Fiserv Forum Thread - Full (Almost) Capacity Now

[BradMKE]

Ah, I’m on the “pay in full” plan instead of the multiple payments plan so that explains the different billing dates.

[Thunder Muscle]

Looks like STHers will be autobilled on January 15th for next year. I haven't seen any pricing yet. My tickets went up 30% last year and afraid they will go up again. First year of Fiserve was a steal due to the Bucks being good, this year was still worth it, but if prices go up again I'm not sure it worth the hassle of finding someone to use tickets again in early December.

Add in the looming Super Max deadline, I might opt out and wait until end of summer if any seats are still available.

Where did you get the January 15th date? The email I received on 12/19 says February 15th.

As a benefit for being part of our Green and Growing, automatic renewal, your first payment for the 2020-2021 season will be ran on January 15, 2020. This will be your first of twelve payments. Your first payment amount will be based on the current season's monthly payment plan.

Once we finalize pricing for the 2020-21 season, we will be sending updated payment information to reflect what your payments will be from February onward.

I think it is kind of a joke and arrogant of the organization to make fans put down a deposit with pricing to be determined later. Basic business law says they have to make it refundable since it's not a valid contract but really rubs me the wrong way that they take our renewal from granted after 2.5 years of decent basketball and 2 playoff series wins in thirty years.

The only reason this makes sense is they want to see how many people renew so they can see how much they can raise ticket prices.

My biggest complaint is how they lock you in and then add stipulations and change items like loyalty program after the fact. Example, locked into 2 year agreement for last year of BC and year 1 of Fiserv. Weeks before last season they drop how season ticket holders cant sell more 1/3 of their tickets. This year they changed the pricing of extra seats and announced it after everyone was locked in from over the summer. That stuff bugs me the most.

[Mags FTW]

In honor of Jim Stingl retiring I was going to post his stupid column about how the Bucks didn't need a new arena because the BC was still clean, looked relatively new, blah, blah, blah...but I couldn't find it. If anyone else can, feel free.

[Thunder Muscle]

In honor of Jim Stingl retiring I was going to post his stupid column about how the Bucks didn't need a new arena because the BC was still clean, looked relatively new, blah, blah, blah...but I couldn't find it. If anyone else can, feel free.

http://archive.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/bucks-sale-signals-that-milwaukee-too-will-have-to-pay-up-b99250141z1-255738531.html

[trwi7]

On a scale of Woelfel to Woodward/Bernstein that article ranks a lot closer to Woodward/Bernstein. Most of his articles are Woelfel level awful.

[Mags FTW]

In honor of Jim Stingl retiring I was going to post his stupid column about how the Bucks didn't need a new arena because the BC was still clean, looked relatively new, blah, blah, blah...but I couldn't find it. If anyone else can, feel free.

http://archive.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/bucks-sale-signals-that-milwaukee-too-will-have-to-pay-up-b99250141z1-255738531.html

Yeah I saw that, but that's not the one.

The one I'm thinking of is where he actually went to a game and said he doesn't understand why we need a new arena because the building is still in good condition, he didn't have to wait in line for the bathroom, etc.

[JEIS]

Read on Twitter

They built it and they sure came.

In 1988, the Bradley Center became the new home of the Milwaukee Bucks. It was a magnificent, state-of-the-art facility that was envisioned to provide the Bucks with a hefty and much-needed boost at the gate.

The Bucks had previously called the Milwaukee Arena their home and, while the Arena was charming, it was also small. Built in 1950, the Arena had a seating capacity of only 12,200. The BC, on the other hand, had a seating capacity of 18,717 for basketball games.

The Bucks wound up drawing 700,984 fans for 41 regular-season games — an average of 17,097 per game — during their first season in the BC. That was substantially more than the 10,771 average from the previous season in the Arena.

After three decades of playing in the BC, the Bucks relocated down the block once again, this time into Fiserv Forum, a chic facility with a seating capacity of 17,500.

As expected, the Bucks saw a bump in attendance from the previous season in the BC. But it wasn’t nearly as enormous as the one they received after moving to the BC from the Arena. After averaging 16,714 fans in their BC farewell season, the Bucks averaged 17,602 in Fiserv last season.

What’s more, in the Bucks’ first season in the BC, their attendance total of 700,984 ranked seventh among the then 25 NBA teams. In comparison, the Bucks’ total attendance last season in Fiserv was 721,672. Yet, that ranked just 17th in the now 30-team league.

So, how are the Bucks faring against the other 29 NBA teams so far this season?

After 15 regular-season home games, the Bucks rank 18th in the league in average attendance at 17,509 – just a smidgen down from last season.

That decline is reminiscent of the Bucks’ decrease in attendance in their second season in the Bradley Center.

After ranking seventh in the league with an average attendance of 17,097 in their first season in the BC, the Bucks dropped to 10th at 16,087 during the 1988-1989 season.

The Bucks’ average attendance this season is also more than 3,000 fewer the Philadelphia 76ers’, the top drawing home team in the NBA. The 76ers’ average home attendance is 20,517.

Basic math is hard. The Bucks are averaging a sellout. Maybe compare seating capacity to total attendance?

— One might assume the Bucks would be a “must-see’’ team for fans in other NBA cities, especially since they boast a marquee player in Giannis Antetokounmpo.

But that assumption isn’t true. The Bucks rank a mere 19th in average road attendance at 17,380.

Not surprisingly, the LeBron James-led Lakers are packing arenas around the league. The Lakers are averaging a league-best 18,876 on the road.

Interestingly, three of the NBA’s worst teams –Cleveland (18,666), New York (18,430) and New Orleans (18,407) – are ranked second through fourth in average road attendances.

The Bucks have played 2 away games against teams in the top 10 of average home attendance. No **** the road attendance is low. They've played 6 games in cities with bottom 10 home attendance. I guess the Cavs and Knicks are must see in person teams.

The capacity for Fiserv is 17,500... the BC was 20,000.

Numbers are going to look crappier when we have less seats in the new arena, and when they are comparing it too arenas with higher seating capacity.

[MickeyDavis]

Yeah it's dumb to compare just the numbers rather than percent. BC was at 18,717 at the end.

[MrHoneycutt]

In honor of Jim Stingl retiring I was going to post his stupid column about how the Bucks didn't need a new arena because the BC was still clean, looked relatively new, blah, blah, blah...but I couldn't find it. If anyone else can, feel free.

complex feelings regarding how all municipalities are held up for arena funding aside, couldn't agree more from a macro-level. Stingl has been the hokiest hack in town since forever, it's astounding he's been employed for this long. Then again, he worked for the JS, in good company with the Gary D'Amatos and Cliff Christls of the world.

[soxperry]

Anyone else with season tix having great luck reselling the golden state game? I swapped into an extra pair and each set sold for more than face in the past five days. The good seats sold for 60% over face which is the most this season outside of Lakers. I dont understand this.

So far sales have been pretty bad. Ive lost a good chunk of money so far. How is everyone else doing? I didnt want or expect to make money off this i just wanted to break even and get face value playoff tix.

[talbert]

Anyone else with season tix having great luck reselling the golden state game? I swapped into an extra pair and each set sold for more than face in the past five days. The good seats sold for 60% over face which is the most this season outside of Lakers. I dont understand this.

So far sales have been pretty bad. Ive lost a good chunk of money so far. How is everyone else doing? I didnt want or expect to make money off this i just wanted to break even and get face value playoff tix.

I've just about made my money back for the year, but I've only gone to two games. My golden state tickets went for about 60% over face as well.

I agree that sales have been tough this year. Last year I went to 25 games and still made my money back.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Anyone else with season tix having great luck reselling the golden state game? I swapped into an extra pair and each set sold for more than face in the past five days. The good seats sold for 60% over face which is the most this season outside of Lakers. I dont understand this.

So far sales have been pretty bad. Ive lost a good chunk of money so far. How is everyone else doing? I didnt want or expect to make money off this i just wanted to break even and get face value playoff tix.

Yeah, I did the same for the Warriors. Maybe because late season Saturday games sell well and people still think the Warriors are good?

Overall, not doing great outside of the Lakers. Work and family travel had me selling LAL, LAC, Jazz, Mavs, Pelicans and other marquee games. I'm recouping a decent amount to subsidize the games I go to but not really worth the effort. Probably better to just pick 10 games I want to go to and buy last minute. It really comes down to playoff tickets. I have a feeling they are going to screw us over on that once we are locked in for next regular season (really debating if I am going to reup).

[neiLz]

I have a nephew who has really nice season tocket seats (130 face value). He said he sold quite a few and the cheapest they went for was face value (Orlando game). He made 1500 per ticket for the laker game.

I've seen some people here state season ticket holders can't sell more than a 1/3 of their tix.

I'm looking to get some season tickets next year and probably these type of seats but I'd have to sell quite a few to supplement some of the cost. Is it true you can't sell more than a third? Or you can only sell a third via the NBA ticket app?

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I have a nephew who has really nice season tocket seats (130 face value). He said he sold quite a few and the cheapest they went for was face value (Orlando game). He made 1500 per ticket for the laker game.

I've seen some people here state season ticket holders can't sell more than a 1/3 of their tix.

I'm looking to get some season tickets next year and probably these type of seats but I'd have to sell quite a few to supplement some of the cost. Is it true you can't sell more than a third? Or you can only sell a third via the NBA ticket app?

Unless they give you playoff tickets this year, I would be nervous being in a position where I would need to sell more than a 1/3 games at greater than cost. Giannis hasn't signed the supermax yet and if he pulls a Davis those tickets will be worth about $10 in January. If you are ok with that risk, go for it. Even if they restrict resell to 1/3, they really can't restrict selling to friends.

[soxperry]

I have a nephew who has really nice season tocket seats (130 face value). He said he sold quite a few and the cheapest they went for was face value (Orlando game). He made 1500 per ticket for the laker game.

I've seen some people here state season ticket holders can't sell more than a 1/3 of their tix.

I'm looking to get some season tickets next year and probably these type of seats but I'd have to sell quite a few to supplement some of the cost. Is it true you can't sell more than a third? Or you can only sell a third via the NBA ticket app?

Unless they give you playoff tickets this year, I would be nervous being in a position where I would need to sell more than a 1/3 games at greater than cost. Giannis hasn't signed the supermax yet and if he pulls a Davis those tickets will be worth about $10 in January. If you are ok with that risk, go for it. Even if they restrict resell to 1/3, they really can't restrict selling to friends.

When i bought tickets they snuck in the 1/3 rule after i had already provided credit card info. But that was prior to playoffs last season. Others have said that it was never brought up for this season in the emails. In theory, i think the rule only applies to Ticketmaster resale. They cant track your stubhub sales, at least i dont think, and ive had a lot better luck since i switched to stubhub anyway.

[neiLz]

I have a nephew who has really nice season tocket seats (130 face value). He said he sold quite a few and the cheapest they went for was face value (Orlando game). He made 1500 per ticket for the laker game.

I've seen some people here state season ticket holders can't sell more than a 1/3 of their tix.

I'm looking to get some season tickets next year and probably these type of seats but I'd have to sell quite a few to supplement some of the cost. Is it true you can't sell more than a third? Or you can only sell a third via the NBA ticket app?

Unless they give you playoff tickets this year, I would be nervous being in a position where I would need to sell more than a 1/3 games at greater than cost. Giannis hasn't signed the supermax yet and if he pulls a Davis those tickets will be worth about $10 in January. If you are ok with that risk, go for it. Even if they restrict resell to 1/3, they really can't restrict selling to friends.

When i bought tickets they snuck in the 1/3 rule after i had already provided credit card info. But that was prior to playoffs last season. Others have said that it was never brought up for this season in the emails. In theory, i think the rule only applies to Ticketmaster resale. They cant track your stubhub sales, at least i dont think, and ive had a lot better luck since i switched to stubhub anyway.

Cool thanks for the info. Im probably going to wait for a supermax for giannis.

[soxperry]

I have a nephew who has really nice season tocket seats (130 face value). He said he sold quite a few and the cheapest they went for was face value (Orlando game). He made 1500 per ticket for the laker game.

I've seen some people here state season ticket holders can't sell more than a 1/3 of their tix.

I'm looking to get some season tickets next year and probably these type of seats but I'd have to sell quite a few to supplement some of the cost. Is it true you can't sell more than a third? Or you can only sell a third via the NBA ticket app?

Interesting. Im just going to shamelessly ask: do you know what kind of section and approximate row is he in? Mine are 100 dollar corner lowers in row 13 but if i can pay a little more for a break even situation i would be thrilled.

[Thunder Muscle]

Anyone else with season tix having great luck reselling the golden state game? I swapped into an extra pair and each set sold for more than face in the past five days. The good seats sold for 60% over face which is the most this season outside of Lakers. I dont understand this.

So far sales have been pretty bad. Ive lost a good chunk of money so far. How is everyone else doing? I didnt want or expect to make money off this i just wanted to break even and get face value playoff tix.

Yeah, I did the same for the Warriors. Maybe because late season Saturday games sell well and people still think the Warriors are good?

Overall, not doing great outside of the Lakers. Work and family travel had me selling LAL, LAC, Jazz, Mavs, Pelicans and other marquee games. I'm recouping a decent amount to subsidize the games I go to but not really worth the effort. Probably better to just pick 10 games I want to go to and buy last minute. It really comes down to playoff tickets. I have a feeling they are going to screw us over on that once we are locked in for next regular season (really debating if I am going to reup).

I will come out ahead but I kept my seats in upper level where I feel it's been easier to recoup initial investment. Overall I'm on par with last year.

Lakers, Clippers, 76ers, and Warriors been my cash cows and I could've gotten much more for Lakers than I did. Think I've had about 5-6 games where I broke even or took loss. Granted I banked some **** games to use on upgrades too.

Curious how playoffs are handled too. I bought into lower level last year but assume they are gonna be priced much higher this year (i.e. no STH discounts).

[Thunder Muscle]

I have a nephew who has really nice season tocket seats (130 face value). He said he sold quite a few and the cheapest they went for was face value (Orlando game). He made 1500 per ticket for the laker game.

I've seen some people here state season ticket holders can't sell more than a 1/3 of their tix.

I'm looking to get some season tickets next year and probably these type of seats but I'd have to sell quite a few to supplement some of the cost. Is it true you can't sell more than a third? Or you can only sell a third via the NBA ticket app?

Unless they give you playoff tickets this year, I would be nervous being in a position where I would need to sell more than a 1/3 games at greater than cost. Giannis hasn't signed the supermax yet and if he pulls a Davis those tickets will be worth about $10 in January. If you are ok with that risk, go for it. Even if they restrict resell to 1/3, they really can't restrict selling to friends.

When i bought tickets they snuck in the 1/3 rule after i had already provided credit card info. But that was prior to playoffs last season. Others have said that it was never brought up for this season in the emails. In theory, i think the rule only applies to Ticketmaster resale. They cant track your stubhub sales, at least i dont think, and ive had a lot better luck since i switched to stubhub anyway.

This. I don't know if its enforced but it was mentioned in an email again this year that I saw. But it mainly applies to NBA Ticketmaster Exchange as they can track it. I'm kind of surprised they have the rule b/c its driving away business from TM to places like StubHub/TickPick. I'm out for sure if they ever enforce this or limit transfers - which cant see them doing with businesses, etc.

[BradMKE]

I’ve kept my tickets for 8 games and sold the rest of the games through the end of February and I’m already in the black (after fees) for the whole season with all of the March and April tickets still in my account to be used and/or sold. Just like last year once the holidays/gift-giving season arrived it’s been great for sales.