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Post#1961 » by Marcus » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:55 pm

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Marcus wrote:just glad to see these kids take this type of control over how they go forward with their futures.


yea, wish there was a better option for them other than having to move across the world for a year, but at least it's something...


I mean G-League could be that if the payout was better, but once OAD is over it won't matter as much. They still need to fix it up a bit and make the monetary a bit more appealing here in the states. I'm assuming the NCAA won't sign off without some sort of agreement probably a balance of at least 2 years if you decide to come to school. maybe Adam can sneak in an out clause for a kid to still leave early but the G-League would be the option and not a direct shot into the NBA. With that as the base he could look into incentivising it a bit. Because i highly doubt Wiseman's situation will be the last time something like that occurs.
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Post#1962 » by Marcus » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:57 pm

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Marcus wrote:just glad to see these kids take this type of control over how they go forward with their futures.


yea, wish there was a better option for them other than having to move across the world for a year, but at least it's something...


Curious if anyone is going to take the 125k route for the G League? 125k for 5 months of playing ball aint too bad of an option. Just the travel sucks and the exposure is bad.


It's a bad option if i'm housing you overseas in a better environment where the league is about you for the most part and the pay i would think (somebody please chime in with what Melo and RJ are making over there) is better.
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Post#1963 » by Marcus » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:59 pm

clyde21 wrote:where is everyone getting Todd is a toss up? he has Michigan on his twitter profile i don't he'd put that if it were really 50-50


that's what i'm waiting to see. I'm leaving it alone until i see something official. Everything I've read is saying he could go either way at this point but kid has plenty of time to figure that whole thing out.
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Post#1964 » by No-Man » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:05 pm

I know people, that's where, I think Todd is 80/20 on going pro, Green I think 100% going pro imo
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Post#1965 » by GimmeDat » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:10 pm

clyde21 wrote:where is everyone getting Todd is a toss up? he has Michigan on his twitter profile i don't he'd put that if it were really 50-50


https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/isaiah-todd-talks-michigan-pro-opportunities

This is where I saw him last discussing it.

I believe Suggs is looking at the pro route as well.

Is Beauchamp definitely just going to train or will he still look at pro options?

It wouldn't surprise me to see Kai Sotto considered as well. He supposedly has offers from big Euro teams, but might get more opportunity down here. Technically could qualify as a local outside of the 'Next Stars' program as well - NBL has an Asian Player exception for smaller asia/pacific countries.
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Post#1966 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:13 pm

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yea, wish there was a better option for them other than having to move across the world for a year, but at least it's something...


Curious if anyone is going to take the 125k route for the G League? 125k for 5 months of playing ball aint too bad of an option. Just the travel sucks and the exposure is bad.


It's a bad option if i'm housing you overseas in a better environment where the league is about you for the most part and the pay i would think (somebody please chime in with what Melo and RJ are making over there) is better.


Oh dont get me wrong, Im not saying its a better option than say playing in Australia. I believe the Next Stars Program salary is 100k (68k US dollars). But ya I do believe they get housing paid for as well. I also assume the travel is probably much nicer than G League. They probably get better exposure as well. But again I think a domestic option of 125k for 5 months of G League isn't a bad option for wanting to stay domestic.
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Post#1967 » by No-Man » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:14 pm

Yeah but Suggs is all over the place, I heard playing football may still be an option, Gonzaga seems to be the fav if he focuses on basketball and goes to college, also heard prep school and declaring could be a possibility
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Post#1968 » by Marcus » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:17 pm

Fischella wrote:I know people, that's where, I think Todd is 80/20 on going pro, Green I think 100% going pro imo


makes all the sense in the world for Jalen to go. I think it's his best bet. Wide open game, sooooper marketable kid, and a game that's extremely appealing to the eye.
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Post#1969 » by No-Man » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:18 pm

Ah, on Sotto, from what I heard he is just going to skip college try to go pro directly from prep

Holmgren is a possibility for NBL as soon as next year as well btw, like you mentioned Suggs too

So buckle up, it's going to be lit in Australia
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Post#1970 » by No-Man » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:20 pm

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Fischella wrote:I know people, that's where, I think Todd is 80/20 on going pro, Green I think 100% going pro imo


makes all the sense in the world for Jalen to go. I think it's his best bet. Wide open game, sooooper marketable kid, and a game that's extremely appealing to the eye.

it'd make sense for Christopher too imo, but he is a Cali kid through and through, may stay home and go to UCLA even though he would have to play for Cronin :lol:
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Post#1971 » by GimmeDat » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:30 pm

Fischella wrote:Ah, on Sotto, from what I heard he is just going to skip college try to go pro directly from prep

Holmgren is a possibility for NBL as soon as next year as well btw, like you mentioned Suggs too

So buckle up, it's going to be lit in Australia


I'm definitely enjoying it while it lasts. LaMelo and RJ have been a lot of fun this year. Nice to be able to see them in a similar setting to some of our local talent and compare in the same setting as well.

Noi's 22 now but he's been pretty nice this year, for instance.

Sam Froling's been injured for a while but was really good when he played - 18/10/2 per 36 and 55.6% FG. Looked much better than his older brother this season. Should've played more. Side note - They brought in Billy Preston as his injury replacement, came in with a terrible attitude, missed 3 practices and they sent him home, lol.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Terry Armstrong back or doing something else next year as well, barely played this year and from what I've heard from within the club he hasn't been up to NBL mins standard yet - low IQ/undeveloped skillset. Seems like raw undeveloped tools that might take a few years. Been a non-factor this year but if he's back somewhere here next year he'd be hopefully contributing.

Holmgren is an interesting one. Feel like he'd physically get eaten alive going straight to pro's, feel like college would be better for showcasing him. But I'll take him, haha, plenty of talent there.

Also I feel like Sotto isn't good enough to declare out of HS, might bite him in the ass? Feel like pro would suite him.
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Post#1972 » by Marcus » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:20 am

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Curious if anyone is going to take the 125k route for the G League? 125k for 5 months of playing ball aint too bad of an option. Just the travel sucks and the exposure is bad.


It's a bad option if i'm housing you overseas in a better environment where the league is about you for the most part and the pay i would think (somebody please chime in with what Melo and RJ are making over there) is better.


Oh dont get me wrong, Im not saying its a better option than say playing in Australia. I believe the Next Stars Program salary is 100k (68k US dollars). But ya I do believe they get housing paid for as well. I also assume the travel is probably much nicer than G League. They probably get better exposure as well. But again I think a domestic option of 125k for 5 months of G League isn't a bad option for wanting to stay domestic.


for kids that aren't top shelf it can be. but the elite 5 stars shouldn't be thinking about G-League until they make it more viable.
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Post#1973 » by Marcus » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:22 am

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Fischella wrote:I know people, that's where, I think Todd is 80/20 on going pro, Green I think 100% going pro imo


makes all the sense in the world for Jalen to go. I think it's his best bet. Wide open game, sooooper marketable kid, and a game that's extremely appealing to the eye.

it'd make sense for Christopher too imo, but he is a Cali kid through and through, may stay home and go to UCLA even though he would have to play for Cronin :lol:


Josh should definitely go overseas. not sure his game translates that well into college.
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Post#1974 » by GimmeDat » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:42 am

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makes all the sense in the world for Jalen to go. I think it's his best bet. Wide open game, sooooper marketable kid, and a game that's extremely appealing to the eye.

it'd make sense for Christopher too imo, but he is a Cali kid through and through, may stay home and go to UCLA even though he would have to play for Cronin :lol:


Josh should definitely go overseas. not sure his game translates that well into college.


https://www.desertsun.com/story/sports/high-school/basketball/2019/12/28/josh-christopher-says-playing-overseas-a-lot-more-common/2764992001/

Sounds like college is a done deal from this
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Post#1975 » by Marcus » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:51 am

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Fischella wrote:it'd make sense for Christopher too imo, but he is a Cali kid through and through, may stay home and go to UCLA even though he would have to play for Cronin :lol:


Josh should definitely go overseas. not sure his game translates that well into college.


https://www.desertsun.com/story/sports/high-school/basketball/2019/12/28/josh-christopher-says-playing-overseas-a-lot-more-common/2764992001/

Sounds like college is a done deal from this


fair enough. maybe he signs to USC and plays with the Mobleys.
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Post#1976 » by Justwar » Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:47 am

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clyde21 wrote:
Marcus wrote:just glad to see these kids take this type of control over how they go forward with their futures.


yea, wish there was a better option for them other than having to move across the world for a year, but at least it's something...


Curious if anyone is going to take the 125k route for the G League? 125k for 5 months of playing ball aint too bad of an option. Just the travel sucks and the exposure is bad.


Too much to lose for really what amounts is 40k. Playing against grown men when only a couple really could compete in the nba immediately is risky.
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Post#1977 » by CalL » Wed Jan 1, 2020 7:50 pm

Fischella wrote:JC Montero is probably the best Guard prospect in Europe


You think he has more potential than Hayes and Maledon? :-o
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Post#1978 » by No-Man » Wed Jan 1, 2020 8:24 pm

CalL wrote:
Fischella wrote:JC Montero is probably the best Guard prospect in Europe


You think he has more potential than Hayes and Maledon? :-o

Easily yes
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Post#1979 » by CalL » Thu Jan 2, 2020 1:28 pm

Fischella wrote:
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Fischella wrote:JC Montero is probably the best Guard prospect in Europe


You think he has more potential than Hayes and Maledon? :-o

Easily yes


I guess it is no coincidence that you are saying this right when the ANGT is taking place?



Personally i wouldn't put too much emphasis on his performance there, considering that this was easily the worst of all the ANGTs and that many guys who looked amazing at this level never amounted to anything. I don't know if you consider Avidja a guard, but he certainly was more impressive than Montero at this level. You said "... is probably the best ...", so if you think that he easily has more potential than Hayes and Maledon, then there must be someone else you consider clearly more talented than Hayes/Maledon or otherwise you would have said "... is definitely the best ...". So who do you consider closest to Montero in terms of potential?
Also lately european (i know that Montero isn't european, but he is part of the european system, so i will consider him european for the sake of the argument) non-bigs haven't been doing great in the NBA. I think in the past decade there were maybe 5 european non-bigs who were drafted and became good NBA players (Doncic, Schröder, 2 x Bogdanovic, Fournier), while you have tons of european bigs who were drafted and became good NBA players (Valanciunas, Vucevic, Mirotic, Gobert, Giannis, Nurkic, Capela, Jokic, Porzingis, Sabonis, Zubac), so as an NBA executive i would be very cautious when it comes to drafting european non-bigs.
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Post#1980 » by No-Man » Thu Jan 2, 2020 1:39 pm

Nah, not only due to ANGT, I have been watching him with Gran Canaria's Junior team as well

And no, this was not the worst of all ANGTs lol, there was a bunch of talent there in Valencia

And nope, Avdija is obviously not a guard lol

I would take Juan Nuñez over Hayes and Maledon too, without thinking much

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