Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[Coxy]

I'm sure it's just coincidence and the players are hurt but...
Isn't it odd that WCS, DLO for Warriors and Wiggins didn't play in the Wolves game. I think there is a bit of smoke there....and maybe something is being hashed out in a trade between the teams....Conspiracy...yes!

[Mylie10]

Like what?

Whatever you want, within reason lol.

And I've been hard on you, so irregardless of a bet, I will back off.

I meant what are we betting about Ky Bowman? Does it something to do with Jacob Evans?

Well based on your statement....."They will let Bowman go"

I'm saying they will NOT let him go and they WILL keep him.

Of course they'll need to find a way, but they aren't gonna let him go.

Whatever happens with Evans as far as trade or no trade depends on other factors, like demand (which there isn't any), and/or part of a bigger deal (which we can't know right now).

But he isn't going to be our backup point guard going into next season. That I can guarantee. Even if he's bringing up the ball here and there, he is NOT the backup point guard.

[jason bourne]

Whatever you want, within reason lol.

And I've been hard on you, so irregardless of a bet, I will back off.

I meant what are we betting about Ky Bowman? Does it something to do with Jacob Evans?

Well based on your statement....."They will let Bowman go"

I'm saying they will NOT let him go and they WILL keep him.

Of course they'll need to find a way, but they aren't gonna let him go.

Whatever happens with Evans as far as trade or no trade depends on other factors, like demand (which there isn't any), and/or part of a bigger deal (which we can't know right now).

But he isn't going to be our backup point guard going into next season. That I can guarantee. Even if he's bringing up the ball here and there, he is NOT the backup point guard.

You're taking things out of context. The Ws are trying to trade Burks and GRob in order to get Bowman and Lee on the roster. The Ws are also trying to stay out of repeater's lux tax. Not a great situation to be in if they want picks back in trade. I'd think they will keep Evans over Bowman if it came to that which is what I meant. I figure they let Chriss go this month.

[clyde21]

I'm sure it's just coincidence and the players are hurt but...
Isn't it odd that WCS, DLO for Warriors and Wiggins didn't play in the Wolves game. I think there is a bit of smoke there....and maybe something is being hashed out in a trade between the teams....Conspiracy...yes!

dear lord let's hope so

[cdubbz]

Pistons looking to trade Drummond. Woo hoo

[wco81]

I mean we have to be prepared for the worst case scenario that they're unable to trade Dlo and they end up with a #3 to #7 pick that they can't trade either.

Or that Klay doesn't come back fully healthy or that Curry's efficiency drops quite a bit.

[whatisacenter]

I mean we have to be prepared for the worst case scenario that they're unable to trade Dlo and they end up with a #3 to #7 pick that they can't trade either.

Or that Klay doesn't come back fully healthy or that Curry's efficiency drops quite a bit.

[xdrta+]

I meant what are we betting about Ky Bowman? Does it something to do with Jacob Evans?

Well based on your statement....."They will let Bowman go"

I'm saying they will NOT let him go and they WILL keep him.

Of course they'll need to find a way, but they aren't gonna let him go.

Whatever happens with Evans as far as trade or no trade depends on other factors, like demand (which there isn't any), and/or part of a bigger deal (which we can't know right now).

But he isn't going to be our backup point guard going into next season. That I can guarantee. Even if he's bringing up the ball here and there, he is NOT the backup point guard.

You're taking things out of context. The Ws are trying to trade Burks and GRob in order to get Bowman and Lee on the roster. The Ws are also trying to stay out of repeater's lux tax. Not a great situation to be in if they want picks back in trade. I'd think they will keep Evans over Bowman if it came to that which is what I meant. I figure they let Chriss go this month.

They have 4 days to waive Chriss, or his contract becomes guaranteed.

[wco81]

They have 4 days to waive Chriss, or his contract becomes guaranteed.

He's on a minimum salary so what advantage would they gain by cutting him?

They still need someone to fill those minutes at 4 or 5 don't they, so would they have to bring in someone else?

Or would they be able to convert one of the 2-way deals?

[ChuckDurn]

He's on a minimum salary so what advantage would they gain by cutting him?

They still need someone to fill those minutes at 4 or 5 don't they, so would they have to bring in someone else?

Or would they be able to convert one of the 2-way deals?

They'd be able to convert one of Bowman or Lee to a regular contract, and no longer be subject to the 45-day limit...... which both guys are really close to reaching. (I think both are within about a week or so).

But I doubt they waive Chriss. More likely, they just bide their time until they are able to trade at least one of Burks or WCS, and then convert them both. And until they do so, they'll just have Bowman play in the G-League (and Lee sit out). Their depth at guard will be limited (they could bring Poole back up to "help" with that, i.e. help to command the tank).

[xdrta+]

He's on a minimum salary so what advantage would they gain by cutting him?

They still need someone to fill those minutes at 4 or 5 don't they, so would they have to bring in someone else?

Or would they be able to convert one of the 2-way deals?

Yeah, they could actually sqeeze in both 2-ways on minimum pro-rated deals, but more likely they would sign one now, Lee I would think, to fill the roster spot, then the other a little later. Since what they've already paid Chriss, about 711k, counts against their cap, signing both would be very tight indeed. But with the pro-rating of their salaries, every day they get a little more room.

That being said, I don't think they'll let Chriss go. Much more likely, IMO, they trade Burks and/or GR3, and create a little more flexibility. Chriss is 22 and they seem to think he has a future.

[wco81]

If they trade one of the vets to a playoffs contender, just to be able to keep one of the 2-way guys, and they play well in the playoffs for their new team, I would be livid.

[freypies]

Lol, I honestly liked our offense best under Mike Brown. He simplified things and let Curry/Durant take more control in the 2017 PS while still utilizing ball movement. I'm not saying we need Mike Brown as our Head Coach, but I think it may be worth having Kerr try something that differs from his usual style a little bit.

You're kind of new around here I think, but the last several posts were us joking about coaching. We know Kerr is a really good coach.

I like Kerr, but it is sometimes frustrating watching his out-of-timeout plays, and especially how adamant he was to run the offense through Durant for the first few games against Houston when we always do better offensively when it runs through Curry. Some of his rotations in 2016 Cavs series also confused me a little.

He is a good coach, but I personally do not think he is on that Pop/Carlisle/Spo/Nurse/Stevens/Bud level.

[watch1958]

Any thoughts on what the plan is with Bowman? Back on 12/13, Kerr talked about how they only had 13 more games left with Bowman, and how it didn't make sense to use them up now, so they sent him to Santa Cruz.

Fast forward 3 weeks, and they brought him back and he has played 6 more games.

The reasons behind the earlier statement are still true. Makes me think that they have decide on an approach, or narrowed it down to a few options, where it doesn't matter whether he plays now or not.

The things I can think of are
1)They have a deal, or deals set up that are pretty firm, or
2)They are willing to send him back to Santa Cruz when his days are used up, and wait until they can afford the prorated balance of his contract (I read March somewhere) or
3)they'll cut Chriss.

I think the last is unlikely. Numbers don't mean that much by themselves, but Chriss has been putting up great numbers.
4th on the team in PER
3rd in TS%
1st in FT attempt rate per FG
3rd in OR%
1st in DR%
1st in TR%
5th in Assist % (the 4 ahead are Draymond & Curry, DLo, Bowman
2nd in block %

In most categories he is either having career bests, or is well above his career averages.

I know every stat has its weaknesses. But when a kid who is only 22 and who was a mid lottery pick is showing that much, it seems he isn't someone to cut.

Any other ideas on what they might have in mind?

[BballIntellect]

Lol, I honestly liked our offense best under Mike Brown. He simplified things and let Curry/Durant take more control in the 2017 PS while still utilizing ball movement. I'm not saying we need Mike Brown as our Head Coach, but I think it may be worth having Kerr try something that differs from his usual style a little bit.

You're kind of new around here I think, but the last several posts were us joking about coaching. We know Kerr is a really good coach.

I like Kerr, but it is sometimes frustrating watching his out-of-timeout plays, and especially how adamant he was to run the offense through Durant for the first few games against Houston when we always do better offensively when it runs through Curry. Some of his rotations in 2016 Cavs series also confused me a little.

He is a good coach, but I personally do not think he is on that Pop/Carlisle/Spo/Nurse/Stevens/Bud level.

I'll always say having a good coach is important but having talent on your roster is everything. You can have as good as a coach as you want on your team, if he doesn't at the very least have a Top 10 player to work with, there's almost no way he wins a championship.

Kerr is a great coach but he also came to a formidable situation at the right moment. Both things can be true. Getting him was the right move and got us three championships.

Also I don't think Mark Jackson would've led us to a championship with his stupid offense. He didn't maximize the players abilities and the team's potential. We would've improved if we kept him but we wouldn't have been the juggernauts we were without KD.

Now once KD came to the team, put any coach in the league in place of Kerr and it results in championships too. Especially the first year.

They had so much more talent than anyone else. Mike Brown led the Warriors to a 12-0 record during the 2017 playoffs before Kerr came back. It wouldn't have mattered whether Kerr was back to coach or not as the Warriors were so much better than everyone else and they were blowing teams out like it was nothing.

I like to judge a coach where there isn't such a disparity in terms of talent like we saw last year in the Western Conference Finals and in the Finals without KD. You learn much more about the coach in those situations.

[BballIntellect]

Any thoughts on what the plan is with Bowman? Back on 12/13, Kerr talked about how they only had 13 more games left with Bowman, and how it didn't make sense to use them up now, so they sent him to Santa Cruz.

Fast forward 3 weeks, and they brought him back and he has played 6 more games.

The reasons behind the earlier statement are still true. Makes me think that they have decide on an approach, or narrowed it down to a few options, where it doesn't matter whether he plays now or not.

The things I can think of are
1)They have a deal, or deals set up that are pretty firm, or
2)They are willing to send him back to Santa Cruz when his days are used up, and wait until they can afford the prorated balance of his contract (I read March somewhere) or
3)they'll cut Chriss.

I think the last is unlikely. Numbers don't mean that much by themselves, but Chriss has been putting up great numbers.
4th on the team in PER
3rd in TS%
1st in FT attempt rate per FG
3rd in OR%
1st in DR%
1st in TR%
5th in Assist % (the 4 ahead are Draymond & Curry, DLo, Bowman
2nd in block %

In most categories he is either having career bests, or is well above his career averages.

I know every stat has its weaknesses. But when a kid who is only 22 and who was a mid lottery pick is showing that much, it seems he isn't someone to cut.

Any other ideas on what they might have in mind?

Chriss isn't getting cut. I think they want to see him with an healthy Steph and Draymond in the lineup to see if he is worth keeping next year.

[azwfan]

Damion Jones spent 2 years in the Dleague (where he was injured for most of the 1st season) and one 1 season with the club. Then he WAS traded... equivalent to Evans getting dealt... this off season. Don't really see the Jones comparison.

This is what I was getting at, but not being traded like Damian Jones was. That came later. Jones was considered to be a future Warriors is what I was getting at. Thus, the Ws let JaVale McGee walk even though he was willing to take the minimum because he loved being a Warrior.

Look at what happened because the brass wanted to keep Jacob Evans so far. Ws lost Danuel House Jr. to the Rockets. Ws let Kendrick Nunn go before really giving him a chance. Now, we have Ky Bowman and they will let him go or trade him. He's not even a contract player. I don't think they'll even consider trading Jacob Evans.

At this point i'm not sure if you really just follow the team this loosely or this is some kind of jedi-mind-trick-troll-job you are attempting.

I'll bite regardless.
Evans was drafted in the summer of 2018 as a SG/SF. Both House (SF) and Nunn (SG) were in training camp with the final roster spots that season going to... drum roll please... Alfonzo McKinnie and <nobody>. Yes, the feared - open roster spot was more deserving than Nunn and House. Evans had nothing to do with it. And more to the point PG-of-the-future Evans wasn't a thing until we discovered he couldn't contribute at the NBA level as a SG/SF... that experiement started THIS summer (Nunn and House LONG gone). I hate it when facts get in the way of a good... or in this case a disjointed, nonsensical theory.

[azwfan]

Any thoughts on what the plan is with Bowman? Back on 12/13, Kerr talked about how they only had 13 more games left with Bowman, and how it didn't make sense to use them up now, so they sent him to Santa Cruz.

Fast forward 3 weeks, and they brought him back and he has played 6 more games.

The reasons behind the earlier statement are still true. Makes me think that they have decide on an approach, or narrowed it down to a few options, where it doesn't matter whether he plays now or not.

The things I can think of are
1)They have a deal, or deals set up that are pretty firm, or
2)They are willing to send him back to Santa Cruz when his days are used up, and wait until they can afford the prorated balance of his contract (I read March somewhere) or
3)they'll cut Chriss.

I think the last is unlikely. Numbers don't mean that much by themselves, but Chriss has been putting up great numbers.
4th on the team in PER
3rd in TS%
1st in FT attempt rate per FG
3rd in OR%
1st in DR%
1st in TR%
5th in Assist % (the 4 ahead are Draymond & Curry, DLo, Bowman
2nd in block %

In most categories he is either having career bests, or is well above his career averages.

I know every stat has its weaknesses. But when a kid who is only 22 and who was a mid lottery pick is showing that much, it seems he isn't someone to cut.

Any other ideas on what they might have in mind?

Regarding Bowman, i think a number of things are going on...

1) More injuries. Russell has been injured.
2) Evans is terrible.
3) Quite simply we need an adequate PG to get any kind of read on any of the other players.

I'm not sure how the organization feels about him as a prospect. Personally i'd rank our youngsters (1st/2nd year guys + Chriss) as follows:

Paschall
Smiley
Bowman
Chriss
Spellman
<gap the size of 99% of the Gleague players>
Evans
<gap the size of the remaining Gleague players>
Poole

Unfortunately for Bowman and the Warriors, the two guys with the entire Gleague better than them both have guaranteed contracts.

I've been operating under the impression that they will trade someone to make sure they can keep Bowman... but even if they have the same rankings i have... they may feel that nobody below Smiley and Paschall is even worth any effort (I think this may have been a point Clyde made in some thread). Not sure where they draw their line. Personally, i can see Bowman being a contributor (backup to 3rd string pg) on a contender next year. And would feel better about him getting minutes in a playoff game than i did of Quinn Cook or <insert name of the other small guard we had that went to NO as a FA before we got Cook>. But I don't see him practice, nor see how he interacts with the team. On the court, he looks promising to me.

[xdrta+]

Of course, regarding the 2-ways, Bowman and Lee, the Warriors don't have to do anything to keep them for next year, except tender a qualifying offer to them to make them RFAs. For Lee a QO would be a minimum salary NBA contract, for Bowman a standard 2-way contract. The only benefit of making room on the roster and converting them now is that they can play the rest of the season with the big club. But as RFAs it's a pretty good bet they would be back, since I doubt anyone is going to be offering them pricey contracts.

[TB]

Let’s go ahead and help the Bucks win the title so Giannis won’t feel bad about leaving for the Bay in a year or two.

Burks, WCS, GR3 for Brown, Korver, Pacers pick