We have enough of a Tatum sample now

[jeremym480]

Tatum probably frustrates me more than any player currently on our roster... but he has the highest ceiling of any player on or roster too.

During his rookie season, I thought that he could turn into our own version of Kevin Durant. He isn't there yet but if he ever figures out touch around the rim, then he's going to be an All-NBA type of player. Brown really improved on that this year so I'm hoping that Tatum eventually catches on, as well. If he eventually puts an end to the tunnel vision he gets at times, then that's just going to be the icing on the cake.

[sam_I_am]

I generally wait till a player's 4th year when they've shown potential like Tatum before I give into the probability being more likely he won't pan out how we like.

But I completely see and understand what the OP is saying. If Tatum is playing like this next year then I'll agree with him too.

He 100% could be right.

Sorry but this is 100% wrong. Tatum has special ability. He is a splash brother separated at birth from Curry and Klay. He is 21 and far from perfect. But his 12-15 game yesterday is no surprise to me and could have been a lot better if he didn’t make youthful mistakes. This guy can drop 20 in a quarter....easily. Yesterday was just a teaser as to how good he will be 5 years from now when he is 10 lbs heavier, physically at his peak and has another 4 years of playoff experience. At 21, Tom Brady was in college. At 23 he was a 4th string quarterback drafted in 6th round. At 19 Tatum dunked over Lebron and was team’s highest scorer and series best player in a 4-1 beat down of Simmons and Embiid. This thread sucks and should be burned.

That's great, 5 years from now he'll be 27 and no one on the current roster will be under contract. (he'll be 22 in a couple of months).

You can't make moves today on an UNCERTAIN future like that.

A Curry and Klay brother separated at birth doesn't average 37% 3 point shooting on 5.25 3PAs in the past two seasons. He's shooting almost exactly the same percentage 3 this year and last. (FYI league average in any given year is roughly 35- a little over 36%)

There is more evidence to suggest this is his norm than not. Progression and improvement is not guaranteed in player development and even regression is a solid possibility.

Going off and saying he's guaranteed to transform into one of the greatest shooters of all time in 5 years which is so far out the team can make zero moves off that unless it's guaranteed is not only hot take police central it's also an unusable take for GM of this franchise.

Hell we literally have no one signed that far into the future for a reason.

The only teams that could use that to their advantage are those with very young MVPs under long term team control. Like a DAL or a MIL.

Just for reference

Curry's previous 2 seasons: 10.75 3PAs per game on 43%
Klay's previous 2 seasons: 7.4 3PAs per game on 42.1%

Which is essentially the same as their career average 3 point shooting percentages.

Tatum’s shot is as great looking as the splash brothers - that’s not to say he’ll be as good as Curry.....but I think he’ll be better than Klay. It’s just a matter of time before the percentages improve. He is only 21 and is a career 39% 3 pt shooter.

At age 23 Curry averaged 14 ppg. At age 21 Klay averaged 12 ppg.

It’s easy to bash Tatum now. It’s going to look foolish sooner than later. Sports critics love to make outrageous attacks on the top tier players. Reminds me of Felger and Maz mocking the idea of trading the #3 pick for Jokic and Nurkic 4 years ago. Or Skip Bayless saying Lebron isn’t a winner. I guess it feels good to some to go against the grain and kick a guy when he is struggling to become a finished product. Pierce got it too and at age 21 he could only dream of being as good as Tatum is now.

Tatum is a max player and every GM in the NBA knows it. It’s not even up for debate. I guarantee that GSW front office would give him that contract in a nanosecond and happily give up every asset they have other than Curry/Klay to get him. To say you can’t make moves based on uncertain future.....what??? Tatum is our franchise....bank on it. Next topic please.

[Blaze4G]

Tatum probably frustrates me more than any player currently on our roster... but he has the highest ceiling of any player on or roster too.

During his rookie season, I thought that he could turn into our own version of Kevin Durant. He isn't there yet but if he ever figures out touch around the rim, then he's going to be an All-NBA type of player. Brown really improved on that this year so I'm hoping that Tatum eventually catches on, as well. If he eventually puts an end to the tunnel vision he gets at times, then that's just going to be the icing on the cake.

I don't even think finishing around the rim is his biggest problem (although it is a big problem). It is his handles when driving to the rim. I think his finishing around the rim is being affected by his handles driving to the rim. I feel like every time I see him drive to the basket, I expect a TO

Jaylen made a huge leap in his handles this year. Hoping Tatum can do the same next season....or by April (not likely but a guy can hope).

[GuyClinch]

Tatum projects more as star then superstar. I can live with that.. He is scoring a fair amount of points - but taking alot of shots to do so. That's not superstar stuff - superstars either score a ton of points or score a fair number super efficiently while doing a bunch of other stuff very well.

Expecting him to become a superstar passer or finisher seems like a long shot.. We could see him shooter better from 3 - and that should really improve his game..

[sully00]

Still too early to give up on him, IMO. With that being said, he needs to give up on Drew Hanlen. That guy sucks. Dan Gercart had a great tweet about it.

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Frankly, I think this is ****. When I heard Drew talk about what he worked on with Tatum is was getting comfortable taking a variety of shots from 3 point range, and his 3PAs are way up and he's setting them up with step backs, side steps, and all kinds of dribble moves. Besides if he said he focused on finishing through contact, that's good, because that's one of his weaknesses.

I think people don't like Hanlen because he's so much more visible than most trainers.

I mean, it'd be nice for Tatum's work with said trainer to pay off on going to the hoop stronger, but to your point, people thought Tatum took too many bad shots last year, right?. Assuming Hanlen was referring to this past offseason, it seems that part of Tatum's game has improved and the work has paid off there.

Sounds simplistic, but I feel like Tatum could be looking like a real star if he just finished better at the hoop more. I'd love to know how much of the 2 for 13 games he had Friday night are a product of missing 4 or 5 layups cause he didn't finish strong.

He has actually finished better at the hoop he started the season at like 44% inside of 3 ft which was horrible and I think the graphic last night had him at 66% over the last month. So somewhat problem solved. One thing I noticed is he seems to be laying the ball on the rim instead trying to use the back board a little technique thing that maybe making a big difference. I will take what he gave this team in December especially when you factor in how effective he has been a the PF spot defensively.

I don't think that it is that easy to be in the roles that Tatum and Brown are in. They are playing with proven all stars and not only need to establish themselves they need to do it while winning games. It is a rare situation for two guys so young to have won at such a high level while actually still trying to figure it all out. This isn't Kobe or Wade in Shaq's shadow or Kawhi and Duncan.

The winning that has gone on with this roster can't be underestimated. Jayson Tatum has played 193 regular season games, started all of them and won 65% of them meaning since the minute he walked on the NBA floor he was been winning games at 54 wins per season pace. This team is on pace to win 60 games this year. Over those 3 seasons Tatum has been the #3, #2, and now #1 scorer. Who else has done that period? Seriously that is Larry Bird and Magic Johnson stuff. James and Durant where into their 3rd season before they started winning games.

[sam_I_am]

Frankly, I think this is ****. When I heard Drew talk about what he worked on with Tatum is was getting comfortable taking a variety of shots from 3 point range, and his 3PAs are way up and he's setting them up with step backs, side steps, and all kinds of dribble moves. Besides if he said he focused on finishing through contact, that's good, because that's one of his weaknesses.

I think people don't like Hanlen because he's so much more visible than most trainers.

I mean, it'd be nice for Tatum's work with said trainer to pay off on going to the hoop stronger, but to your point, people thought Tatum took too many bad shots last year, right?. Assuming Hanlen was referring to this past offseason, it seems that part of Tatum's game has improved and the work has paid off there.

Sounds simplistic, but I feel like Tatum could be looking like a real star if he just finished better at the hoop more. I'd love to know how much of the 2 for 13 games he had Friday night are a product of missing 4 or 5 layups cause he didn't finish strong.

He has actually finished better at the hoop he started the season at like 44% inside of 3 ft which was horrible and I think the graphic last night had him at 66% over the last month. So somewhat problem solved. One thing I noticed is he seems to be laying the ball on the rim instead trying to use the back board a little technique thing that maybe making a big difference. I will take what he gave this team in December especially when you factor in how effective he has been a the PF spot defensively.

I don't think that it is that easy to be in the roles that Tatum and Brown are in. They are playing with proven all stars and not only need to establish themselves they need to do it while winning games. It is a rare situation for two guys so young to have won at such a high level while actually still trying to figure it all out. This isn't Kobe or Wade in Shaq's shadow or Kawhi and Duncan.

The winning that has gone on with this roster can't be underestimated. Jayson Tatum has played 193 regular season games, started all of them and won 65% of them meaning since the minute he walked on the NBA floor he was been winning games at 54 wins per season pace. This team is on pace to win 60 games this year. Over those 3 seasons Tatum has been the #3, #2, and now #1 scorer. Who else has done that period? Seriously that is Larry Bird and Magic Johnson stuff. James and Durant where into their 3rd season before they started winning games.

So in his last 19 games he is finishing at the rim at 64%.....a 20% improvement for this 21 yo in less than 2 months.... but Celtics nation is still frustrated because his 3 pt shooting (39% career) is “only” 37% .... which is better that Paul Pierce’s career 36% BTW. Only in Boston.....

[KGboss]

I mean, it'd be nice for Tatum's work with said trainer to pay off on going to the hoop stronger, but to your point, people thought Tatum took too many bad shots last year, right?. Assuming Hanlen was referring to this past offseason, it seems that part of Tatum's game has improved and the work has paid off there.

Sounds simplistic, but I feel like Tatum could be looking like a real star if he just finished better at the hoop more. I'd love to know how much of the 2 for 13 games he had Friday night are a product of missing 4 or 5 layups cause he didn't finish strong.

He has actually finished better at the hoop he started the season at like 44% inside of 3 ft which was horrible and I think the graphic last night had him at 66% over the last month. So somewhat problem solved. One thing I noticed is he seems to be laying the ball on the rim instead trying to use the back board a little technique thing that maybe making a big difference. I will take what he gave this team in December especially when you factor in how effective he has been a the PF spot defensively.

I don't think that it is that easy to be in the roles that Tatum and Brown are in. They are playing with proven all stars and not only need to establish themselves they need to do it while winning games. It is a rare situation for two guys so young to have won at such a high level while actually still trying to figure it all out. This isn't Kobe or Wade in Shaq's shadow or Kawhi and Duncan.

The winning that has gone on with this roster can't be underestimated. Jayson Tatum has played 193 regular season games, started all of them and won 65% of them meaning since the minute he walked on the NBA floor he was been winning games at 54 wins per season pace. This team is on pace to win 60 games this year. Over those 3 seasons Tatum has been the #3, #2, and now #1 scorer. Who else has done that period? Seriously that is Larry Bird and Magic Johnson stuff. James and Durant where into their 3rd season before they started winning games.

So in his last 19 games he is finishing at the rim at 64%.....a 20% improvement for this 21 yo in less than 2 months.... but Celtics nation is still frustrated because his 3 pt shooting (39% career) is “only” 37% .... which is better that Paul Pierce’s career 36% BTW. Only in Boston.....

People gotta bitch about something always.

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[Feed Your Head]

Tatum projects more as star then superstar. I can live with that.. He is scoring a fair amount of points - but taking alot of shots to do so. That's not superstar stuff - superstars either score a ton of points or score a fair number super efficiently while doing a bunch of other stuff very well.

Expecting him to become a superstar passer or finisher seems like a long shot.. We could see him shooter better from 3 - and that should really improve his game..

Depends on the definition of superstar, but even if he is never the elite of the elite offensively, his ability to play defense at the level that he does will make him a superstar IMO. Paul George like, a guy who is between a top 10-15 player.

[24istheLAW]

Tatum projects more as star then superstar. I can live with that.. He is scoring a fair amount of points - but taking alot of shots to do so. That's not superstar stuff - superstars either score a ton of points or score a fair number super efficiently while doing a bunch of other stuff very well.

Expecting him to become a superstar passer or finisher seems like a long shot.. We could see him shooter better from 3 - and that should really improve his game..

I don't think finishing/drawing fouls at a higher level is a long shot for Tatum.

He's seeking out more contact than ever. It hasn't translated to FTA all the time but it's a positive trend. As long as he develops physically, he'll end up getting more points at the FT line. Meanwhile his rebounding has gone up, potentially a side-effect of him getting stronger, and that could continue.

I agree that passer isn't happening. But ending up somewhere between a smaller Dirk and a PF Paul George doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to me.

[Green89]

When you lose to the Wiz without Beal, everyone sucks, at least until the next win.

[SichtingLives]

We have enough of a Tatum sample now: he's terrible. trade him for a superstar big, preferably Tim Duncan

[BostonCouchGM]

Tatum’s problem is he’s skilled like Kobe, has the same mindset too, but lacks elite athleticism to back it up. This basically makes him Paul Pierce lite. Now he just needs to focus his game on doing the things he CAN do rather than what he THINKS he can do, to reach Pierces level. If he does he can be a top 25 player. That’s not good enough to win a championship on his own but if we have two others like him we stand a chance. He’s not there yet. But he’s young

[wco81]

Whats the point in debating this?

Him being extended is a virtual lock, the only question is how big a deal he gets.

Considering deals that Murry and Simmons got, it's likely to be a max or close to it

Though that may tick off Brown a bit.

[GrandTheftRondo]

It’s maddening how many layups he misses considering his pretty handy wingman, height and his crafty moves.

[philing00]

Pounds the rock too much and can’t seem to take advantage of mismatches. Will never be a no1 if he can’t fix that or know what to do when he gets doubled. Needs to learn pnr from Smart and finishing at the basket from Kemba.
On defence he’s better off than onball but can be guilty of overhelping and leaving his man open.

[theman]

Jayson Tatum is the best player on the team and the third best player in the league under the age of 22.*








*Based on fantasy points.

[Banks2Pierce]

I agree that passer isn't happening.

Feel like all of the best wings in this league seem to double their assists/36 as they move from their early to mid 20s and become more dominant scorers. Not sure I'd write this aspect off yet.

[Dannyboy36]

Tatum’s problem is he’s skilled like Kobe, has the same mindset too, but lacks elite athleticism to back it up. This basically makes him Paul Pierce lite. Now he just needs to focus his game on doing the things he CAN do rather than what he THINKS he can do, to reach Pierces level. If he does he can be a top 25 player. That’s not good enough to win a championship on his own but if we have two others like him we stand a chance. He’s not there yet. But he’s young

This is where I’m at. I’ve never understood Bostonians saying we have a future top 5-10 player. I mean you never know but he’d have to take an unheard of improvement. Top 20-25 I think is a reasonable hope. He IS only in year 3 but some talk about what a great scorer he is. He averages 20 on poor shooting. He’ll get there but this is not a guy that can drop 20 in a quarter just like that. I think he takes terrible shots still but this is on Brad. Brad doesn’t check him or Marcus.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Tatum is never going to be a star or someone to build around because he's just too inconsistent.

We have no idea if he is going to shoot 8-12 or 1-15 the next game. Going to be rough when Ainge offers him a 115 million contact in the summer.

[jfs1000d]

Lol. Thank you for your interest in Boston Celtics basketballs


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