Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[Andrew McCeltic]

I loved the idea of Charlotte getting Drummond as a free agent.. thought Atlanta would throw dollars at Favors. Is there a specific trade rumor yet? Reddish/expirings?

[Wes-J]

Amusing the Brown trade fantasies that will never happen.

How funny some in here are talking about Brown "continuing" to elevate his level of play at this young age and wanting to TRADE him for this available mythical top 10 player that doesn't exist.

If he continues to get better I have a novel idea.. LET'S HANG ON TO HIM.

Isnt the whole purpose of this thread to discuss trade fantasies? Everyone knows were not making serious moves this year [or likely in the summer], so why not discuss hypotheticals to further your understanding of a player and his value?

Further, if people are saying that they’d trade him for a really great player, that means they think Brown, too, is a really great player. Its not an insult.

Group think sucks. We shouldnt all have homogenous opinions on our players.

Have no way of knowing exactly what ainge thinks but if he feels he's got a couple of top 20 players in the making (who knows top 10), I highly doubt he's even thinking about moving either for a currently better player. Feels like the perception is across the board is that ainge has some kind of itchy trigger finger. Don't think it's happening. Brown ain't going nowhere. Magic bag ain't getting his wish because ainge knows what he's doing, hence the contract.

Imagine if the GSW were broken up because the GM got impatient.

I did mention I would love the idea of KAT here, but the idea is just that. I'd rather just keep the guys we have and fine tune a couple spots.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Saw someone point out the Pistons are only the 20th best rebounding team in the league - forgot that was an analytics discovery (IIRC) - that an elite rebounder is frequently just grabbing all the rebounds his team was going to get anyway - someone like Drummond just gobbles up all the available defensive boards.

[MagicBagley18]

Amusing the Brown trade fantasies that will never happen.

How funny some in here are talking about Brown "continuing" to elevate his level of play at this young age and wanting to TRADE him for this available mythical top 10 player that doesn't exist.

If he continues to get better I have a novel idea.. LET'S HANG ON TO HIM.

Isnt the whole purpose of this thread to discuss trade fantasies? Everyone knows were not making serious moves this year [or likely in the summer], so why not discuss hypotheticals to further your understanding of a player and his value?

Further, if people are saying that they’d trade him for a really great player, that means they think Brown, too, is a really great player. Its not an insult.

Group think sucks. We shouldnt all have homogenous opinions on our players.

Have no way of knowing exactly what ainge thinks but if he feels he's got a couple of top 20 players in the making (who knows top 10), I highly doubt he's even thinking about moving either for a currently better player. Feels like the perception is across the board is that ainge has some kind of itchy trigger finger. Don't think it's happening. Brown ain't going nowhere. Magic bag ain't getting his wish because ainge knows what he's doing, hence the contract.

Imagine if the GSW were broken up because the GM got impatient.

I did mention I would love the idea of KAT here, but the idea is just that. I'd rather just keep the guys we have and fine tune a couple spots.

My wish is BOTH players become stars. It’s laughable u compare Jaylen to Klay or curry but hey you’re good for that. I root for Jaylen to have star or superstar success just don’t think he will.

Your just so blinded my faith hope and blind homerism you can’t be objective but it’s ok I’ve stopped taking you seriously a long time ago fan boy

[Wes-J]

Isnt the whole purpose of this thread to discuss trade fantasies? Everyone knows were not making serious moves this year [or likely in the summer], so why not discuss hypotheticals to further your understanding of a player and his value?

Further, if people are saying that they’d trade him for a really great player, that means they think Brown, too, is a really great player. Its not an insult.

Group think sucks. We shouldnt all have homogenous opinions on our players.

Have no way of knowing exactly what ainge thinks but if he feels he's got a couple of top 20 players in the making (who knows top 10), I highly doubt he's even thinking about moving either for a currently better player. Feels like the perception is across the board is that ainge has some kind of itchy trigger finger. Don't think it's happening. Brown ain't going nowhere. Magic bag ain't getting his wish because ainge knows what he's doing, hence the contract.

Imagine if the GSW were broken up because the GM got impatient.

I did mention I would love the idea of KAT here, but the idea is just that. I'd rather just keep the guys we have and fine tune a couple spots.

My wish is BOTH players become stars. It’s laughable u compare Jaylen to Klay or curry but hey you’re good for that. I root for Jaylen to have star or superstar success just don’t think he will.

Your just so blinded my faith hope and blind homerism you can’t be objective but it’s ok I’ve stopped taking you seriously a long time ago fan boy

It's laughable that you don't get I'm comparing the situation, the philosophical stance of what a GM is facing. The GSW didn't know what exactly they had before they became a dynasty. They had foresight, they had a vision to build a roster with staying power not overthink it and trade core pieces.

Funny you calling me a fanboy of a 23yd old player on the verge of all-stardom. A Boston Celtic player no less.

Sorry if I don't find your best wishes for Jaylen sincere, but since I'm beneath you I'll take my leave and put you on ignore for good.

[Andrew McCeltic]

The Warriors? Idk.. their management is good, but.. Steve Kerr unlocked that team. They were a 50-something win also ran and Draymond looked like an ok prospect..

[Dogen]

Are Kemba/Hayward/Brown/Tatum/Drummond enough to win it all this year? I'd say that is a team that could certainly challenge Milwaukee, LA's, etc, but the gamble would be on chemistry, fitting Andre into the system, and then of course the aftermath next year when several players are looking to be paid.

So as an all in scenario, I'd consider the Drummond Now plan, but I think it's unlikely the C's will pursue a move as it's not the best long term deal.

If the price is Smart, Kanter, Poirier, Ojeleye & Edwards plus a bevy of picks, I'd do it (reluctantly, I'm a Smart & Kanter stan too).

Detroit will get better offers than what I'd be willing to part with of course, but you can't blame Danny for looking into it. Drummond could really blossom into a more well-rounded player outside of Detroit. Surrounded by our four main guys and in coach Brad's system, he'd be an absolute beast going to the rim (although not so great for floor spacing, thus Theis is not in the deal). I'd love to Andre him on the Celtics, just doubt there is any kind of reasonable deal to be made between the teams.

[Ed Pinkney]

Drummond is not a winning basketball player. He looks disinterested or just going through the motions too much for someone with that much talent, making that much money. And players like Embiid seem to have a field day against him.

[Andrew McCeltic]

We could also be interested in Drummond as a way to keep aware of other trade possibilities.. Towns and Love have been in the mill, Zubac, Adams and Capela before that, Aldridge a little..

With that many big men near the trading block, there’s a chance for a three or four team deal..

Say, Hayward and Drummond to Phoenix, Tyler Johnson, Oubre, Kaminsky, MIL 1st to Detroit, Ayton, Tony Snell to Boston.

Phoenix doesn’t want to waste Booker’s prime, they add two vets to make a run now - both have opt-outs, but the grass isn’t going to get much greener anywhere else. Detroit gets a competent wing in Oubre, a 1st, and cap relief. We turn Hayward and a late 1st into one bad roleplayer deal (Snell) and a rookie contract center prospect by being in the right place at the right time.

It doesn’t seem like it should work but based on the rumored price for Drummond and the net gain for the Suns, it almost does..

[KGtabake]

I would be interested in Vucevic if Magic continue to be a treadmill.
Ithink they will move from him eventually but idk if that time is this season. They have Mamba they want to develop and they can get value back from Vuc.

[Floody100]

We could also be interested in Drummond as a way to keep aware of other trade possibilities.. Towns and Love have been in the mill, Zubac, Adams and Capela before that, Aldridge a little..

With that many big men near the trading block, there’s a chance for a three or four team deal..

Say, Hayward and Drummond to Phoenix, Tyler Johnson, Oubre, Kaminsky, MIL 1st to Detroit, Ayton, Tony Snell to Boston.

Phoenix doesn’t want to waste Booker’s prime, they add two vets to make a run now - both have opt-outs, but the grass isn’t going to get much greener anywhere else. Detroit gets a competent wing in Oubre, a 1st, and cap relief. We turn Hayward and a late 1st into one bad roleplayer deal (Snell) and a rookie contract center prospect by being in the right place at the right time.

It doesn’t seem like it should work but based on the rumored price for Drummond and the net gain for the Suns, it almost does..

Terrible for us, giving away Hayward for a role player & a centre who can’t defend is a big NO for me.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Ayton can’t defend reliably now but he’s a prospect on par with Tatum and Brown - it’s two steps back to take four steps forward.. It’s a swerve - we’d almost definitely drop out of contention this year.. but..

[Scarletfire81]

Suns aren’t trading Ayton for 1 year of Drummond and Hayward, no way. I would possibly be on board with getting Ayton but that’s so far fetched.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Suns aren’t trading Ayton for Drummond, no way. I would possibly be on board with getting Ayton but that’s so far fetched.

What do you think we’d have to add?

And they’d be trading Ayton, Oubre, Tyler Johnson and Kaminsky for Drummond/Hayward..

[Scarletfire81]

Suns aren’t trading Ayton for Drummond, no way. I would possibly be on board with getting Ayton but that’s so far fetched.

What do you think we’d have to add?

And they’d be trading Ayton, Oubre, Tyler Johnson and Kaminsky for Drummond/Hayward..

Edit: for 1 year of Drummond and Hayward. I don’t think that’s worth it for Ayton. (Actually a half season of each).


Suns would probably want a proven player locked up for years if I had to guess.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I don’t know how many salaries we’d have to stack to turn Smart into Drummond: Smart, Kanter, Poirier, Ojeleye.. you’d still need to add Javonte Green to make the money work..

Kemba/Wanamaker/Waters
Jaylen/Langford/Edwards
Hayward/Grant Williams
Tatum/Theis
Drummond/Rob Williams/Tacko

Would destroy our depth and leave us dependent on the buyout market.. if that’s Evan Turner and Bobby Portis, great..but..

Smart+ for Drummond just doesn’t look feasible..

[Andrew McCeltic]

Suns aren’t trading Ayton for Drummond, no way. I would possibly be on board with getting Ayton but that’s so far fetched.

What do you think we’d have to add?

And they’d be trading Ayton, Oubre, Tyler Johnson and Kaminsky for Drummond/Hayward..

Edit: for 1 year of Drummond and Hayward. I don’t think that’s worth it for Ayton. (Actually a half season of each).


Suns would probably want a proven player locked up for years if I had to guess.

It’d take ownership pressure (they haven’t made the playoffs in years), probably agent pressure, and maybe assurances both players would re-up.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Anyway it just doesn’t look like there’s anything feasible.. you’d need to do Hayward somewhere and Drummond in along with major value from team 3 or 4..

Hayward, Ojeleye and Reggie Jackson to Orlando, Aaron Gordon, Fultz, Drummond to Boston, Fournier, Kanter, Theis, Poirier, MIL 1st to Detroit

Kemba/Wanamaker/Fultz/Waters
Jaylen/Smart/Langford/Edwards
Tatum/Green
Aaron Gordon/Grant Williams
Drummond/Rob Williams/Tacko Fall

[Floody100]

Anyway it just doesn’t look like there’s anything feasible.. you’d need to do Hayward somewhere and Drummond in along with major value from team 3 or 4..

Hayward, Ojeleye and Reggie Jackson to Orlando, Aaron Gordon, Fultz, Drummond to Boston, Fournier, Kanter, Theis, Poirier, MIL 1st to Detroit

Kemba/Wanamaker/Fultz/Waters
Jaylen/Smart/Langford/Edwards
Tatum/Green
Aaron Gordon/Grant Williams
Drummond/Rob Williams/Tacko Fall

We’re 3rd in the league, why change things up ? Replacing Hayward with Drummond makes the team worst.
Why this obsession with Drummond ? He constantly gets shown up by Embiid anyway. We’ve already got a guy called Enes Kanter who’s shown he can post up with Embiid.

[MagicBagley18]

Have no way of knowing exactly what ainge thinks but if he feels he's got a couple of top 20 players in the making (who knows top 10), I highly doubt he's even thinking about moving either for a currently better player. Feels like the perception is across the board is that ainge has some kind of itchy trigger finger. Don't think it's happening. Brown ain't going nowhere. Magic bag ain't getting his wish because ainge knows what he's doing, hence the contract.

Imagine if the GSW were broken up because the GM got impatient.

I did mention I would love the idea of KAT here, but the idea is just that. I'd rather just keep the guys we have and fine tune a couple spots.

My wish is BOTH players become stars. It’s laughable u compare Jaylen to Klay or curry but hey you’re good for that. I root for Jaylen to have star or superstar success just don’t think he will.

Your just so blinded my faith hope and blind homerism you can’t be objective but it’s ok I’ve stopped taking you seriously a long time ago fan boy

It's laughable that you don't get I'm comparing the situation, the philosophical stance of what a GM is facing. The GSW didn't know what exactly they had before they became a dynasty. They had foresight, they had a vision to build a roster with staying power not overthink it and trade core pieces.

Funny you calling me a fanboy of a 23yd old player on the verge of all-stardom. A Boston Celtic player no less.

Sorry if I don't find your best wishes for Jaylen sincere, but since I'm beneath you I'll take my leave and put you on ignore for good.

I’d rather you not so when brown doesn’t reach the level you think we can have a friendly back and forth. the warriors also didn’t have a 29 year max free agent they just signed who btw is the number 1 option on the team or a 29 year making max dollars. 2 totally different situations.

if you can trade brown for KAT to add to THIS team and still keep Tatum, you do that every time and ainge would too. You’d have to be a complete moron to not do that.