The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

[GuideDog]

Is there any doubt the biggest reason for this team's failures is Ben Simmons? A point guard who can't breakdown defenses in the half court game either by shooting or driving makes life harder for everyone else. I'm not saying Ben isn't talented. He's ridiculously talented. But he is a major liability for us on offense. At least fake like you might shoot it, otherwise it's always 4 on 5 with him on the court. That forces everyone else to work crazy hard to get a good shot. His deficiencies becomes most obvious in the end game senarios.[/quote

There is a book I love called Talent is overrated. In one chapter it talks about Jerry Rice and how his workout routine in the off season were so intense. Other players used to come train with him and just not be able to keep up. He said a lot of his work ethic came from the fact that he was from a small school and a small town and no one thought he would be as good as he turned out to be. So he had to work hard to stay on top. Tom Brady said that he just hoped one day he would be able to start in the NFL.

The point is. Ben is as you said ridiculously talented. But he has been handed the keys everywhere he has gone. He has never had to work ridiculously hard for anything basketball related. So he probably does not know how to work really hard. Working hard and sticking with it is a skill. A skill that Ben probably has not mastered yet. And he just can't see his flaws yet.

In that case Ben needs a coach that will push him hard and demand high standards instead on coddling him. If you wait for Ben to arrive on his own time, it will never happen. If the team doesn't think Ben can be pushed and challenged to raise his game, then they need to unload him while his value is high

[ConstableChaos]

This guy is a moron - and he is in my top handful of fave players on the league

Surely someone has been in is ear saying his ceiling is legit top 25 all time if he learns to shoot? He's just happy being top 25 in his weight class and being 'unique'







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[ConstableChaos]

Does he make the 2020's decade team?

[Eyeamok]

This guy is a moron - and he is in my top handful of fave players on the league

Surely someone has been in is ear saying his ceiling is legit top 25 all time if he learns to shoot? He's just happy being top 25 in his weight class and being 'unique'







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Not necessarily a moron. Just kind of entitled, probably has never had to work hard for anything basketball related and his level of self awareness is just not where the team needs it to be.

[Kobblehead]

https://clutchpoints.com/pelicans-news-brandon-ingram-reacts-to-motherfers-getting-extensions/

“When we talked about the extension, of course, I’m human,” Ingram told ESPN’s Andrew Lopez. “When I look at other guys, I’m like, ‘This motherf***** got an extension? Oh my god. Man, we can lace up right now and play one-on-one to 15 and this motherf***** won’t score.’ That’s how I looked at it as a competitor.”

I bet Simmons is one of the players he had in mind when making this statement. With Brown and Ingram taking veiled and not-so-veiled shots at Simmons, he needs to respond by playing like a star like they have.

[shlo]

https://clutchpoints.com/pelicans-news-brandon-ingram-reacts-to-motherfers-getting-extensions/

“When we talked about the extension, of course, I’m human,” Ingram told ESPN’s Andrew Lopez. “When I look at other guys, I’m like, ‘This motherf***** got an extension? Oh my god. Man, we can lace up right now and play one-on-one to 15 and this motherf***** won’t score.’ That’s how I looked at it as a competitor.”

I bet Simmons is one of the players he had in mind when making this statement. With Brown and Ingram taking veiled and not-so-veiled shots at Simmons, he needs to respond by playing like a star like they have.

Brandon Ingram has really improved his game. IMPROVE. That's something Simmons seems completely unwilling to do. He is not evolving as a player at all.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

https://clutchpoints.com/pelicans-news-brandon-ingram-reacts-to-motherfers-getting-extensions/

“When we talked about the extension, of course, I’m human,” Ingram told ESPN’s Andrew Lopez. “When I look at other guys, I’m like, ‘This motherf***** got an extension? Oh my god. Man, we can lace up right now and play one-on-one to 15 and this motherf***** won’t score.’ That’s how I looked at it as a competitor.”

I bet Simmons is one of the players he had in mind when making this statement. With Brown and Ingram taking veiled and not-so-veiled shots at Simmons, he needs to respond by playing like a star like they have.

100% agree! This is coming from a Simmons supporter too. Ingram is quickly headed towards stardom, Doncic is setting the world on fire, Michael Porter just had a coming out party! Ben SHOULD be right with these guys in terms of the next wave of superstar talent, but he's towards the back at this point. People are right about him...He needs a fire lit under him.

[Negrodamus]

https://clutchpoints.com/pelicans-news-brandon-ingram-reacts-to-motherfers-getting-extensions/

“When we talked about the extension, of course, I’m human,” Ingram told ESPN’s Andrew Lopez. “When I look at other guys, I’m like, ‘This motherf***** got an extension? Oh my god. Man, we can lace up right now and play one-on-one to 15 and this motherf***** won’t score.’ That’s how I looked at it as a competitor.”

I bet Simmons is one of the players he had in mind when making this statement. With Brown and Ingram taking veiled and not-so-veiled shots at Simmons, he needs to respond by playing like a star like they have.

100% agree! This is coming from a Simmons supporter too. Ingram is quickly headed towards stardom, Doncic is setting the world on fire, Michael Porter just had a coming out party! Ben SHOULD be right with these guys in terms of the next wave of superstar talent, but he's towards the back at this point. People are right about him...He needs a fire lit under him.

I don't know Ben, but I'm probably going to guess that he feels he's right with these guys as budding superstars. He's averaging a near triple double and has good defensive stats. What he doesn't realize is that near triple double stats doesn't equate to winning games.

[eagereyez]

Is there any doubt the biggest reason for this team's failures is Ben Simmons? A point guard who can't breakdown defenses in the half court game either by shooting or driving makes life harder for everyone else. I'm not saying Ben isn't talented. He's ridiculously talented. But he is a major liability for us on offense. At least fake like you might shoot it, otherwise it's always 4 on 5 with him on the court. That forces everyone else to work crazy hard to get a good shot. His deficiencies becomes most obvious in the end game senarios.[/quote

There is a book I love called Talent is overrated. In one chapter it talks about Jerry Rice and how his workout routine in the off season were so intense. Other players used to come train with him and just not be able to keep up. He said a lot of his work ethic came from the fact that he was from a small school and a small town and no one thought he would be as good as he turned out to be. So he had to work hard to stay on top. Tom Brady said that he just hoped one day he would be able to start in the NFL.

The point is. Ben is as you said ridiculously talented. But he has been handed the keys everywhere he has gone. He has never had to work ridiculously hard for anything basketball related. So he probably does not know how to work really hard. Working hard and sticking with it is a skill. A skill that Ben probably has not mastered yet. And he just can't see his flaws yet.

In that case Ben needs a coach that will push him hard and demand high standards instead on coddling him. If you wait for Ben to arrive on his own time, it will never happen. If the team doesn't think Ben can be pushed and challenged to raise his game, then they need to unload him while his value is high

Brown is in a tough spot. He publicly pleaded with Simmons to shoot more and Simmons refuses to do so. What else is Brown supposed to do? If he pisses Simmons off, Simmons can ask that Brown be fired or demand a trade. When it comes down to star talent vs coaches, the coach loses 9/10 times. This is all on Simmons for not listening to his coach and teammates. The only one who might be capable of putting him in his place is Embiid.

[eyeatoma]

In that case Ben needs a coach that will push him hard and demand high standards instead on coddling him. If you wait for Ben to arrive on his own time, it will never happen. If the team doesn't think Ben can be pushed and challenged to raise his game, then they need to unload him while his value is high

Brown is in a tough spot. He publicly pleaded with Simmons to shoot more and Simmons refuses to do so. What else is Brown supposed to do? If he pisses Simmons off, Simmons can ask that Brown be fired or demand a trade. When it comes down to star talent vs coaches, the coach loses 9/10 times. This is all on Simmons for not listening to his coach and teammates. The only one who might be capable of putting him in his place is Embiid.

Simmons isn't good enough to get Brown fired. He needs to prove he's with it first. Now if Embiid said it, it would happen. The most logical step this summer is to fire Brown if we don't make the ecf and trade Simmons. Could also hire another coach and keep Simmons but I feel like Embiid will demand a trade.

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

Brown isn't in a tough spot at all, Simmons is locked up for 5 years, he can demand a trade and they can laugh at him. Brown is just too familiar/friendly with Ben, he coached his father and will coach Ben for Australia's national team. Any other coach would have cut Simmons playing time after publicly demanding him to shoot and him not listening.

In that case Ben needs a coach that will push him hard and demand high standards instead on coddling him. If you wait for Ben to arrive on his own time, it will never happen. If the team doesn't think Ben can be pushed and challenged to raise his game, then they need to unload him while his value is high

Brown is in a tough spot. He publicly pleaded with Simmons to shoot more and Simmons refuses to do so. What else is Brown supposed to do? If he pisses Simmons off, Simmons can ask that Brown be fired or demand a trade. When it comes down to star talent vs coaches, the coach loses 9/10 times. This is all on Simmons for not listening to his coach and teammates. The only one who might be capable of putting him in his place is Embiid.

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[keevsnick1]

So first off I'm not a sixers fan, but I do find this Ben Simmons thing fascinating. He's clearly an immense talent, with one obvious flaw that makes him a tough fit for your current team. It looks to me as if he doesn't shoot/hasn't learned to shoot because he's perhaps a little arrogant. ie "Why should I, i'm already a star! I will do this MY way."

Really what you guys should be rooting for is Ben Simmons NOT to be selected to all star and perhaps Jaylen Brown/Brandon Ingram to be selected. Maybe the reality check of Simmons not making it while the 2/3 picks in his draft class do would ignite some change.

[ProcessDoctor]

At this point, I'm just hoping some star who's a better fit will become available.

Damian Lillard: Stop wasting your career in Portland.

[eyeatoma]

So first off I'm not a sixers fan, but I do find this Ben Simmons thing fascinating. He's clearly an immense talent, with one obvious flaw that makes him a tough fit for your current team. It looks to me as if he doesn't shoot/hasn't learned to shoot because he's perhaps a little arrogant. ie "Why should I, i'm already a star! I will do this MY way."

Really what you guys should be rooting for is Ben Simmons NOT to be selected to all star and perhaps Jaylen Brown/Brandon Ingram to be selected. Maybe the reality check of Simmons not making it while the 2/3 picks in his draft class do would ignite some change.

Yup I agree. I posted this a page or two ago on this thread.

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[eyeatoma]

At this point, I'm just hoping some star who's a better fit will become available.

Damian Lillard: Stop wasting your career in Portland.

We're not getting Dame for Ben Simmons.

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[ProcessDoctor]

At this point, I'm just hoping some star who's a better fit will become available.

Damian Lillard: Stop wasting your career in Portland.

We're not getting Dame for Ben Simmons.

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Name an available piece better than Ben Simmons.

[DaSixers]

At this point, I'm just hoping some star who's a better fit will become available.

Damian Lillard: Stop wasting your career in Portland.

Whats crazy is.. dame hashad more success in the playoffs than the sixers have had, but people act otherwise

Also, ya, simmons isnt enough to make portland even think about dame. If we arent careful, simmons will soon be looked at as a negative piece

[ProcessDoctor]

Why are people acting like Simmons is a bad player? There aren't 30 players in the league better than him.

The issue here is fit, and it's extra frustrating to us (Philly) because his weakness happens to be holding us back from contention. That does not mean the rest of the league views him in the same light.

[Negrodamus]

What kills me is that Brandon Clarke is shooting like two 3PA per game. For those of you not up on Clarke's career, here's what he looked like shooting at San Jose State:

Read on Twitter

Then he transferred to Gonzaga and here was his shot:

Watch on YouTube

;t=1m38s

How is it that a truly horrendous shooter can turn into a decent one? Perhaps it's because he had to work unbelievably hard to make it in the NBA. I'm not even looking for the 40+% and 77% FT that Clarke is. I just want him to be mediocre at shooting.

[Mik317]

naw Ben is still young enough that someone will always think they can "fix" him.

despite our own angst; Ben is still an attractive start over piece due to his defensive upside and the ability for his new squad to truly cater to him without worrying about winning. A lot of our current anger is due to this team trying to compete for a championship this season. If Portland moves on from Dame (and I doubt they will...I think everyone else will be on the market before the guy who wants to play in **** Portland; can't trade away a loyal star when you are in a small market), it will be to start over...Ben, flaws and all, is a damn good way to do that because it gives him time and damn near forces his stubborn ass to actually work on his jumper as the defacto best player on a sinking ship.

Ben as is isnt a guy a team would trade for to contend asap..but rather a good building block to a rebuild. I have always said that in a sick irony..Embiid being as good as he is so soon accelerated everything too fast. That 16 game winning streak(albeit w/o JoJo lol) gave this FO a taste of that Playoff money and it pushed the rebuild ahead too soon and thus lacking development hurts even more. Not to mention the missed years both dudes had which meant they came up on their extensions before we really got a good look at them..it worked out w/ Embiid, who may be a bargain right now....not looking to great with Ben lol.

But thats the most frustrating thing about Ben. I am personally low key done with hoping his dumb ass starts to shoot BUT there is always that "what if doe" in the back of my mind. I am also a Brett guy...or was but I also wonder what would happen if we got a real basketball savant coach in...would that raise us to the next level ala Budd did for Giannis? IDK. Dame is the only "realistic" target I would be happy with trading Ben for (don't think Booker is realistic) that wouldn't have me second guessing things because I know this lame would go elsewhere and start chucking 5s and ****.