Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

watsonthedragon · Post #1541 » by **watsonthedragon** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:39 pm

My concern with Drummond is that he doesn't tend to play well against Embiid/Giannis, which would be precise reason we would want to acquire a top tier (read: expensive) big, IMO. Unfortunately I'm not sure that player exists..

MagicBagley18 · Post #1542 » by **MagicBagley18** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:41 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
MagicBagley18 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Things to keep in mind regarding Gallo:

Just as the stars aligned for JB to definitely received a max this summer, theyre aligning to keep Gallo’s future salary down. He should be able to be re-signed on a deal slightly more than the MLE. Would def be a guy we could keep long term.

I’d love to add Gallo to be our bench scorer in a role similar to LouWill. Could see OKC being interested in Hayward to pair with Paul as a vet used to grow young pieces.

The only piece missing is what third team would take Roberson and what big we could land in return for Roberson and Kanter and some picks.

What do you think is going to make gallo’s price go down or what has caused it to?

No contenders have money. Teams rebuilding/building arent the best fits for a 32 year old.

I agree with all of what you’re saying my only worry would be some of the teams that do have money have been historically bad spenders and have sold some of their fan base on cap space /spending it or improving their roster. While I agree with you that these rebuilding teams shouldn’t spend money- some of them have terrible track records.

I could see a bad team over paying for gallo for the right to be the 8th or 7th seed in the playoffs to please the fan base, although we all know they shouldn’t have that as a goal

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1543 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:42 pm

Drummond/Aldridge might be too much to hope for - it sounds like the market for Drummond might heat up when teams really reflect on who he is, where he’s been playing, and what the league is now.. but the pending free agency is potentially an issue. Why would Atlanta give up anything of value when they could just sign him outright? We turned down a Horford trade (expirings and a 1st) half a year before we signed him as a free agent.

But Hayward and Kanter-or-Theis out, somewhere, Adams/Gallo in, and Gallo out for Aldridge.. that’s a Hayward trade you have to make, for the mix of present and future value and flexibility..

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1544 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:46 pm

watsonthedragon wrote:My concern with Drummond is that he doesn't tend to play well against Embiid/Giannis, which would be precise reason we would want to acquire a top tier (read: expensive) big, IMO. Unfortunately I'm not sure that player exists..

Yeah there’s no Embiid stopper - but a couple of players with size - Drummond/Gallo, Adams/Gallo, Adams/Aldridge, even Adams/Marvin Williams, or a bought out Tristan Thompson and Davis Bertans.. they could take us to another level.

Oklahoma City is a big X factor this deadline..

MagicBagley18 · Post #1545 » by **MagicBagley18** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:49 pm

Color me shocked if ainge trades Hayward. Don’t think brad would like it at all and while we know ainge isn’t afraid to rock the boar- just don’t see him doing it to Hayward either. Brads teams and ainges teams have been wing oriented for several years now and while losing Hayward we still keep Tatum and brown- I think brad likes having all 3 of them and sees it as a strength.

Just don’t think ainge would sell Hayward off. I expect ancillary moves maybe , like a bertans or something to add depth to this roster. Besides the wing strength brad loves Hayward also proves a facilitator and play making role that this team would be severely lacking outside of kemba.

I’m down on Hayward’s inconsistencies but I still think this team is at its best if he can play like he did earlier this season (and know he may never) and believe Celtics and ainge do to. Drummond literally fits none of what we do here and a trade for him means u want him long term.

watsonthedragon · Post #1546 » by **watsonthedragon** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:55 pm

Do you guys think, to reach our absolute ceiling (whatever that may be), Gordon is more important to the offense, or Smart is more important to the defense? I actually lean Gordon as I think the team can play up on D and cover up some of what Smart brings with energy, but we don't really have anyone else who can replicate what Gordon brings when he/we are playing up to our ceiling.

MagicBagley18 · Post #1547 » by **MagicBagley18** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:56 pm

I also don’t think ainge sees a move out there that makes this team a contender and that includes Drummond. he has always been realistic about a teams chances and i think they all know- our only path to a ring is continued leaps from Jayson and Jaylen (which take patience and time) or packaging them for a legit superstar which Drummond is not.

Ainge won’t just make a deal to go all in on one season this year as I think he correctly knows that baring a top 5 10 guy coming here now, we ain’t that good.

MagicBagley18 · Post #1548 » by **MagicBagley18** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:02 pm

Gimme Tristan on a buyout and a trade for bertans

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

The inconsistency from folks regarding Hayward doesn't make sense to me.

The entire time he was out with the injury we talked about how much better our offense looked with him, now all of a sudden we want to trade him for a non defensive center who will opt out next year? What?

Hayward has been shooting just about the same from the field all season, he has been really consistent. The issue is that he has the 4th highest usage on the team. You want more from him, put him in a larger role.

Tatum has been a monster on defense this season, but watching him on offense has been a nightmare. Trading Hayward doesn't change that.

Brown has been all over the place this season and trading Hayward doesn't change that.

Smart still can't shoot, our bench sucks, Brad doesn't have a grasp of the rotations yet, etc

The numbers with Tatum/Brown/Hayward on the floor have been great this season. Trading Hayward seems very short sighted, especially for someone like Drummond.

I trust Ainge though and will support whatever decision he makes

Banks2Pierce · Post #1550 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:18 pm

StojkoVrankovic wrote:Tatum has been a monster on defense this season, but watching him on offense has been a nightmare. Trading Hayward doesn't change that.

I haven't dug deep on this, but it felt like he was killing it in all phases when Hayward was out.

ddb · Post #1551 » by **ddb** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:22 pm

GoCeltics123 wrote:
The Celtics are interested in a lot of frontcourt players. The problem Boston runs into is that it has no big salaries to trade, at least not ones they want to trade. Drummond makes $27 million. To make the money work, the Celtics would have to move Marcus Smart (and more) or Gordon Hayward, and my read on the situation is that’s not something Boston is looking to do.

Whoever acquires Drummond—and presumably gives up something substantial to get him—will have to be ready to commit long term to him. Drummond can opt out of his contract next summer, and given the weakness of the free agent class, there’s no reason to think he won’t. He’s a three-time rebounding champion averaging a career-best 16.2 boards per game this season. He’s a subpar free throw shooter but he’s been 60-ish percent from the stripe the last three seasons, a workable number. Even in a league trending toward the stretch-five, Drummond has tremendous value.

The Pistons are open for business, with Blake Griffin likely done for the season and Reggie Jackson dealing with major back issues. ESPN reported that Atlanta was interested—a Drummond/John Collins frontcourt, with Trae Young in front of them, is compelling on paper—and Detroit has spoken to several other teams about Drummond, per a source familiar with the discussions. Drummond, still just 26, is a big time player, one worth seeing play in a winning situation.

Read on Twitter

Also mentions Tristan could get bought out.

If Tristian gets bought out he's 99.9% going to the Clippers

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

Banks2Pierce wrote:
StojkoVrankovic wrote:Tatum has been a monster on defense this season, but watching him on offense has been a nightmare. Trading Hayward doesn't change that.

I haven't dug deep on this, but it felt like he was killing it in all phases when Hayward was out.

His numbers are really weird when you look at them. It is tough to make sense of what the hell is going on with him.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4065648/jayson-tatum

djFan71 · Post #1553 » by **djFan71** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:27 pm

StojkoVrankovic wrote:The inconsistency from folks regarding Hayward doesn't make sense to me.

The entire time he was out with the injury we talked about how much better our offense looked with him, now all of a sudden we want to trade him for a non defensive center who will opt out next year? What?

Hayward has been shooting just about the same from the field all season, he has been really consistent. The issue is that he has the 4th highest usage on the team. You want more from him, put him in a larger role.

Tatum has been a monster on defense this season, but watching him on offense has been a nightmare. Trading Hayward doesn't change that.

Brown has been all over the place this season and trading Hayward doesn't change that.

Smart still can't shoot, our bench sucks, Brad doesn't have a grasp of the rotations yet, etc

The numbers with Tatum/Brown/Hayward on the floor have been great this season. Trading Hayward seems very short sighted, especially for someone like Drummond.

I trust Ainge though and will support whatever decision he makes

Pre-hand / foot injury Gordon. I'm really hoping he's still just working his way back from that. I don't even care about Utah Gordon, just give me November Gordon and we're really tough to guard. But he hasn't approached that level since he's been back. Ainge has to have a feel for if he'll get there or not. If so, no trading him. If not, then you think about it. But, I'm still not seeing a move that sets us up for long term contention out there. November-healthy Gordon beats any of the players we could get for him.

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

djFan71 wrote:
StojkoVrankovic wrote:The inconsistency from folks regarding Hayward doesn't make sense to me.

The entire time he was out with the injury we talked about how much better our offense looked with him, now all of a sudden we want to trade him for a non defensive center who will opt out next year? What?

Hayward has been shooting just about the same from the field all season, he has been really consistent. The issue is that he has the 4th highest usage on the team. You want more from him, put him in a larger role.

Tatum has been a monster on defense this season, but watching him on offense has been a nightmare. Trading Hayward doesn't change that.

Brown has been all over the place this season and trading Hayward doesn't change that.

Smart still can't shoot, our bench sucks, Brad doesn't have a grasp of the rotations yet, etc

The numbers with Tatum/Brown/Hayward on the floor have been great this season. Trading Hayward seems very short sighted, especially for someone like Drummond.

I trust Ainge though and will support whatever decision he makes

Pre-hand / foot injury Gordon. I'm really hoping he's still just working his way back from that. I don't even care about Utah Gordon, just give me November Gordon and we're really tough to guard. But he hasn't approached that level since he's been back. Ainge has to have a feel for if he'll get there or not. If so, no trading him. If not, then you think about it. But, I'm still not seeing a move that sets us up for long term contention out there. November-healthy Gordon beats any of the players we could get for him.

Guys slumping at the same time+injuries/sickness have made things seem worse than they actually are

djFan71 · Post #1555 » by **djFan71** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:35 pm

StojkoVrankovic wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
StojkoVrankovic wrote:The inconsistency from folks regarding Hayward doesn't make sense to me.

The entire time he was out with the injury we talked about how much better our offense looked with him, now all of a sudden we want to trade him for a non defensive center who will opt out next year? What?

Hayward has been shooting just about the same from the field all season, he has been really consistent. The issue is that he has the 4th highest usage on the team. You want more from him, put him in a larger role.

Tatum has been a monster on defense this season, but watching him on offense has been a nightmare. Trading Hayward doesn't change that.

Brown has been all over the place this season and trading Hayward doesn't change that.

Smart still can't shoot, our bench sucks, Brad doesn't have a grasp of the rotations yet, etc

The numbers with Tatum/Brown/Hayward on the floor have been great this season. Trading Hayward seems very short sighted, especially for someone like Drummond.

I trust Ainge though and will support whatever decision he makes

Pre-hand / foot injury Gordon. I'm really hoping he's still just working his way back from that. I don't even care about Utah Gordon, just give me November Gordon and we're really tough to guard. But he hasn't approached that level since he's been back. Ainge has to have a feel for if he'll get there or not. If so, no trading him. If not, then you think about it. But, I'm still not seeing a move that sets us up for long term contention out there. November-healthy Gordon beats any of the players we could get for him.

Guys slumping at the same time+injuries/sickness have made things seem worse than they actually are

Oh definitely, don't want to panic trade because we actually lost a few games. But, I feel like he looks more like last year Gordon than Nov Gordon since coming back. Hoping that's just a reintegration, getting over the foot thing. Marcus has taken his time getting back to form as well, so Gordon's not alone.

GoCeltics123 · Post #1556 » by **GoCeltics123** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:43 pm

One trade that works in the trade machine is

Hayward
Theis
Poirier
Probably a 1st or two

for

Adams
Gallo

If you want to go that route.

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

GoCeltics123 wrote:One trade that works in the trade machine is

Hayward
Theis
Poirier
Probably a 1st or two

for

Adams
Gallo

If you want to go that route.

Our team salary would be nuts

SmartWentCrazy · Post #1558 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:09 pm

I dont want to trade Hayward. I dont want to keep him at all costs, either. I just think that Ainge is going to move him.

djFan71 · Post #1559 » by **djFan71** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:12 pm

Do people think Drummond or Adams or Gallo or some combination thereof get us to legit title contender status?
To me, those are basically all in moves - use our last salary, and pick/rookie sweeteners to get the deal done. At that point, we're pretty devoid of assets you'd want to trade. You're left with Kemba/Jays/<new guys> core, and a thin bench of Smart and whoever's left of Kanter/Theis/young guys. I don't see that as enough.

100proof · Post #1560 » by **100proof** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:21 pm

djFan71 wrote:Do people think Drummond or Adams or Gallo or some combination thereof get us to legit title contender status?
To me, those are basically all in moves - use our last salary, and pick/rookie sweeteners to get the deal done. At that point, we're pretty devoid of assets you'd want to trade. You're left with Kemba/Jays/<new guys> core, and a thin bench of Smart and whoever's left of Kanter/Theis/young guys. I don't see that as enough.

Hypothetical.

Hayward, semi and poirier to okc.

Gallinari and bucks pick to washington

Adams, bertrans and troy brown jr to boston.

Either use bertrans as bench scoring or start him.

Kemba/wannamaker/edwards
Brown/smart/langford
Tatum/brown jr
Bertrans/theis/gwill
Adams/kanter/timelord