Trade Central 19-20 / cap info (pg.1)

[J_T]

This is tricky because I think the team has one more max slot remaining after KP and Luka get theirs. So it's either we get it with Drummond or roll the dice and wait for a Giannis or an Oladipo to sign with us in 2021 or beyond.

Exactly. It makes no sense to spend it for a type of a player that is literally least important in the game right now. Tough luck for Drummond really, he is playing in a wrong era.

I think even in general max slots should be only used to get best players, not players that are maybe 10th best. Because all these players 1-10 are being paid the same (max) so why settle for the tenth? You are giving other teams major advantage.

[aggerrard]

IF Drummond really wants a trade to the Mavs - a chance could be to make sure he opts in to his player option for next year. Then we're looking at a potential max free agent in 2021 + bird rights on Drummond.

[J_T]

IF Drummond really wants a trade to the Mavs - a chance could be to make sure he opts in to his player option for next year. Then we're looking at a potential max free agent in 2021 + bird rights on Drummond.

Unless I misunderstand some part of the process, Mavs can never really assure that he signs long-term. They can't offer him an extension now and Drummond has already clearly stated that he will be a UFA next summer. Unless he changed his mind, any team is trading for him for half season only.

[aggerrard]

IF Drummond really wants a trade to the Mavs - a chance could be to make sure he opts in to his player option for next year. Then we're looking at a potential max free agent in 2021 + bird rights on Drummond.

Unless I misunderstand some part of the process, Mavs can never really assure that he signs long-term. They can't offer him an extension now and Drummond has already clearly stated that he will be a UFA next summer. Unless he changed his mind, any team is trading for him for half season only.

I know that. Just assuming if he really wants to play with Luka and Mavs - then make sure he opts into his player option. And i know the best you can get is his word for it.

If he can't guarantee that, i wouldn't trade more than Powell + Lee and a 2nd for him.

[daoneandonly]

Its easier to stay so durable when you rarely give max effort and play hard, that always has and always will be the knock on Dre

[jpengland]

Drummond is the single worst fit in the league for this Mavs team

He's not a great rim protector, can't switch, can't guard 4s and offers nothing on offense outside of 5 feet.

KP and Drummond would be pulled apart defensively and put on islands chasing perimeter guys.

The offense would suffer as we are thriving on spacing and giving Luka room to operate, Drummond kills that entirely.

We are already a more than adequate rebounding team, too.

He makes us worse offensively and defensively and gets paid a huge sum to do so.

[J_T]

Drummond is the single worst fit in the league for this Mavs team

He's not a great rim protector, can't switch, can't guard 4s and offers nothing on offense outside of 5 feet.

KP and Drummond would be pulled apart defensively and put on islands chasing perimeter guys.

The offense would suffer as we are thriving on spacing and giving Luka room to operate, Drummond kills that entirely.

We are already a more than adequate rebounding team, too.

He makes us worse offensively and defensively and gets paid a huge sum to do so.

Not only that that's true, but it concerns me greatly just to hear that Mavs are being involved in trade talks. I hope it's not true. If it is true, I have lost a bit of trust in Mavs' vision.

[ejs78]

I don't know about anyone else, but this team is about a 4 to 6th seed (closer to a 6 for me)who would be lucky to get out of the first rd and for sure not getting out of round 2.

Does a Drummond trade or any other trade change this who knows, but if there's a chance to get out from the THJ and Powell contracts im all in for it. In the case of Drummond the opportunity to have alot of cap space this summer is super appealing. Fans need to take the beer goggles off and not act like these 2 cant be replaced by cheaper options or more expensive better options.



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[dakomish23]

Lee GSW 2nd for Reddick

Cons
He’s old
He’s another guard and they could use a wing
Poor defender

Pros
would immediately be the best shooter on the roster
Would provide a much more reliable scoring option.
Can generate offense simply through his motion so you don’t necessarily need Luka on the floor with him
Expires by 2021

[Dirk]

Lee GSW 2nd for Reddick

Cons
He’s old
He’s another guard and they could use a wing
Poor defender

Pros
would immediately be the best shooter on the roster
Would provide a much more reliable scoring option.
Can generate offense simply through his motion so you don’t necessarily need Luka on the floor with him
Expires by 2021

Sounds good, but I don't believe the Pelicans would trade him away for that. They're probably not giving up on whatever plans they had for the season team/Zion and given how young they are, they probably don't value that early 2nd rd pick as much as some other teams would.

It kind of sucks that the Grizzlies are doing well. If they were a mess and tanking, you could probably get a guy like Crowder. Do you know who would fit really really well..? Marcus Morris. When the Mavs were very quiet in free agency, I hoped they'd get him as he was still available. Size, attitude and he's been ridiculous shooting the last year or two. He is like a bigger, better, more polished version of THJ --- he is also worth more than the early 2nd rounder, so don't think the Mavs actually can get him and I am not sure the Knicks would be looking to trade him out.

[Pinkyring]

Lee GSW 2nd for Reddick

Cons
He’s old
He’s another guard and they could use a wing
Poor defender

Pros
would immediately be the best shooter on the roster
Would provide a much more reliable scoring option.
Can generate offense simply through his motion so you don’t necessarily need Luka on the floor with him
Expires by 2021

We give an asset for a guy that doesn't address any of our major weaknesses and also makes our greatest weakness worse.....pass

[VCfor3]

Lee GSW 2nd for Reddick

Cons
He’s old
He’s another guard and they could use a wing
Poor defender

Pros
would immediately be the best shooter on the roster
Would provide a much more reliable scoring option.
Can generate offense simply through his motion so you don’t necessarily need Luka on the floor with him
Expires by 2021

Sounds good, but I don't believe the Pelicans would trade him away for that. They're probably not giving up on whatever plans they had for the season team/Zion and given how young they are, they probably don't value that early 2nd rd pick as much as some other teams would.

It kind of sucks that the Grizzlies are doing well. If they were a mess and tanking, you could probably get a guy like Crowder. Do you know who would fit really really well..? Marcus Morris. When the Mavs were very quiet in free agency, I hoped they'd get him as he was still available. Size, attitude and he's been ridiculous shooting the last year or two. He is like a bigger, better, more polished version of THJ --- he is also worth more than the early 2nd rounder, so don't think the Mavs actually can get him and I am not sure the Knicks would be looking to trade him out.

I think he is available. My guess is that he and Iggy get moved this deadline.

[VCfor3]

Sounds good, but I don't believe the Pelicans would trade him away for that. They're probably not giving up on whatever plans they had for the season team/Zion and given how young they are, they probably don't value that early 2nd rd pick as much as some other teams would.

It kind of sucks that the Grizzlies are doing well. If they were a mess and tanking, you could probably get a guy like Crowder. Do you know who would fit really really well..? Marcus Morris. When the Mavs were very quiet in free agency, I hoped they'd get him as he was still available. Size, attitude and he's been ridiculous shooting the last year or two. He is like a bigger, better, more polished version of THJ --- he is also worth more than the early 2nd rounder, so don't think the Mavs actually can get him and I am not sure the Knicks would be looking to trade him out.

I think he is available. My guess is that he and Iggy get moved this deadline.

Congrats on the win. Jesus. Dismantled the Clips. You kind of did to them what the Spurs did to you some games back.

Appreciate it. It was kind of a perfect storm with them missing guys and not getting up for this game while Memphis had multiple players with some of their best games of the season. Maybe that'll put them in a tail spin for a bit and let you guys jump them in the standings ha.

[dakomish23]

Lee GSW 2nd for Reddick

Cons
He’s old
He’s another guard and they could use a wing
Poor defender

Pros
would immediately be the best shooter on the roster
Would provide a much more reliable scoring option.
Can generate offense simply through his motion so you don’t necessarily need Luka on the floor with him
Expires by 2021

We give an asset for a guy that doesn't address any of our major weaknesses and also makes our greatest weakness worse.....pass

You need another consistent scorer / shooter

[Dirk]

I think he is available. My guess is that he and Iggy get moved this deadline.

Congrats on the win. Jesus. Dismantled the Clips. You kind of did to them what the Spurs did to you some games back.

Appreciate it. It was kind of a perfect storm with them missing guys and not getting up for this game while Memphis had multiple players with some of their best games of the season. Maybe that'll put them in a tail spin for a bit and let you guys jump them in the standings ha.

Nope. At least I don't believe it. Mavs have now been dealing with injuries and they're coming back down to earth a bit. These other teams just have better players. There's a reason why they were so far ahead of the Mavs in the pre-season projections.

In case you aren't aware, the Mavs were like the Clippers yesterday. Took the Hornets lightly. Fell in a hole (20 point lead for them). Got back in the game. Went up 12 in the fourth. Game won, right? Nope. Then managed to blow the lead and then lost in OT.

Yesterday, Denver/Clippers were spanked by the Wizards/Grizzlies. The Mavs were about to head the same way, but they actually made it more painful for us... made us angry at being blown out, then made us angry at blowing lead.

On Crowder --- I actually just thought his veteran presence and the way he bought into the Grizzlies would just make the organization more reluctant to flip him for a 2nd round pick. His individual numbers actually aren't that good ah. Then again, with some of these guys (say Aminu who is the prototype of player the Mavs need) we project them to be better just for being in the Mavs system.

Edit---removed the S.Hill part after noticing he hasn't been getting the same burn lately ha.

[BlueSan]

I'll say it again. I am against any trade

I might be harsh on the players or Mavs on some games but as I said for me they are punching over their weight this season and I would want to see it throughout the season first before making any irrational decisions. See them fight it out and grow organically at the end of the season. If they make the playoffs and maybe even perform well in them there will be plenty of guys wanting to come to Dallas. Dont weaken the depth with some Trades which will totally offset the balance of the team because this team is really playing well in general despite some headaches

[Pinkyring]

Lee GSW 2nd for Reddick

Cons
He’s old
He’s another guard and they could use a wing
Poor defender

Pros
would immediately be the best shooter on the roster
Would provide a much more reliable scoring option.
Can generate offense simply through his motion so you don’t necessarily need Luka on the floor with him
Expires by 2021

We give an asset for a guy that doesn't address any of our major weaknesses and also makes our greatest weakness worse.....pass

You need another consistent scorer / shooter

Yeah if the guy can create his own shot, not another guy dependent on someone else to set him up, and he's porous defensively. If we are going to add a perimeter guy it needs to be one that can defend or create for others at a high level

[nedleeds]

A 3 and D PF to play in the playoffs when KP will play more center (the west is basically Jokic as far as guys that bury him). Let me tell you about Marcus Morris, shooting 45.4% from 3 while playing most of his minutes with at least 2 centers and with barely starting level guards.

[dakomish23]

We give an asset for a guy that doesn't address any of our major weaknesses and also makes our greatest weakness worse.....pass

You need another consistent scorer / shooter

Yeah if the guy can create his own shot, not another guy dependent on someone else to set him up, and he's porous defensively. If we are going to add a perimeter guy it needs to be one that can defend or create for others at a high level

He’s not dependent on others. He creates his own shots by constantly being in motion. His gravity actually helps other guys and opens up the paint.

[arkuo]

Here's my take on this center/power forward debacle.

You build your team to compete with the best of the western conference.

Lakers - AD and Dwight Howard
Clippers - Harrell and Harkless (on top of PG13 and Kawhi)
Denver - Jokic and Milsap

And we only got Dwight Powell and KP. If we plan to butt heads with those teams in a 7 game series, you're gonna need more than a Kristaps Porzingis bean pole guarding Dwight Howard and AD. You're going to need to match up well with the top teams otherwise you're playing for regular season wins against bad teams and Luka gets an award for most triple doubles in the regular season. Our defense is not there yet. We are not playing playoff level defense and that is due to the lack of manpower for us to be able to roll that out.

One more piece IMO. Maybe a Robert Covington at PF? Maybe Drummond can help out. Who knows. I myself have my own doubts if Drummond can work here. But in comparison, Drummond only needs to play like prime Amare Stoudamire to be effective here. Luka can make plays the same as Nash. Everything else falls in their place.