Hot and Heavy with the Hawks (Drummond Trade Rumors go National)

jayu70 · Post #61 » by **jayu70** » Sat Jan 4, 2020 7:06 pm

Canadafan wrote:Think we could get De'Andre Hunter and expiring for Dre? That would be nice. Need a good young SF

Not possible.

Pistons888 · Post #62 » by **Pistons888** » Sat Jan 4, 2020 7:19 pm

Would be more than thrilled with Drummond for Parsons/Len/Fernando or BKN 1st. We are not getting Hunter or Huerter and more than likely not Reddish. Even if this move just saves us from ourselves in extending Dre in the off-season or having him opt in next year I am completely ok with it. He might go on to do great things with ATL which is fine. The way this team is built something needs to change.

DBC10 · Post #63 » by **DBC10** » Sat Jan 4, 2020 7:47 pm

Pistons888 wrote:Would be more than thrilled with Drummond for Parsons/Len/Fernando or BKN 1st. We are not getting Hunter or Huerter and more than likely not Reddish. Even if this move just saves us from ourselves in extending Dre in the off-season or having him opt in next year I am completely ok with it. He might go on to do great things with ATL which is fine. The way this team is built something needs to change.

Yep same here. Not to sound like I'm lowballing ourselves, but we also don't have THAT much leverage since Dre's basically an expiring too. I'm fine with just an extra pick for this or next year and an expiring.

My greatest fear is the deals never fully go past the talk stage and simmer out with Dre walking for nothing next year. Let ATL handle all that next year while we enjoy a pick or two.

mattao313 · Post #64 » by **mattao313** » Sat Jan 4, 2020 9:34 pm

Get em outta here. Time to part ways and start fresh.

Rip32 · Post #65 » by **Rip32** » Sat Jan 4, 2020 10:19 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
Rip32 wrote:I'm not sure about the hype for Luke Kennard! He's a role/6th man type of player. I would include him with the Drummond deal as a sweetener. He not a legitimate nba starter imo

A sweetner to get what?

To get Hunter! Kennard already has bad knees :lol:

BadMofoPimp · Post #66 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Sat Jan 4, 2020 10:50 pm

Best they will probably get is Brooklyns top 14 protected and Chandler Parsons expiring for Drummond from the Hawks unless they can swing Len and Turner. Maybe, that is why the Hawks are sitting Parsons and Turner is so the Pistons trade em Reggie and Drummond for Parsons, Len and Turner.

Han Solo · Post #67 » by **Han Solo** » Sat Jan 4, 2020 11:06 pm

Sounds like Kyrie Irving needs surgery and will be out at least a few months. Are the Nets good enough without him to make the playoffs? I really don’t want to trade for that pick if we don’t get the pick this year. I also firmly think we should get Reddish too.

You know what really pisses me off? The fact we traded that late first round pick to the Cavs for cash. Would have been nice having Kevin Porter.

Post #68 » by **Snakebites** » Sat Jan 4, 2020 11:08 pm

Han Solo wrote:Sounds like Kyrie Irving needs surgery and will be out at least a few months. Are the Nets good enough without him to make the playoffs? I really don’t want to trade for that pick if we don’t get the pick this year. I also firmly think we should get Reddish too.

You know what really pisses me off? The fact we traded that late first round pick to the Cavs for cash. Would have been nice having Kevin Porter.

It's a calculated risk, there's no denying it.

Keep in mind someone pretty bad will make the playoffs in the east, maybe even 2 sub-.500 teams. The Nets could totally be one of them.

MotownMadness · Post #69 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Jan 4, 2020 11:16 pm

They should make it, still got Dinwiddie

Post #70 » by **Snakebites** » Sat Jan 4, 2020 11:24 pm

MotownMadness wrote:They should make it, still got Dinwiddie

Yeah, I think people aren't fully appreciating just how low the playoff bar is for these teams.

The NBA has become extremely top heavy, neither conferance has 8 competitive teams anymore. Which is why it's imperative that we not be the sucker that makes the playoffs.

Pharaoh · Post #71 » by **Pharaoh** » Sat Jan 4, 2020 11:30 pm

Han Solo wrote:Sounds like Kyrie Irving needs surgery and will be out at least a few months. Are the Nets good enough without him to make the playoffs? I really don’t want to trade for that pick if we don’t get the pick this year. I also firmly think we should get Reddish too.

You know what really pisses me off? The fact we traded that late first round pick to the Cavs for cash. Would have been nice having Kevin Porter.

I'd actually prefer the Brooklyn pick to come our way in 2021.

Are people just assuming that with KD (& Kyrie) the Nets are going to dominate the East together? Still got Philly, Boston, Toronto & the Bucks...

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thesack12 · Post #72 » by **thesack12** » Sat Jan 4, 2020 11:33 pm

Pharaoh wrote:
Han Solo wrote:Sounds like Kyrie Irving needs surgery and will be out at least a few months. Are the Nets good enough without him to make the playoffs? I really don’t want to trade for that pick if we don’t get the pick this year. I also firmly think we should get Reddish too.

You know what really pisses me off? The fact we traded that late first round pick to the Cavs for cash. Would have been nice having Kevin Porter.
I'd actually prefer the Brooklyn pick to come our way in 2021.

Are people just assuming that with KD (& Kyrie) the Nets are going to dominate the East together? Still got Philly, Boston, Toronto & the Bucks...

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This!!

People were happy as hell when Detroit did Milwaukee a favor by taking Snell because they got #30 in return. You know, the worst possible FRP in existence. "Detroit got an extra 1st, that's what they should be doing" etc, etc.

People aren't consistent at all, they react based on whatever they feel in the moment.

Manocad · Post #73 » by **Manocad** » Sat Jan 4, 2020 11:35 pm

DBC10 wrote:
Pistons888 wrote:Would be more than thrilled with Drummond for Parsons/Len/Fernando or BKN 1st. We are not getting Hunter or Huerter and more than likely not Reddish. Even if this move just saves us from ourselves in extending Dre in the off-season or having him opt in next year I am completely ok with it. He might go on to do great things with ATL which is fine. The way this team is built something needs to change.

Yep same here. Not to sound like I'm lowballing ourselves, but we also don't have THAT much leverage since Dre's basically an expiring too. I'm fine with just an extra pick for this or next year and an expiring.

My greatest fear is the deals never fully go past the talk stage and simmer out with Dre walking for nothing next year. Let ATL handle all that next year while we enjoy a pick or two.

I’d rather see Dre walk for nothing than to see him re-signed in order to avoid losing him for nothing. I want him gone.

MotownMadness · Post #74 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Jan 4, 2020 11:37 pm

thesack12 wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:
Han Solo wrote:Sounds like Kyrie Irving needs surgery and will be out at least a few months. Are the Nets good enough without him to make the playoffs? I really don’t want to trade for that pick if we don’t get the pick this year. I also firmly think we should get Reddish too.

You know what really pisses me off? The fact we traded that late first round pick to the Cavs for cash. Would have been nice having Kevin Porter.
I'd actually prefer the Brooklyn pick to come our way in 2021.

Are people just assuming that with KD (& Kyrie) the Nets are going to dominate the East together? Still got Philly, Boston, Toronto & the Bucks...

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This!!

People were happy as hell when Detroit did Milwaukee a favor by taking Snell because they got #30 in return. You know, the worst possible FRP in existence. "Detroit got an extra 1st, that's what they should be doing" etc, etc.

People aren't consistent at all, they react based on whatever they feel in the moment.

Whats any of that got to do with the pick converting this year or next

Pharaoh · Post #75 » by **Pharaoh** » Sat Jan 4, 2020 11:42 pm

Hawks also own OKCs 2022 first. Not sure on conditions but:

After we move on from Dre we're going into the tank. Ideally we'd acquire a pick (or 2) but space them out a bit:

Our 2020 pick = Lotto
Our 2021 pick = Lotto
Brooklyn 2021 = likely 15-22
Our 2022 pick = Lotto
OKC 2022 pick = ?

Combine that with Woods, Sekou, Luke, Svi & Brown and we COULD be a young, up and coming team with a bright future and a core of guys who are essentially "stuck" here for 5+ years due to RFA

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DetroitSho · Post #76 » by **DetroitSho** » Sat Jan 4, 2020 11:47 pm

Pharaoh wrote:
Han Solo wrote:Sounds like Kyrie Irving needs surgery and will be out at least a few months. Are the Nets good enough without him to make the playoffs? I really don’t want to trade for that pick if we don’t get the pick this year. I also firmly think we should get Reddish too.

You know what really pisses me off? The fact we traded that late first round pick to the Cavs for cash. Would have been nice having Kevin Porter.
I'd actually prefer the Brooklyn pick to come our way in 2021.

Are people just assuming that with KD (& Kyrie) the Nets are going to dominate the East together? Still got Philly, Boston, Toronto & the Bucks...

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Dominate the east? I'm pretty sure the assumption was that Brooklyn could likely squeak into the playoffs even with a broken Kyrie and convert a mid teens pick as opposed to next year when they would clearly be better. They don't have to dominate the east to have a worse draft pick next year. That statement is pretty inconsequential.

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thesack12 · Post #77 » by **thesack12** » Sat Jan 4, 2020 11:49 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
thesack12 wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:I'd actually prefer the Brooklyn pick to come our way in 2021.

Are people just assuming that with KD (& Kyrie) the Nets are going to dominate the East together? Still got Philly, Boston, Toronto & the Bucks...

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This!!

People were happy as hell when Detroit did Milwaukee a favor by taking Snell because they got #30 in return. You know, the worst possible FRP in existence. "Detroit got an extra 1st, that's what they should be doing" etc, etc.

People aren't consistent at all, they react based on whatever they feel in the moment.

Whats any of that got to do with the pick converting this year or next

You're right, I didn't follow his post as clearly as I should have. I was thinking he was responding to people saying they didn't want to Brooklyn pick at all.

440BB · Post #78 » by **440BB** » Sun Jan 5, 2020 12:23 am

On February 7 if we're stuck with Andre and he walks or we consider resigning him, anybody's first round pick would have been fine.

Post #79 » by **Snakebites** » Sun Jan 5, 2020 12:52 am

I do think it is important for us to understand that as long as the first round pick or other assets are coming in the next couple of years, it doesn't really matter which year they come in.

If we're seriously doing this rebuild, it's the LONG game, people. It'll take years, and during that time we need draft picks, period. I realize the instant gratification of having 2 first rounders this coming year is sexier, but a middle tier first rounder next season will do JUST fine in the long run for our overall plan. Perspective is really important here.

Heck, might even be better, since this year doesn't look like a real strong draft.

That said, the Nets making the playoffs is still a pretty distinct possibility, maybe more likely than not.

buzzkilloton · Post #80 » by **buzzkilloton** » Sun Jan 5, 2020 1:17 am

I'd actually prefer a 1st rounder a couple years from now. A change in the draft rules are coming. If we can land even a late first in the draft that highschoolers can go straight to pros again,its going to be a very valuable pick. This years draft as others have stated isnt going to be strong.