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Bill Polian used to say you were doing well in the draft if you batted 560. Now I know it's a mixed metaphor from a different sport, but getting one draft pick wrong isn't a firing offense. Now I'm all for trying to trade him for a backup 4 who can defend guys too big for Jholiday to check, but he's still young. Remember how long Rik Smits took to be effective?basketballwacko2 wrote:Wasn't leaf supposed to some great stretch 4? Someone should get fired over that draft pick.
basketballwacko2 wrote:How about we send Leaf to Charlotto for Willie HermanGomez? Give when a 2nd too.
festar35 wrote:I'm not sure Leaf really gets us anything decent in return, to me the main reason to trade him is to clear us the $4mil in cap he would hit us next year after we picked up his option. I'd be happy with a 2nd Round Pick.
Jake0890 wrote:Leaf has no value as an asset himself. We won't be trading him unless it's involved in a bigger deal, me thinks... so unlikely.
By the way, when's the deadline for us to pick up his 4th year option? Or has it already been picked up?
LoveMyRaps wrote:Who is the most likely on your team to get traded?
I feel like Turner will be highly coveted around the trade deadline.
What would it take from the Raptors to get Turner?
LoveMyRaps wrote:Who is the most likely on your team to get traded?
I feel like Turner will be highly coveted around the trade deadline.
What would it take from the Raptors to get Turner?
LoveMyRaps wrote:What would it take from the Raptors to get Turner?
boomershadow wrote:Wiretap says we have been rebuffing trade inquiries for Turner, which probably isn't a big surprise to anyone here.
The Pacers, making it work
Domantas Sabonis and Myles Turner are both centers. They are also both good, and teams in small markets can't get picky about which good players to keep. The Pacers bet Sabonis and Turner were just different enough -- on both ends -- to make it work.
Indiana is a tidy plus-6.4 points per 100 possessions with their double-center look, and the two have settled into a groove. Sabonis has managed defending power forwards, allowing Turner to protect the basket.
It works on offense because Turner has stepped back into a secondary spot-up role. Sabonis is the hub. He sets twice as many ball screens as Turner, per Second Spectrum, and he's a pivoty passing genius in open space. He has become a little braver lately shooting long 2s out of the pick-and-roll, and he has drained 53% of them. Those aren't sexy shots, but every team needs them as a failsafe.
The Malcolm Brogdon/Sabonis pick-and-roll is already one of the league's most reliable engines of offense. They have a counter for every scheme. Both can exploit switches; Sabonis takes sneering delight in mashing little guys.
Turner is shooting 35% from deep, and struts onto center stage when Sabonis rests.
The question is whether Turner is content with this arrangement. The team belongs to Sabonis and Brogdon now. Turner jacks 16 shots per 36 minutes in his solo time, but just nine when he plays with Sabonis, per NBA.com. Turner's counting stats are down. Indiana has struggled in Turner-only minutes -- especially on the glass, where Turner remains unreliable.
The Pacers continue to turn away teams who inquire about Turner, sources say. They are good, and they want to see how things look when Victor Oladipo returns. But every team in need of a big man should keep an eye on Turner.
Pacersike wrote:Can we get A Gordon for his dunks alone? Damn...
Pacersike wrote:Can we get A Gordon for his dunks alone? Damn...
Topofthekey wrote:Pacersike wrote:Can we get A Gordon for his dunks alone? Damn...
I keep thinking that if AG is about the same size as PG, and Pacers turned PG into an elite defender, couldn't the Pacers do the same with AG
Tom White wrote:Pacersike wrote:Can we get A Gordon for his dunks alone? Damn...
Sure. Why go after players with multiple talents and abilities when we can add a guy who only does one thing well?
