Around the NBA #3 - Kevin Twitterfingers' RGM Burner Edition

[Adelheid]

Kendrick Perkins keeping it real. You just have to respect that dawg.

[KnicksGadfly]

If that's the case, what does it say about everybody's new GOAT LeBron then? Didn't he have three all stars to play with? Still can't beat them? Still unfair? But he's the goat.........

Hmm I don't wanna really defend Lebron, but that championship he won with Cleveland was legit more impressive than anything KD's ever done, or any of his Miami exploits. I will say that his Miami rings feel cheap as hell though, as cheap as KD's rings. Don't really care about Lebron.

KD, though, deserves crap for being weak. Figures he'd end up with the New Jersey Nets.

Sounds fair. Do you think he should have stayed in Oklahoma next to freaking Russell Westbrook and Donovan, the two most limited basketball minds in the NBA? Just because that would have been heroic?

Nah, it's his right to go. Hell, I can sorta understand why he made his choices, but he's not gonna get it all and he's not gonna get the respect that he wants or could have earned.

Put it this way: I don't think KD's legacy is even close to Kawhi Leonard's legacy right now, but it's not because of any talent gap.

[JXL]

Reminder: Perkins won a ring before KD, so he has a right to talk truth.

[Knicksfan1992]

If that's the case, what does it say about everybody's new GOAT LeBron then? Didn't he have three all stars to play with? Still can't beat them? Still unfair? But he's the goat.........

Hmm I don't wanna really defend Lebron, but that championship he won with Cleveland was legit more impressive than anything KD's ever done, or any of his Miami exploits. I will say that his Miami rings feel cheap as hell though, as cheap as KD's rings. Don't really care about Lebron.

KD, though, deserves crap for being weak. Figures he'd end up with the New Jersey Nets.

Sounds fair. Do you think he should have stayed in Oklahoma next to freaking Russell Westbrook and Donovan, the two most limited basketball minds in the NBA? Just because that would have been heroic?

Billy Donovan is proving this year he's not a "limited mind"

[spree2kawhi]

Hmm I don't wanna really defend Lebron, but that championship he won with Cleveland was legit more impressive than anything KD's ever done, or any of his Miami exploits. I will say that his Miami rings feel cheap as hell though, as cheap as KD's rings. Don't really care about Lebron.

KD, though, deserves crap for being weak. Figures he'd end up with the New Jersey Nets.

Sounds fair. Do you think he should have stayed in Oklahoma next to freaking Russell Westbrook and Donovan, the two most limited basketball minds in the NBA? Just because that would have been heroic?

Billy Donovan is proving this year he's not a "limited mind"

If you want to credit him with their success you're probably going to. In my view, he's got 5 basketball players on his roster. Three happen to be point guards. Playing them is not a revolution to me.

If you were really intent on arguing about this, I'd make you go back to those playoff games where Durant and Westbrook were merely taking turns from the top of the key while the other was standing around. There was literally no motion, they were basically what Houston is today, minus some of the speed and savvy getting switches on offense.

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Here you see one team with a deep playbook full of player movement, curls and pin down action on the one side and a team solely relying on individual talent and one-on-one action. It's blatant. To me that's been a historically bad coaching job throughout that season.

[Knicksfan1992]

Sounds fair. Do you think he should have stayed in Oklahoma next to freaking Russell Westbrook and Donovan, the two most limited basketball minds in the NBA? Just because that would have been heroic?

Billy Donovan is proving this year he's not a "limited mind"

If you want to credit him with their success you're probably going to. In my view, he's got 5 basketball players on his roster. Three happen to be point guards. Playing them is not a revolution to me.

If you were really intent on arguing about this, I'd make you go back to those playoff games where Durant and Westbrook were merely taking turns from the top of the key while the other was standing around. There was literally no motion, they were basically what Houston is today, minus some of the speed and savvy getting switches on offense.

Maybe it's because that's how Durant and Westbrook wanted/forced the team to play... Look at KD's comments after he left the Warriors, he was critical of them not letting him ISO enough.

Now look at what Billy has been able to do with guys who actually want to play within a system predicated on ball movement.

FWIW I don't blame Billy for acquiescing to Durant and Westbrook. Those guys in their primes are worth caving too IMO. That's part of being a good coach.

[spree2kawhi]

Billy Donovan is proving this year he's not a "limited mind"

If you want to credit him with their success you're probably going to. In my view, he's got 5 basketball players on his roster. Three happen to be point guards. Playing them is not a revolution to me.

If you were really intent on arguing about this, I'd make you go back to those playoff games where Durant and Westbrook were merely taking turns from the top of the key while the other was standing around. There was literally no motion, they were basically what Houston is today, minus some of the speed and savvy getting switches on offense.

Maybe it's because that's how Durant and Westbrook wanted/forced the team to play... Look at KD's comments after he left the Warriors, he was critical of them not letting him ISO enough.

Now look at what Billy has been able to do with guys who actually want to play within a system predicated on ball movement.

FWIW I don't blame Billy for acquiescing to Durant and Westbrook. Those guys in their primes are worth caving too IMO. That's part of being a good coach.

Sorry I edited my previous post too late.

Durant made public comments about the lack of movement in the OKC system.

[DOT]

I really don't think you can compare LeBron going to Miami to KD going to GS. If LeBron went to the Celtics, you'd have a point

But also, it's funny to see people make rings the only thing that matters when talking about legacy, then act surprised when players put themselves in the best position to get rings

And then people trying to make excuses why certain rings don't count

Does the Raptors ring not count cause KD missed the whole series and Klay got injured?

Does the Warriors 2015 ring not count cause Kyrie and Love were injured?

Do 3 of Kobe's rings not count cause he played with Shaq?

You can say certain rings mean more than others, I think 2011 is in a class all it's own, and 2016 is more impressive than any other one this decade, but if we're playing the asterisk game, pretty much every championship has an asterisk next to it. It's how sports is, you can't win without luck

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[Jay10]

Sounds fair. Do you think he should have stayed in Oklahoma next to freaking Russell Westbrook and Donovan, the two most limited basketball minds in the NBA? Just because that would have been heroic?

Billy Donovan is proving this year he's not a "limited mind"

If you want to credit him with their success you're probably going to. In my view, he's got 5 basketball players on his roster. Three happen to be point guards. Playing them is not a revolution to me.

If you were really intent on arguing about this, I'd make you go back to those playoff games where Durant and Westbrook were merely taking turns from the top of the key while the other was standing around. There was literally no motion, they were basically what Houston is today, minus some of the speed and savvy getting switches on offense.

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Here you see one team with a deep playbook full of player movement, curls and pin down action on the one side and a team solely relying on individual talent and one-on-one action. It's blatant. To me that's been a historically bad coaching job throughout that season.

Scott Brooks and Billy Donovan basically trusted their players for 3 quarters, and the moment the 4th quarter starts it's 12 minutes of Durant and Westbrook taking turns on every shot attempt.

Fizdale started doing the same nonsense this season and it's the reason the Knicks lost so many games when they had big leads. In the 4th quarter it became Randle and Morris taking turns on every offensive possession.

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I love watching OKC this season. I always liked CP3’s game and Gallo is smooth when he is healthy. Wish we kept Gallo and traded for CP3 back in the day

[seren]

Watching the game last night, whenever Westbrook had the ball, Harden took himself out of the action. It might be either a genius playing 4 on 4 basketball or idiocy. Couldn’t decide

[Tron Carter]

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bust

[Jay10]

Watching the game last night, whenever Westbrook had the ball, Harden took himself out of the action. It might be either a genius playing 4 on 4 basketball or idiocy. Couldn’t decide

It's similar to what Lebron did with Kyrie, and what he is currently doing with Anthony Davis. It's Harden's way of being on the court while getting a breather.

The third quarter used to be the quarter where everything went through Kyrie, while Lebron was getting a breather without having to be on the bench.

[dakomish23]

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bust

Always crazy to write off any kid, especially this early.

[spree2kawhi]

May sound crazy, but I could understand Denver going all in and trading Millsap+Harris for CP3+Gallo

Paul
Murray
Galinari
Grant
Jokic

OKC accelerate their rebuild big time with Millsap's 30 million coming off the books. Harris is great young value on his deal. Rest of the year:

Shai
Schroeder
Harris
Millsap
Adams



Also, Teague+Dieng+Culver could net the Wolves CP3.

[spree2kawhi]

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bust

Always crazy to write off any kid, especially this early.

I'd take him and KLove

[Tron Carter]

bust

Always crazy to write off any kid, especially this early.

it’s an ego thing. dudes get married to a pre-draft take and lose all objectivity

[robillionaire]

Yeah I’m still not seeing with garland sorry. He’s 6’1 and sucks on D. Nice to see him make a couple shots tho.

[3toheadmelo]

Yeah I’m still not seeing with garland sorry. He’s 6’1 and sucks on D. Nice to see him make a couple shots tho.

He prob tops out as a Jeff Teague player. Nothing special. Glad we got RJ

[Gravy]

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bust

Imagine if we also had a point guard, that would be crazy!

Round 2: RJ vs Garland