Transaction Discussion Part 3 (Trades, Free-Agency, News, Rumors & Ideas)

[Dynamix]

So who would we get rid of to make room for Collison? And how many minutes can we actually take away from Bev and Lou? My gut tells me he's going to the Lakers, just seems like a better fit. Close with LeBron and Cousins, played longer for Vogel than for Doc, could easily replace Rondo, and they can offer him slightly more money. I'd honestly be shocked if he ended up with us, but it would be awesome to see the Lakers get snubbed again and unleash the full excuse arsenal of "he wasn't that good anyway" or "whatever, still have the King as our PG".

[esqtvd]

So who would we get rid of to make room for Collison? And how many minutes can we actually take away from Bev and Lou? My gut tells me he's going to the Lakers, just seems like a better fit. Close with LeBron and Cousins, played longer for Vogel than for Doc, could easily replace Rondo, and they can offer him slightly more money. I'd honestly be shocked if he ended up with us, but it would be awesome to see the Lakers get snubbed again and unleash the full excuse arsenal of "he wasn't that good anyway" or "whatever, still have the King as our PG".

I agree Collison's a better fit with the Lakers, if only because the rest of the rest of their roster bites buffalo balls bigtime. He'd be one of their best players in a week.


But DC's a Clipper forever if he wants to be. And even though he's not even a good fit on a roster with fellow midgets Bev and Lou, we'll make it work. Quality and class will out and you can never have enough. Walton, Jr. will understand, especially when we bring him back again next year.

[QRich3]

For us, Collison helps some but he's not gonna change the team much or get as many minutes as he would in the Lakers. For them, he covers a glaring need, and if they are able to add him and Iguodala, their team suddenly becomes a lot more complete and a little bit scary.

He's lost a bunch of millions for his half a year sabbatical though, weird choice.

[MartinRiggs]

Great,now Collison will join the Lakers and give them the piece they need.

[MartinToVaught]

For us, Collison helps some but he's not gonna change the team much or get as many minutes as he would in the Lakers. For them, he covers a glaring need, and if they are able to add him and Iguodala, their team suddenly becomes a lot more complete and a little bit scary.

He's lost a bunch of millions for his half a year sabbatical though, weird choice.

I'd say Collison covers a glaring need for us as well. We need a point guard who can share the playmaking duties. Someone like Collison might reduce the sloppy turnovers and long cold streaks on offense.

[esqtvd]

dang

Collison get can the full $1.75M from the Lakers but only $604k from us

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Pincus is a sal cap ace

dunno if he's figuring in Walton's contract money
it becomes guaranteed January 10

or could we could get somebody to take Jerome off our hands for crap pick or something

regardless, it's not gonna be easy unless DC wants to walk away from another cool million extra over at the Lakers

[50CalClips]

I knew Darren Collison wasn't done.

Lets do this.

[50CalClips]

Great,now Collison will join the Lakers and give them the piece they need.

I wonder, did the Clippers not want Dwight Howard... or did Dwight just favor the Lakers, not interested in the Clippers.

Same for Darren Collison... are the Clippers really interested? It could upset thing (Lou and Bev)

[Young Sterling]

Great,now Collison will join the Lakers and give them the piece they need.

I wonder, did the Clippers not want Dwight Howard... or did Dwight just favor the Lakers, not interested in the Clippers.

Same for Darren Collison... are the Clippers really interested? It could upset thing (Lou and Bev)

If we wanted Dwight, he'd be here. Nobody was fighting over him and Lakers just picked him up as a medium risk medium reward type player. His game doesn't fit small ball, and that's the direction we were going. A smart guard can easily get him in foul trouble, which is why he usually gets benched against the Clippers.

I've also noticed that the players who we are "rumored" to be going after, don't usually make it in a trade. The FO gets players that usually surprise the fan base. I also have that feeling that they're working on something very big right now in what could possibly be a multi team deal. Like bigger than Thad Young... Just my hunch though.

It might take some time before a trade materializes though, as most NBA sellers are in contact with teams with a multitude of assets like Denver. Once they take from the rich, they'll start looking towards the LA teams and their limited trade assets.

[SK21209]

So who would we get rid of to make room for Collison? And how many minutes can we actually take away from Bev and Lou? My gut tells me he's going to the Lakers, just seems like a better fit. Close with LeBron and Cousins, played longer for Vogel than for Doc, could easily replace Rondo, and they can offer him slightly more money. I'd honestly be shocked if he ended up with us, but it would be awesome to see the Lakers get snubbed again and unleash the full excuse arsenal of "he wasn't that good anyway" or "whatever, still have the King as our PG".

He could just take all of McGruder’s minutes (17.1 per game). Start Collison and bring Beverly, Lou and Shamet off the bench together.

[TrueLAfan]

Collison is a weird piece of toast, to use James Worthy's phrase. I’m not sure having more responsibility or playing a larger part with a team is something he necessarily wants—or, more importantly, is able—to do. He’s been out of the game for seven months. He’ll need (at least) two months to get into 20-25 mpg playing shape, which is what the Lakers would want from him. And he’s never played for Vogel or the Lakers … however, he did play for us with Doc. Whether that will be a plus or minus remains to be seen.

But, speaking of minus, Collison is a minus D player. If I had a choice between a decent scoring, good shooting, lousy D playmaker and a low scoring, mediocre shooting, good D playmaker, I’d take the latter for us. Collison is better than what we what we have because we have nothing. And we made not need anything—I still think we may work out the offense better with a full month of familiarity. I’m betting we wait until the break to see how thinks are shaking out—and if there are any buyouts and/or better fits.

[esqtvd]

Collison is a weird piece of toast, to use James Worthy's phrase. I’m not sure having more responsibility or playing a larger part with a team is something he necessarily wants—or, more importantly, is able—to do. He’s been out of the game for seven months. He’ll need (at least) two months to get into 20-25 mpg playing shape, which is what the Lakers would want from him. And he’s never played for Vogel or the Lakers … however, he did play for us with Doc. Whether that will be a plus or minus remains to be seen.

But, speaking of minus, Collison is a minus D player. If I had a choice between a decent scoring, good shooting, lousy D playmaker and a low scoring, mediocre shooting, good D playmaker, I’d take the latter for us. Collison is better than what we what we have because we have nothing. And we made not need anything—I still think we may work out the offense better with a full month of familiarity. I’m betting we wait until the break to see how thinks are shaking out—and if there are any buyouts and/or better fits.

The immediate question is whether we should guarantee Walton's contract on January 10. We are already just a whisker under the lux tax.

[Roscoe Sheed]

I feel like some type of trade is needed. I’m not exactly sure who should go. I like Lou a lot, but he isn’t needed as much at the end of games because of Leonard and pg13 closing.

[MartinToVaught]

I feel like some type of trade is needed. I’m not exactly sure who should go. I like Lou a lot, but he isn’t needed as much at the end of games because of Leonard and pg13 closing.

I'm honestly at the point where I don't think any roster moves can help, since we have a coach who doesn't use his players properly. Doc will find a way to underachieve no matter who the front office brings in.

This season would look a lot different right now with Bud or Spo or Stevens instead of Doc, and we wouldn't be asking for trades.

[mademan]

I feel like some type of trade is needed. I’m not exactly sure who should go. I like Lou a lot, but he isn’t needed as much at the end of games because of Leonard and pg13 closing.

I'm honestly at the point where I don't think any roster moves can help, since we have a coach who doesn't use his players properly. Doc will find a way to underachieve no matter who the front office brings in.

This season would look a lot different right now with Bud or Spo or Stevens instead of Doc, and we wouldn't be asking for trades.

In the C's 08 title season, they went to 7 games against horribly overmatched teams in the Hawks/Cavs. They were such a poor offensive team in the postseason given their talent and seemed to win solely because of their defense (based on Thibs, who was ahead of his time). If the Clips disappoint, they need to get their Steve Kerr

[esqtvd]

I feel like some type of trade is needed. I’m not exactly sure who should go. I like Lou a lot, but he isn’t needed as much at the end of games because of Leonard and pg13 closing.

I'm honestly at the point where I don't think any roster moves can help, since we have a coach who doesn't use his players properly. Doc will find a way to underachieve no matter who the front office brings in.

This season would look a lot different right now with Bud or Spo or Stevens instead of Doc, and we wouldn't be asking for trades.

In the C's 08 title season, they went to 7 games against horribly overmatched teams in the Hawks/Cavs. They were such a poor offensive team in the postseason given their talent and seemed to win solely because of their defense (based on Thibs, who was ahead of his time). If the Clips disappoint, they need to get their Steve Kerr

Hi, Mr. Mademan. Welcome to our board. Can you please don't feed our Doc Derangement Syndrome troll ok? This is our transactions thread. It has nothing to do with Doc, the coach. This was just another threadjack.

If you want to join in douchebagging Doc Rivers as our coach, if you look around our board, we have several other 'Doc Sucks' threads. We don't need any more trolls. We have our own.

Thx for your cooperation.

Please no backseat moderating.

[esqtvd]

Andre Drummond Has Reportedly Been on Pistons' Trade Block over Last Few Seasons

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2824529-andre-drummond-has-reportedly-been-on-pistons-trade-block-over-last-few-seasons




Can we go back to the Pistons well? And take them again? LOL

Drummond is not gonna win them a title, or even get them to the playoffs! He's DeAndre Jordan with more heart and hops. What can we offer?



Drummond $27M [2020-21 player option]

for

Harkless [expiring] $11M
Zubac $7M for 3 years
Shamet
Jerome


I'm IN


https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7266407

Congratulations on a successful trade
Due to the L.A. Clippers being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. the L.A. Clippers could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. Also, the L.A. Clippers met the requirements of the Hard Cap rules of staying under the Tax Threshold plus $4M for adjusted post-trade Team Salary.

Due to Detroit being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Detroit could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.

This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

[MartinRiggs]

Morris,Drummond,Collison all sound good. Can we have all 3.

[Dynamix]

Drummond is more offensively skillled than DJ, but raises several of the same red flags for me. All the double-doubles with inflated rebounding numbers don't really impress me. Constantly gets outplayed by competent bigs. Hell, even Zubac gave him serious trouble a few days ago. 2-13 FG against the Lakers last night. Sure, he had 12/18/4BS, but being the best player (although I'd take Rose over him in a heartbeat) on a very bad team will get you those numbers. Doesn't really mesh well with Blake, so I doubt he would with Trez. Not that they would play together a lot, so we might still end up counting the minutes until Trez can come off the bench.

Giving up that package for a 27M player entering his final year is a big no-no in my book. He either bolts (maybe even this summer) or will most likely check out after securing his final bag. Whoever ends up with him has my sympathies. Maybe I'm crazy on this one, I just really don't like him.


I'm more intrigued about Morris after yesterday's game. Still, it's weird chasing someone that left us hanging in the summer. Now he's saying how much he loves the Knicks and wants to stay there. But what he actually wants is a solid contract, which our 41/3 apparently was not. Moving past those numbers, let's say he likes us now and is willing to stay, what could the Knicks ask for him? Moe/Rome plus our first round pick not enough? Surely they can flip Moe for a second round pick, maybe Rome turns into something useful down the line, just like Reggie Bullock, who they liked enough to sign.
If they want Sham, then I dunno about that. We'd be selling really low on him after his recent struggles, and I want us to have at least one promising young player on our roster going forward. I know we're all in, but let's not go crazy.

[SK21209]

Andre Drummond Has Reportedly Been on Pistons' Trade Block over Last Few Seasons

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2824529-andre-drummond-has-reportedly-been-on-pistons-trade-block-over-last-few-seasons




Can we go back to the Pistons well? And take them again? LOL

Drummond is not gonna win them a title, or even get them to the playoffs! He's DeAndre Jordan with more heart and hops. What can we offer?



Drummond $27M [2020-21 player option]

for

Harkless [expiring] $11M
Zubac $7M for 3 years
Shamet
Jerome


I'm IN


https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7266407

Congratulations on a successful trade
Due to the L.A. Clippers being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. the L.A. Clippers could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. Also, the L.A. Clippers met the requirements of the Hard Cap rules of staying under the Tax Threshold plus $4M for adjusted post-trade Team Salary.

Due to Detroit being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Detroit could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.

This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

I agree that Drummond would be good for us but (1) I think another team can/will beat that offer, and (2) we end up with a roster where two of our 4 best guys (Drummond and Trez) cannot play together.