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2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1

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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#101 » by No-Man » Fri Jan 3, 2020 7:12 am

Kobblehead wrote:Wasn't Shai unlocked as a scorer at the next level despite being a mediocre athlete with just okay per minute scoring?

Shai's athleticism blows Hayes' by a ton

also STL% is more of a marker for offensive upside than defensive

Frank's D was ultra impressive as a prospect, you can't really evaluate defense by stats other than setting some thresholds

Hayes could be solid as a team defender, but he is not a difference maker there and def not on 1on1 defense, his offense is pretty meh outside of passing and yeah, he could be a good shooter but he is not toolsy enough to really put pressure on defenses and score at a high clip

He looks like a nice back-up PG
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#102 » by No-Man » Fri Jan 3, 2020 7:16 am

Negrodamus wrote:

If we don't leave this draft without Riller, Powell, Howard, or some other prolific scorer, I'll be pissed.

I think considering where you are picking, Isaiah Joe and Devon Dotson would be interesting, not sure if the team will be into trading up again (2 early 2nds), but probably, which would be a mistake in this class imo, pretty flat overall

There are nice stash options with euros too

Joe may not make it there, Dotson probably is the best Guard that likely will be available early 2nd to me

I really like Tre Jones still but not for Philadelphia and I think he goes in the 1st when it's all said and done

Jahmi'us Ramsey is like current Eric Gordon as a prospect kinda, good 1on1 defense, nice athlete still, good shooting, valuable type of piece but not enough dynamism for what Phila needs

The Guard class is deep but thins out rather quickly if we are talking about scoring Guards, I would not take Riller, Powell or Howard that high (esp Howard who I'd not draft whatsoever, well in the 50s you can draft anybody but...)
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#103 » by No-Man » Fri Jan 3, 2020 7:24 am

I'd roll the dice with Reed at one point but not buying his shooting much and he is pretty raw still, production is undeniable but may need a couple years to be ready and for some teams that means burn out during his rookie deal, could be an interesting 2nd contract type guy
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#104 » by Kobblehead » Fri Jan 3, 2020 1:12 pm

Eric Gordon is not a logical comparison for Jahmi'us Ramsey.

Gordon was a great shooter with bad defense. Ramsey is a great defender with a bad shooting profile (64% free throw shooting). He has more in common with Fultz and Culver (minus the passing) than he does Eric Gordon.
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#105 » by Kobblehead » Fri Jan 3, 2020 1:19 pm

I have no doubt that Hayes will be an elite defender at the NBA level. Men lie, women lie, deflection stats don't.
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#106 » by No-Man » Fri Jan 3, 2020 5:39 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Eric Gordon is not a logical comparison for Jahmi'us Ramsey.

Gordon was a great shooter with bad defense. Ramsey is a great defender with a bad shooting profile (64% free throw shooting). He has more in common with Fultz and Culver (minus the passing) than he does Eric Gordon.

Gordon is a really good defender 1on1, Ramsey sucks when it comes to off-ball D, gets lost and is not consisent, kinda like Gordon

Ramsey is a really good shooter, I know he has been on/off but everything about his shot looks great, has not much in common with neither Fultz, nor Culver, his on ball skills are pretty mediocre for a Guard

EJ was a much more athletic player as a prospect, more fluid, better handles, better skill, but post-injury he became more one-dimensional, that's kinda why I am comparing Jahmi'us to Gordon post-injuries

I have no doubt that Hayes will be an elite defender at the NBA level. Men lie, women lie, deflection stats don't.


Deflection stats, once again, are better as a marker for offensive upside, esp. stl% than defense

Hayes may be solid, esp as a team defender, but no chance he can be a POA defender
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#107 » by Kobblehead » Fri Jan 3, 2020 10:44 pm

Fischella wrote:Deflection stats, once again, are better as a marker for offensive upside, esp. stl% than defense

This is such a ridiculous concept. I'm not singling you out because I know draft culture has been pointing this out for years.

It's just so comically preposterous, to me. Like man, Mattisse Thybulle's offensive upside must be off the charts, huh.

Deflection stats (particularly steal percentage and block percentage in conjunction with each other) are near flawless indicators of a player's defensive ability at the next level.

Killian Hayes will be a stud defender. Mark my words and revisit later.
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#108 » by Kobblehead » Fri Jan 3, 2020 10:47 pm

Jahmi'us Ramsey has more in common with Fultz/Culver than he does Eric Gordon.

Willing shooters with terrible free throw percentages and excellent defenders. That statement describes all three of Fultz, Culver, and Ramsey.

Phenomenal shooter with terrible defense describes Gordon and none of the other three.
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#109 » by Kobblehead » Sat Jan 4, 2020 3:29 pm

Georgia/Memphis should be fun today.

I hope Anthony Edwards shows out against two tremendous NBA defenders in D.J. Jeffries and Precious Achiuwa.
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#110 » by Negrodamus » Sat Jan 4, 2020 8:43 pm

He won't be an option for us, but Maxey is a legit NBA guard. Gets to the line and has a nice shooting profile. Feels Sexton-esque.
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#111 » by Kobblehead » Sat Jan 4, 2020 8:47 pm

That's the comp I mentioned earlier in the year. Defense and passing is bad, but dude can flat out score and feels like he's going to be a good shooter, too. A little Brandon Knight there too.
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#112 » by Kobblehead » Sat Jan 4, 2020 8:49 pm

Georgia beat Memphis, but it looks like Edward had a terrible day. 4-17 from the field.

Looks like Precious was dominant on both ends.
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#113 » by Negrodamus » Sat Jan 4, 2020 8:50 pm

I think Knight felt more like a traditional point guard than Maxey. He was an absolute freak at UK, but Maxey might be toned down because of Quickley and Hagans.
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#114 » by Negrodamus » Sun Jan 5, 2020 4:52 am



Seems like an intriguing prospect. Has a nice shot profile, size, assist rate. Might fly under the radar because Syracuse sucks this year.
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#115 » by Negrodamus » Sun Jan 5, 2020 5:07 am

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Also talked about this guy before, but his height (6'8), athleticism, shooting profile, and production makes him an extremely alluring prospect.
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#116 » by Kobblehead » Tue Jan 7, 2020 2:55 am

Isaiah Stewart is basically a Julius Randle clone.

6'8" 250, bad defense, great iso scoring ability, black hole. Has a shooting profile to become a three point shooter if he works at it.
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#117 » by Kobblehead » Tue Jan 7, 2020 4:28 pm

Another test for Anthony Edwards tonight against Kentucky. Hopefully he fairs better than he did against Memphis.
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#118 » by Negrodamus » Tue Jan 7, 2020 5:08 pm

Hopefully he sucks tonight. Can't have the Cats dropping any more games.
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#119 » by Kobblehead » Tue Jan 7, 2020 5:14 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Hopefully he sucks tonight. Can't have the Cats dropping any more games.

Hopefully Cal keys in on Rayshaun Hammonds to get the Kentucky win (Georgia has nothing outside those two) and lets Edwards go off so he can put on a show for us fans.
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Re: 2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1 

Post#120 » by Kobblehead » Tue Jan 7, 2020 7:59 pm

What's up with Xavier Johnson? He was last year's Nico Mannion and appears like he took a big step back this year.

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