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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#281 » by ciueli » Tue Jan 7, 2020 4:48 pm

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ciueli wrote:From the Ringer : https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/1/6/21051253/andre-drummond-nba-trade-deadline-hawks-raptors-celtics
That leaves Toronto, far and away the most logical destination for Drummond. Marc Gasol’s $25.6 million expiring deal makes salary matching simple, and the Raptors may be more willing than most to forfeit a first-round pick, confident that it will land toward the tail end of the draft order. Gasol could be subsequently bought out to latch on to a contender, saving Detroit some money in a lost season.


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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#282 » by redeye514 » Tue Jan 7, 2020 4:57 pm

Ibaka > Drummond.

Gasol >>> Drummond.

The Raptors are contenders, why on earth would Masai worsen his team for another expiring contract???

Why is this thread 14 pages?!?!?
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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#283 » by Zeno » Tue Jan 7, 2020 5:26 pm

I would definitely rather trade Serge and if I’m trading Gasol, I’m not giving up a 1st and sending him to a team where he’ll reach the buyout market and a competitor like Boston or Miami in the East.

I’d consider this...
Toronto trades: Gasol, Powell and a 2nd
Toronto gets: Drummond,Rose

Dallas gets: Gasol, Powell
Dallas trades: Hardaway Jr, Courtney Lee, a 2nd

Detroit gets: Hardaway Jr, Courtney Lee, two 2nds
Detroit trades: Drummond, Rose
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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#284 » by ciueli » Tue Jan 7, 2020 5:27 pm

redeye514 wrote:Ibaka > Drummond.

Gasol >>> Drummond.

The Raptors are contenders, why on earth would Masai worsen his team for another expiring contract???

Why is this thread 14 pages?!?!?


Because Gasol is out injured, the team is desperate for some size, and they're one of the worst rebounding teams in the league. Drummond is currently the league leader in RPG and has led the league in RPG for 4 of the last 5 seasons.
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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#285 » by Jstock12 » Tue Jan 7, 2020 5:40 pm

Zeno wrote:I would definitely rather trade Serge and if I’m trading Gasol, I’m not giving up a 1st and sending him to a team where he’ll reach the buyout market and a competitor like Boston or Miami in the East.

I’d consider this...
Toronto trades: Gasol, Powell and a 2nd
Toronto gets: Drummond,Rose

Dallas gets: Gasol, Powell
Dallas trades: Hardaway Jr, Courtney Lee, a 2nd

Detroit gets: Hardaway Jr, Courtney Lee, two 2nds
Detroit trades: Drummond, Rose


I fail to see how this trade makes any sense for Dallas whatsoever. Why would they trade away a pick, a really good scorer in Hardaway (who is thriving alongside Doncic) for a breaking down, washed up Gasol who's turning 35 this month and doesn't fit their timeline AT ALL. It's very clear this is a trade idea from a Raptors fan :)
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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#286 » by redeye514 » Tue Jan 7, 2020 5:46 pm

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Zeno wrote:I would definitely rather trade Serge and if I’m trading Gasol, I’m not giving up a 1st and sending him to a team where he’ll reach the buyout market and a competitor like Boston or Miami in the East.

I’d consider this...
Toronto trades: Gasol, Powell and a 2nd
Toronto gets: Drummond,Rose

Dallas gets: Gasol, Powell
Dallas trades: Hardaway Jr, Courtney Lee, a 2nd

Detroit gets: Hardaway Jr, Courtney Lee, two 2nds
Detroit trades: Drummond, Rose


I fail to see how this trade makes any sense for Dallas whatsoever. Why would they trade away a pick, a really good scorer in Hardaway (who is thriving alongside Doncic) for a breaking down, washed up Gasol who's turning 35 this month and doesn't fit their timeline AT ALL. It's very clear this is a trade idea from a Raptors fan :)


Really? I think swapping Gasol/Powell for Drummond/Rose makes us worse. Much worse.
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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#287 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Jan 7, 2020 5:53 pm

ciueli wrote:
redeye514 wrote:Ibaka > Drummond.

Gasol >>> Drummond.

The Raptors are contenders, why on earth would Masai worsen his team for another expiring contract???

Why is this thread 14 pages?!?!?


Because Gasol is out injured, the team is desperate for some size, and they're one of the worst rebounding teams in the league. Drummond is currently the league leader in RPG and has led the league in RPG for 4 of the last 5 seasons.


But he can't do anything but rebound though...
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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#288 » by redeye514 » Tue Jan 7, 2020 5:53 pm

ciueli wrote:
redeye514 wrote:Ibaka > Drummond.

Gasol >>> Drummond.

The Raptors are contenders, why on earth would Masai worsen his team for another expiring contract???

Why is this thread 14 pages?!?!?


Because Gasol is out injured, the team is desperate for some size, and they're one of the worst rebounding teams in the league. Drummond is currently the league leader in RPG and has led the league in RPG for 4 of the last 5 seasons.


I guess we'll agree to disagree.

1. Drummond over Gasol does not make us better this year. I think Gasol is a defensive stud and our 3rd / 4th best facilitator on offence. He knows how to vocally quarterback a team's D and keep the ball moving, both of which will be super important in the playoffs. Drummond makes us much much MUCH worse defensively, irrelevant of how many boards he gets... sometimes guys (Drummond!) sacrifice defensive rotations to just stand around the 'rebounding zone' to get their stats...

2. I dont think we're 'desperate for size', especially once Gasol is back in the coming days / weeks. We right in the mix for the #2 seed as is, despite our injuries.. we are doing just fine and dont need to make a desperation move.

Again, just a difference of opinion I guess. Mine is simple. Drummond is trash, and his rebounding stats are hollow + do not impact winning. Gasol is a savvy vet who impacts winning in ways that don't show up in the stat sheet, and will be fine enough for the rest of this year.
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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#289 » by Jstock12 » Tue Jan 7, 2020 5:55 pm

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Jstock12 wrote:
Zeno wrote:I would definitely rather trade Serge and if I’m trading Gasol, I’m not giving up a 1st and sending him to a team where he’ll reach the buyout market and a competitor like Boston or Miami in the East.

I’d consider this...
Toronto trades: Gasol, Powell and a 2nd
Toronto gets: Drummond,Rose

Dallas gets: Gasol, Powell
Dallas trades: Hardaway Jr, Courtney Lee, a 2nd

Detroit gets: Hardaway Jr, Courtney Lee, two 2nds
Detroit trades: Drummond, Rose


I fail to see how this trade makes any sense for Dallas whatsoever. Why would they trade away a pick, a really good scorer in Hardaway (who is thriving alongside Doncic) for a breaking down, washed up Gasol who's turning 35 this month and doesn't fit their timeline AT ALL. [b]It's very clear this is a trade idea from a Raptors fan :)[b]


Really? I think swapping Gasol/Powell for Drummond/Rose makes us worse. Much worse.


Drummond/Rose would make a whole lot more sense for Dallas than Gasol/Powell. Cuban would definitely hang up the phone on this one.
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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#290 » by alienchild » Tue Jan 7, 2020 5:58 pm

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ciueli wrote:
redeye514 wrote:Ibaka > Drummond.

Gasol >>> Drummond.

The Raptors are contenders, why on earth would Masai worsen his team for another expiring contract???

Why is this thread 14 pages?!?!?


Because Gasol is out injured, the team is desperate for some size, and they're one of the worst rebounding teams in the league. Drummond is currently the league leader in RPG and has led the league in RPG for 4 of the last 5 seasons.


But he can't do anything but rebound though...


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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#291 » by Asif16 » Tue Jan 7, 2020 6:00 pm

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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#292 » by ruckus » Tue Jan 7, 2020 6:02 pm

ciueli wrote:
redeye514 wrote:Ibaka > Drummond.

Gasol >>> Drummond.

The Raptors are contenders, why on earth would Masai worsen his team for another expiring contract???

Why is this thread 14 pages?!?!?


Because Gasol is out injured, the team is desperate for some size, and they're one of the worst rebounding teams in the league. Drummond is currently the league leader in RPG and has led the league in RPG for 4 of the last 5 seasons.


Although Drummond is a great rebounder, I don't think it makes up for his shortcomings in other areas. He doesn't spread the floor, his post game is average at best and although he's been better this year, his passing isn't much to speak about. Plus, his defense isn't all that great either.

A straight swap of Gasol for Drummond makes us weaker in every area on the floor outside of rebounding.

Boston has a similar makeup to our team in terms of size yet they rebound the ball much better. The Raps need to do a better job at boxing out and securing the board before getting out in transition.
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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#293 » by Young_Buc » Tue Jan 7, 2020 6:41 pm

My only hope is that the magician Nurse can somehow fix Drummond into the defensive beast he's supposed to be.

Plus I trust Masai. If he sees talent in Drummond season after season. I trust it.
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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#294 » by Zeno » Tue Jan 7, 2020 6:44 pm

Jstock12 wrote:
redeye514 wrote:
Jstock12 wrote:
I fail to see how this trade makes any sense for Dallas whatsoever. Why would they trade away a pick, a really good scorer in Hardaway (who is thriving alongside Doncic) for a breaking down, washed up Gasol who's turning 35 this month and doesn't fit their timeline AT ALL. [b]It's very clear this is a trade idea from a Raptors fan :)[b]


Really? I think swapping Gasol/Powell for Drummond/Rose makes us worse. Much worse.



Drummond/Rose would make a whole lot more sense for Dallas than Gasol/Powell. Cuban would definitely hang up the phone on this one.

Ok, you are probably right. The money works for Dallas to cut us out of the deal too. Though Carlise has made comments about lineups that prioritize spacing. That was my thinking on Gasol for them. Anyway just playing with the trade machine.
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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#295 » by Johnny Bball » Tue Jan 7, 2020 7:15 pm

ciueli wrote:
redeye514 wrote:Ibaka > Drummond.

Gasol >>> Drummond.

The Raptors are contenders, why on earth would Masai worsen his team for another expiring contract???

Why is this thread 14 pages?!?!?


Because Gasol is out injured, the team is desperate for some size, and they're one of the worst rebounding teams in the league. Drummond is currently the league leader in RPG and has led the league in RPG for 4 of the last 5 seasons.


And yet Detroit remains 22nd in team defensive rebounding rate. I think that tells us something, and not that the rest of the team sucks at rebounding.
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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#296 » by Johnny Bball » Tue Jan 7, 2020 7:18 pm

Jstock12 wrote:
Zeno wrote:I would definitely rather trade Serge and if I’m trading Gasol, I’m not giving up a 1st and sending him to a team where he’ll reach the buyout market and a competitor like Boston or Miami in the East.

I’d consider this...
Toronto trades: Gasol, Powell and a 2nd
Toronto gets: Drummond,Rose

Dallas gets: Gasol, Powell
Dallas trades: Hardaway Jr, Courtney Lee, a 2nd

Detroit gets: Hardaway Jr, Courtney Lee, two 2nds
Detroit trades: Drummond, Rose


I fail to see how this trade makes any sense for Dallas whatsoever. Why would they trade away a pick, a really good scorer in Hardaway (who is thriving alongside Doncic) for a breaking down, washed up Gasol who's turning 35 this month and doesn't fit their timeline AT ALL. It's very clear this is a trade idea from a Raptors fan :)


Dallas does this in a heartbeat. Hardaway Jr. ain't that great that Powell can't make up for him and Courtney Lee is... well...

Raptors say no.
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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#297 » by Jstock12 » Tue Jan 7, 2020 7:30 pm

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Jstock12 wrote:
Zeno wrote:I would definitely rather trade Serge and if I’m trading Gasol, I’m not giving up a 1st and sending him to a team where he’ll reach the buyout market and a competitor like Boston or Miami in the East.

I’d consider this...
Toronto trades: Gasol, Powell and a 2nd
Toronto gets: Drummond,Rose

Dallas gets: Gasol, Powell
Dallas trades: Hardaway Jr, Courtney Lee, a 2nd

Detroit gets: Hardaway Jr, Courtney Lee, two 2nds
Detroit trades: Drummond, Rose


I fail to see how this trade makes any sense for Dallas whatsoever. Why would they trade away a pick, a really good scorer in Hardaway (who is thriving alongside Doncic) for a breaking down, washed up Gasol who's turning 35 this month and doesn't fit their timeline AT ALL. It's very clear this is a trade idea from a Raptors fan :)


Dallas does this in a heartbeat.


LOL nope. And Masai would jump on this for sure.
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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#298 » by ciueli » Tue Jan 7, 2020 10:27 pm

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Although Drummond is a great rebounder, I don't think it makes up for his shortcomings in other areas. He doesn't spread the floor, his post game is average at best and although he's been better this year, his passing isn't much to speak about.


In the playoffs we saw teams let him shoot all he wants from 3, it means he's nowhere near the rim to do what a centre should be doing, passing out of the post, putting pressure on the defence by going for offensive rebounds, cutting in for high percentage lob dunks. His 2 point percentage this season is, quite frankly, embarrassing (37.6%). He's really fallen off offensively. At least Drummond can dunk the ball at the rim on a lob.

ruckus wrote: Plus, his defense isn't all that great either.


1.9 blocks per game, and a defensive box +/- of 4.6, better than Gasol's numbers in those areas in spite of the fact that he plays on a bad team with the two other decent players on the team both out (Reggie Jackson and Blake Griffin).

ruckus wrote:A straight swap of Gasol for Drummond makes us weaker in every area on the floor outside of rebounding.


You're comparing him to Gasol from last year, not exhausted and now injured Gasol from this season. Other than defence, Gasol from this season has been pretty terrible. I would argue that at least part of the positive defence is that our team overall is a good defensive one, a lot of his Box +/- number was built when we had everyone healthy and were winning a bunch of games against bad teams before he got injured.

What it really comes down to is that Gasol is out. Drummond is a player who can play and Gasol can't, probably because the strain of a long playoff run followed by extensive offseason play and inevitable age related decline. Maybe he'll get healthy at some point this season, maybe his play will pick up a bit after an extended rest, we can only hope. If Siakam wasn't also out for an extended period of time, it would probably be fine, but the Raptors are trying to stay in this Eastern Conference seeding fight with injuries piling up. Maybe the answer is becoming sellers instead of buyers, but in my view if the goal is to compete this season something needs to be done.
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Re: [Goodwill] Raptors Showing Interest In Andre Drummond 

Post#299 » by Badonkadonk » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:46 am

Anybody who thinks Drummond would be anything other than a net negative on this team should check out some of tonights game if you have league pass or can find a stream.

He looked like the worst player on the court for stretches, at home, in a loss against the Bulls. He was also a -14, which doesn't always correlate to play perfectly, but definitely passes the eye test tonight.

He's just not good at anything other than rebounding and finishing right at the rim.
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Post#300 » by djsunyc » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:18 am

Badonkadonk wrote:Anybody who thinks Drummond would be anything other than a net negative on this team should check out some of tonights game if you have league pass or can find a stream.

He looked like the worst player on the court for stretches, at home, in a loss against the Bulls. He was also a -14, which doesn't always correlate to play perfectly, but definitely passes the eye test tonight.

He's just not good at anything other than rebounding and finishing right at the rim.


i don't like drummond at all but its easy to simply not care anymore in that type of environment.

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