them. They could kill deals on site. 2-3 teams tops were in the negotiations.

With KAT he’s locked up for several more years and therefore the team trading him and the team he’s traded to have leverage. Since he’s on a long term deal, teams that normally wouldn’t risk mortgaging the future will take a chance on trading for him- which will raise his value and have more teams in the running for him. More people bidding- the higher the price.

I dont see that holding the value it once did.
Phantom injuries, further demad for trades, etc, reduces the value of players om longer deals.

That might be just me though.

And like other have posted, i also think that although I absolurely LOVE kat, i think this team is a defensive bigman away from true contention. Not a player that requires lots of touches taking away from what currently works.

Our 1-4 has the potential to be the best in the league, why break that up when what is needed is more of a role player.

I offer hayward, romeo, robert and picks. Max. And I also believe it could potentially be the best offer minny gets.

It’s just you. But god bless man, fair enough.

[GoCeltics123]

EDIT: Fake

[snowman]

Vincent Poirier (Celtics)
26 year old, 7-0, 235 lb C from
1.7 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.3 apg in 4.8 minutes in 2019-2020
For
Harry Giles (Kings)
21 year old, 6-10, 240 lb PF from Duke
4.6 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 9.5 minutes in 2019-2020

We know what we are getting from Poirier, and that's not much. I will be the first to eat crow when I said that I thought he would be a rotation player, or even start. Boy, was I wrong. It would be different if he was hurt from the beginning, but he has not been able to sniff the rotation from day one.

Giles may not be much better, but he does have a better basket ball knowledge background, coming from Duke. (That's tough to say considering I'm a Carolina fan lol, but hey I'm also a big Tatum fan) I think a change of scenery would help Giles, as would our training staff and the fact that he could be hanging with his old college boy Tatum. Sac has already declined his option, so that shows they don't have him in their plans.

[Curmudgeon]

Poirier fro Giles? Oh sure. If you move the deck chairs over there, it would create more room for shuffleboard. Oh wait, is that an iceberg?

[Gomes3PC]

Why would Sacramento take on Poirier? They already have too many centers, to the point where Dedmon is complaining and wants out.

[Gomes3PC]

Guys, stop throwing Smart into deals for guys like Bogdanovic. He's not getting traded unless Ainge HAS to trade him as part of a deal for a superstar or under-25 star with superstar potential (like KAT).

Closest deal I can think that makes some sense, and has to happen after the season so Brown's deal kicks in, is this:

KAT + Covington

For

Brown, Smart, Langford, Williams, Memphis 1, Celtics 2021 pick, Celtics 2023 pick, plus maybe a pick swap in 2022 or 2024.

That deal is comparable in many ways to the AD trade. AD is better but KAT has more years on his deal.

Re-up Hayward and you have a crunch time lineup of Kemba, Covington, Tatum, Hayward and KAT, with Theis, Kanter, Wanamaker, Edwards and Grant on the bench (plus 1-2 vet ring chasers). Personally I love that lineup and think that starting 5 at least has the skillset to win against anyone. Good luck playing defense against a 5-out lineup like that. And KAT has the size to at least tussle with Embiid.

[5InOfLouisville]

Guys, stop throwing Smart into deals for guys like Bogdanovic. He's not getting traded unless Ainge HAS to trade him as part of a deal for a superstar or under-25 star with superstar potential (like KAT).

Closest deal I can think that makes some sense, and has to happen after the season so Brown's deal kicks in, is this:

KAT + Covington

For

Brown, Smart, Langford, Williams, Memphis 1, Celtics 2021 pick, Celtics 2023 pick, plus maybe a pick swap in 2022 or 2024.

That deal is comparable in many ways to the AD trade. AD is better but KAT has more years on his deal.

Re-up Hayward and you have a crunch time lineup of Kemba, Covington, Tatum, Hayward and KAT, with Theis, Kanter, Wanamaker, Edwards and Grant on the bench (plus 1-2 vet ring chasers). Personally I love that lineup and think that starting 5 at least has the skillset to win against anyone. Good luck playing defense against a 5-out lineup like that. And KAT has the size to at least tussle with Embiid.

At the very least, this is an interesting proposal. Don't know that I love it, as a brown homer, but it makes sense. i also don't know if it is the best offer minny might receive, but it's also not a crazy lowball.

[CeltsfaninDC]

I'd think the Warriors would offer up their first(top5)/Russell, Suns would offer up Ayton plus, N.O. anything outside Zion(Ingram/Ball), etc.... I think there be a lot of teams would better headliners in a deal. I don't see why Minny would want Gordon, he prob opts out and walks at the end of the season.

Hayward walking is why they would want him.

A rebuilding team with capspace to absorb bad contract tied to picks is a huge asset.

They are giving up a 24 year old franchise player with potential to be top 10- they want more than an expiring contract in Hayward. They need to get a foundational player in return or something comparable. U got the draft pick compensation right but u need brown. Hayward ain’t getting it done

Then we aren’t making that deal....
I don’t think trading either of the Js for KAT makes any sense for this team. If someone else wants to overpay, let em. This is just the media stirring up the pot and looking for things to write about.

[Curmudgeon]

If any Celtic is traded it will be Hayward because he makes alot of money (good for salary matching) and he has a player option. And it almost certainly won't be for KAT. Just off the top of my head, Hayward to Memphis for Valenciunas and Crowder, plus removal of the protections on the Memphis pick, would make considerably more sense than a deal for KAT.

[sam_I_am]

I think we have a large enough sample size to know that the team really doesn’t miss a beat when either of Hayward, Brown or Smart is out. Two of those guys plus Wannamaker, Langford and Green is more than adequate to replace the loss of one of those 3 if they were traded. Brown can’t be traded. Smart and Hayward could easily be traded to make the team better and rebalance the roster if Ainge and Brad really believe it would bring a legit title shot. However, we are really good with all hands on deck so why mess with it now? There will be better deals to be had in the offseason.

[MagicBagley18]

Hayward walking is why they would want him.

A rebuilding team with capspace to absorb bad contract tied to picks is a huge asset.

They are giving up a 24 year old franchise player with potential to be top 10- they want more than an expiring contract in Hayward. They need to get a foundational player in return or something comparable. U got the draft pick compensation right but u need brown. Hayward ain’t getting it done

Then we aren’t making that deal....
I don’t think trading either of the Js for KAT makes any sense for this team. If someone else wants to overpay, let em. This is just the media stirring up the pot and looking for things to write about.

It is the media stirring the pot but I’d give up Jaylen brown for kat with no hesitation what so ever

[Scarletfire81]

Theis and Kanter haven’t been that bad honestly. Kanter is actually looking much better lately. Im not sure we could find anyone that could stop Embiid or Giannis. I predict Ainge will try to get someone on the buyout or possibly make a small trade. Even a small trade may be unlikely.

[5InOfLouisville]

I think we have a large enough sample size to know that the team really doesn’t miss a beat when either of Hayward, Brown or Smart is out.

I think I would disagree with that. If anything, I don't know that we have a large enough sample size of all of them together, but it seems to me our ceiling is much higher with all 3 of them available. Of course, when considering a trade, I guess the value depends on what you get in return.

Yet, I don't see any of those 3 as purely dispensable.

[sam_I_am]

I think we have a large enough sample size to know that the team really doesn’t miss a beat when either of Hayward, Brown or Smart is out.

I think I would disagree with that. If anything, I don't know that we have a large enough sample size of all of them together, but it seems to me our ceiling is much higher with all 3 of them available. Of course, when considering a trade, I guess the value depends on what you get in return.

Yet, I don't see any of those 3 as purely dispensable.

Well, team is 5-2 with everybody and 18-6 without. So the record is better when 1 doesn’t play. And when you look at play against similar teams with and without the overall play has been comparible. The offensive rating with Hayward/Brown/Tatum together has been eye opening and Smart brings a defensive presence that is unique so I am in no rush to trade anybody. I’m just saying that if the right trade comes along, Danny can make a move if he believes it better balances roster and makes team more competitive.

[5InOfLouisville]

I think we have a large enough sample size to know that the team really doesn’t miss a beat when either of Hayward, Brown or Smart is out.

I think I would disagree with that. If anything, I don't know that we have a large enough sample size of all of them together, but it seems to me our ceiling is much higher with all 3 of them available. Of course, when considering a trade, I guess the value depends on what you get in return.

Yet, I don't see any of those 3 as purely dispensable.

I’m just saying that if the right trade comes along, Danny can make a move if he believes it better balances roster and makes team more competitive.

I can't argue that. I don't fully buy that our roster is as unbalances as some might say, but if you can make a trade that makes the team better and doesnt cripple us long term, you have to make it.

[CeltsfaninDC]

Well, team is 5-2 with everybody and 18-6 without. So the record is better when 1 doesn’t play.

Uhhhhh, thats really really close. You can’t really make any determinations from that

[ddb]

if I'm DA I'm not making any significant in-season trade this year. NO WAY! This team is special and just scratching the surface of how good they will be down the stretch. Tatum & Brown are turning into STARS! Already playing at an All-Star level and gaining confidence by the day. Kemba has been a great, great fit here. He's the complete opposite of Kyrie in terms of his ability to lead. He reminds me of Kevin Garnett in the way guys just want to play alongside him. Hayward (when healthy) has such a Net positive impact on this team. he just makes everyone else better. I still think the best is yet to come from GH. Kanter is putting in effort defensively and has been a PER monster this season. What nice option coming off the bench. Smart is Smart. He's going to continue impacting winning and being a leader for this group.
I really don't think this team needs much. I would look to bring in a solid veteran via minor trade, or waiver wire. That's all that is needed. Milwaukee, Philly, Toronto, Indy, Miami are all vulnerable. Boston has a realistic shot at making it to the finals this year

[Gomes3PC]

if I'm DA I'm not making any significant in-season trade this year. NO WAY! This team is special and just scratching the surface of how good they will be down the stretch. Tatum & Brown are turning into STARS! Already playing at an All-Star level and gaining confidence by the day. Kemba has been a great, great fit here. He's the complete opposite of Kyrie in terms of his ability to lead. He reminds me of Kevin Garnett in the way guys just want to play alongside him. Hayward (when healthy) has such a Net positive impact on this team. he just makes everyone else better. I still think the best is yet to come from GH. Kanter is putting in effort defensively and has been a PER monster this season. What nice option coming off the bench. Smart is Smart. He's going to continue impacting winning and being a leader for this group.
I really don't think this team needs much. I would look to bring in a solid veteran via minor trade, or waiver wire. That's all that is needed. Milwaukee, Philly, Toronto, Indy, Miami are all vulnerable. Boston has a realistic shot at making it to the finals this year

Yeah, I am with you, I think this is a year of stability. I think if there is a trade any time soon, it is between the lottery and the draft, as we will know if we have the MEM pick (and if so, where it sits) and we will be able to line up a deal in time to at least understand what Hayward's FA plan is (and ideally find a way to keep him if he opts out).

[Wes-J]

Again, no Hayward trades.

We just need a vet bench scorer. Chase bigger fish after the season.

[Andrew McCeltic]

The absolute best-case for us is that Favors gets bought out (by NOP or a team they trade him to) and signs with us.

I’m still trade-averse, too. For one thing, as much as I love this year’s team, they’re a title long-shot, so disrupting the chemistry and vibes and development for a marginal upgrade is an uncompelling idea. Let Kanter keep sweating and having fun working at his defense, let Rob develop.

The only thing I’d contemplate is a knockout Hayward trade - something too good to pass up that makes us younger and sends him to a competitive team. Probably someone who doesn’t have max cap space and wants Bird rights if he opts out. And I think Boston is only in a position to take calls, not make them.

Nothing wrong with staying the course right now. We need another big, but Rob is developing, and Tacko and Grant, and we have the MEM and MIL picks. And I’d love to have a high upside point guard in the pipeline as a future Kemba replacement - SGA, Ntilikina- but that’s a luxury.

Should probably look at trading the MIL or BOS pick - we can’t use two or three first-rounders in mid-June again.