Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[djFan71]

Do people think Drummond or Adams or Gallo or some combination thereof get us to legit title contender status?
To me, those are basically all in moves - use our last salary, and pick/rookie sweeteners to get the deal done. At that point, we're pretty devoid of assets you'd want to trade. You're left with Kemba/Jays/<new guys> core, and a thin bench of Smart and whoever's left of Kanter/Theis/young guys. I don't see that as enough.

Hypothetical.

Hayward, semi and poirier to okc.

Gallinari and bucks pick to washington

Adams, bertrans and troy brown jr to boston.

Either use bertrans as bench scoring or start him.

Kemba/wannamaker/edwards
Brown/smart/langford
Tatum/brown jr
Bertrans/theis/gwill
Adams/kanter/timelord

To my question, do you think that team is a real contender?
Also, WAS gets hosed.

[zoyathedestroya]

FWIW...





Tatum has also been the teammate that has benefited the most from Gordon's assists. He's also gotten the 2nd most of his threes via Hayward's passes (probably would've been 1st if Hayward didn't miss so much time).

Numbers for Brown show a slight decrease in efficiency when Gordon is off the court.

I do understand the position that Brown and Tatum would naturally get more touches/shots if Hayward is shipped for a guy who doesn't need the ball in his hands. More plays would be called for the Jays and they could grow their game as ballhandlers more. And it is a bit concerning that our four or five worst losses (if we include WAS) came when our top 5 guys were all available. So it's either there's still a too-many-mouths-to-feed issue (which is weird 'cos we do have offensive droughts) or they just haven't meshed quite well yet esp. against the tough defensive teams.

As is, I think we're playing too slow a pace for everyone to get theirs. I think we're in the bottom 3rd in pace. Even our half court offense can be a slog at times. On average, we have the 5th slowest offense after an opponent's made shot. So the only time we seem to play fast is when we turn the other team over or when we defensive rebound, which we aren't elite at.

Cs have 14 games left including @MIL, vs.LAL, @MIA, vs.PHI before the trade deadline. We'll get a better sense if they can come together or if there's a need to pull that trade trigger. It's not farfetched to think that Ainge and co. have already had initial talks about possibilities with other teams. You can't just negotiate at the last minute for something as big as moving Hayward or whoever major piece.

[Dannyboy36]

Do people think Drummond or Adams or Gallo or some combination thereof get us to legit title contender status?
To me, those are basically all in moves - use our last salary, and pick/rookie sweeteners to get the deal done. At that point, we're pretty devoid of assets you'd want to trade. You're left with Kemba/Jays/<new guys> core, and a thin bench of Smart and whoever's left of Kanter/Theis/young guys. I don't see that as enough.

Nowhere close. I think that team is worse.


Hypothetical.

Hayward, semi and poirier to okc.

Gallinari and bucks pick to washington

Adams, bertrans and troy brown jr to boston.

Either use bertrans as bench scoring or start him.

Kemba/wannamaker/edwards
Brown/smart/langford
Tatum/brown jr
Bertrans/theis/gwill
Adams/kanter/timelord

To my question, do you think that team is a real contender?
Also, WAS gets hosed.

[100proof]

Do people think Drummond or Adams or Gallo or some combination thereof get us to legit title contender status?
To me, those are basically all in moves - use our last salary, and pick/rookie sweeteners to get the deal done. At that point, we're pretty devoid of assets you'd want to trade. You're left with Kemba/Jays/<new guys> core, and a thin bench of Smart and whoever's left of Kanter/Theis/young guys. I don't see that as enough.

Hypothetical.

Hayward, semi and poirier to okc.

Gallinari and bucks pick to washington

Adams, bertrans and troy brown jr to boston.

Either use bertrans as bench scoring or start him.

Kemba/wannamaker/edwards
Brown/smart/langford
Tatum/brown jr
Bertrans/theis/gwill
Adams/kanter/timelord

To my question, do you think that team is a real contender?
Also, WAS gets hosed.

Yeah i do see that as a contender.
Adams is a great defensive renound getter.
Kemba, brown, tatum can score
Betrans, tatum and kemba can shoot.

Real balanced starting lineup.

Bench has scoring ability from outside and post scoring.

Might be a little light for washington, but hosed i think is an overstatement, the proposal was more about structuring a flip for gallinari for scoring/depth from bench. Ie: for iggy and crowder, or to utah for ingles plus.

[Zaschrona]

I am all in for a scenario involivng dealing Hayward for Gallinari and Drummond. Something like...

Boston trades: Hayward, Theis, Langford, Ojeleye, Poirier, MEM pick, MIL pick
Boston gets: Drummond, Gallinari, Wood, Mykhailiuk

Oklahoma trades: Gallinari, Schroder, Roberson, Patton
Oklahoma gets: Hayward, Rose, Morris, Ojeleye, Frazier

Detroit trades: Drummond, Rose, Morris, Frazier, Wood, Mykhailiuk
Detroit gets: Schroder, Roberson, Theis, Langford, Poirier, Patton, MEM pick, MIL pick

Depth charts:
BOS: Kemba/Wanamaker/Edwards, JB/Smart/Green, JT/Mykhailiuk, Gallinari/Wood/Grant W, Drummond/Kanter/Robert W
OKC: CP3/Rose/Frazier, SGA/Diallo/Burton, Ferguson/Bazley/Ojeleye, Hayward/Morris/Nader, Adams/Noel/Muscala
DET: Schroder/Brown/Jackson, Kennard/Galloway/Thomas, Langford/Snell/Roberson, Doumbouya/Maker/Griffin, Theis/Poirier/Patton

Reasoning:
BOS: We get a center while just staying under the tax after signing a 15th player after buyout. We also get possible decent rotation players in Svi and Wood.
OKC: Oklahoma get under the tax, with a swap of Gallo for Hayward they get a 2nd player to help their young players, and they also get bench help for their possible play-off campaign.
DET: Detroit start their rebuild by getting picks and some talents in Langford and Patton. They could possibly also flip Theis and Schroder to a 3rd team later.

[vct33]

How much draft capital does it take to get a guy like Jarrett Allen? Wendell Carter? Jonathon Isaac?

[100proof]

How much draft capital does it take to get a guy like Jarrett Allen? Wendell Carter? Jonathon Isaac?

I think a deal around smart can get you allen.
One i proposed the other day

Smart to brooklyn
Allen and harris to boston.

But this would cripple our marcus smart on the team role.

[Banks2Pierce]

I'm doing my annual tradition of starting with the assumption that we won't do anything and then suddenly having an epiphany day where I'm in the trade machine all day and convinced we're gonna pull off some madness.

Deciding to take a break after I started to convince myself that Chris Paul wouldn't be a bad idea.

[djFan71]

Hypothetical.

Hayward, semi and poirier to okc.

Gallinari and bucks pick to washington

Adams, bertrans and troy brown jr to boston.

Either use bertrans as bench scoring or start him.

Kemba/wannamaker/edwards
Brown/smart/langford
Tatum/brown jr
Bertrans/theis/gwill
Adams/kanter/timelord

To my question, do you think that team is a real contender?
Also, WAS gets hosed.

Yeah i do see that as a contender.
Adams is a great defensive renound getter.
Kemba, brown, tatum can score
Betrans, tatum and kemba can shoot.

Real balanced starting lineup.

Bench has scoring ability from outside and post scoring.

Might be a little light for washington, but hosed i think is an overstatement, the proposal was more about structuring a flip for gallinari for scoring/depth from bench. Ie: for iggy and crowder, or to utah for ingles plus.

Brown can shoot too. I think that team is good, I like the players you added. But I'm not sure it's super realistic, or that we've gained a ton of ground from a healthy Hayward version of our current team. We're probably just a slightly tougher out for PHI or MIL.

For the trade itself, WAS downgrades from Bertans to Gallo (both pending UFAs), and from Troy Brown Jr to MIL pick. If it was just Bertans, I mean, maybe, but I think WAS could do better. Throwing in Brown Jr makes it a hosed situation, imo.

[djFan71]

How much draft capital does it take to get a guy like Jarrett Allen? Wendell Carter? Jonathon Isaac?

I think Isaac is unattainable with our assets. Allen, I'm not sure on. Carter would be a great long term fit, and the exact type of deal I'd go for. I think you'd have to go all in, though, to get the Bulls to even consider it:

Grant, Timelord, Semi, Poirier, MEM pick for WCJ and Felacio.

Seems like a lot, but with MEM late lotto/playoffs, I think the Bulls turn that down even. Might have to be Langford in there too instead of Semi.

[Wes-J]

Love the idea of Gallo off the bench but at what cost?

Still don't see any Hayward trades. Not ready to draw conclusions right now and make a major reactionary type trade.

Everybody just needs to calm down. Can we see this roster at full strength getting some significant games together before making trades?

[100proof]

To my question, do you think that team is a real contender?
Also, WAS gets hosed.

Yeah i do see that as a contender.
Adams is a great defensive renound getter.
Kemba, brown, tatum can score
Betrans, tatum and kemba can shoot.

Real balanced starting lineup.

Bench has scoring ability from outside and post scoring.

Might be a little light for washington, but hosed i think is an overstatement, the proposal was more about structuring a flip for gallinari for scoring/depth from bench. Ie: for iggy and crowder, or to utah for ingles plus.

Brown can shoot too. I think that team is good, I like the players you added. But I'm not sure it's super realistic, or that we've gained a ton of ground from a healthy Hayward version of our current team. We're probably just a slightly tougher out for PHI or MIL.

For the trade itself, WAS downgrades from Bertans to Gallo (both pending UFAs), and from Troy Brown Jr to MIL pick. If it was just Bertans, I mean, maybe, but I think WAS could do better. Throwing in Brown Jr makes it a hosed situation, imo.

Admittedly, i dont watch mich Washington, cause why would I, but it seemed like brown is getting overtaken on their team. And getting left behind by coach. So I assumed he could be got.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Do people think Drummond or Adams or Gallo or some combination thereof get us to legit title contender status?
To me, those are basically all in moves - use our last salary, and pick/rookie sweeteners to get the deal done. At that point, we're pretty devoid of assets you'd want to trade. You're left with Kemba/Jays/<new guys> core, and a thin bench of Smart and whoever's left of Kanter/Theis/young guys. I don't see that as enough.

We're "all in" right now - there's no one other than Hayward we could conceivably move. If it's Hayward/Kanter out and Drummond/Gallo, Adams/Gallo, Drummond/Aldridge or Adams/Aldridge in? I don't think that makes us a championship favorite - we'd be a long shot like we are now. We'd need Brown and Tatum to step up like they did two years ago when Kyrie was out, and not just by hitting threes but by creating offense to the best of their present ability.

But I think Drummond-or-Adams/Aldridge would likely make us better and give us a higher ceiling - with Drummond because of upside, with Aldridge not only because he'd be a competent veteran but because he'll be a big expiring contract when the calendar turns over on 7/1/20.. that means you could peddle him at the draft with picks, Langford, Rob Williams etc. if there's a star on the market.

And you're also projecting a year or two into the future - on opening night in 2021, do you want a 31 year old Hayward, 31 year old Kemba, 23 year old Tatum, 25 year old Brown, 27 year old Smart and 24 year old Rob Williams? Is that team a contender? Or is it better if you swap out the 31 year old Hayward for a 28 year old Drummond who's had two more off-seasons to work on his game, or a 28 year old Adams who may have developed a Baynes-like three point shot? And add maybe a discount Gallinari, or a discount Aldridge, or whatever you could fetch for Aldridge or whoever in a trade..

[Andrew McCeltic]

Troy Brown Jr. is one of the few bright spots in Washington.. why would they give him up, and Bertans, for an expiring Gallo making three times as much money and a late late first-rounder?

Unlikely Orlando moves Isaac - I can't imagine anything they could get in return that would be worth it for them and fit where their team is. He's their Jayson Tatum..

Why on earth would Brooklyn trade Jarrett Allen? He's only 21, he's nearly averaging a double double in 26 minutes a night. They'd have to be getting back someone like Towns.. And for Marcus Smart? They've already got the league's other premier back-up point guard, and their only other center is DeAndre Jordan.

Carter Jr. - and Coby White - could be gettable at some point because neither is a perfect fit with their respective partner - Lauri or Lavine - but it's not impossible they can all blend. I don't know who the Bulls would want to trade WCJ *for*.

[djFan71]

Do people think Drummond or Adams or Gallo or some combination thereof get us to legit title contender status?
To me, those are basically all in moves - use our last salary, and pick/rookie sweeteners to get the deal done. At that point, we're pretty devoid of assets you'd want to trade. You're left with Kemba/Jays/<new guys> core, and a thin bench of Smart and whoever's left of Kanter/Theis/young guys. I don't see that as enough.

We're "all in" right now - there's no one other than Hayward we could conceivably move. If it's Hayward/Kanter out and Drummond/Gallo, Adams/Gallo, Drummond/Aldridge or Adams/Aldridge in? I don't think that makes us a championship favorite - we'd be a long shot like we are now. We'd need Brown and Tatum to step up like they did two years ago when Kyrie was out, and not just by hitting threes but by creating offense to the best of their present ability.

But I think Drummond-or-Adams/Aldridge would likely make us better and give us a higher ceiling - with Drummond because of upside, with Aldridge not only because he'd be a competent veteran but because he'll be a big expiring contract when the calendar turns over on 7/1/20.. that means you could peddle him at the draft with picks, Langford, Rob Williams etc. if there's a star on the market.

And you're also projecting a year or two into the future - on opening night in 2021, do you want a 31 year old Hayward, 31 year old Kemba, 23 year old Tatum, 25 year old Brown, 27 year old Smart and 24 year old Rob Williams? Is that team a contender? Or is it better if you swap out the 31 year old Hayward for a 28 year old Drummond who's had two more off-seasons to work on his game, or a 28 year old Adams who may have developed a Baynes-like three point shot? And add maybe a discount Gallinari, or a discount Aldridge, or whatever you could fetch for Aldridge or whoever in a trade..

Yeah, that's fair. I just am not a huge fan of the traditional center role taking up that much of your cap. Even Drummond with a 3 pt shot doesn't do it for. I want scoring/creation for that money, not a slightly better Theis/Kanter. If I'm going to pay my bigs that kind of money I want them to be KD, Siakam types - which admittedly don't grow on trees. Not Adams/Drummond types.

I don't think there is a clear path to true contender status. I'd love to consolidate the rookies and upcoming picks to get one good mobile big, but I can't see why the other team would do it. So, you're kinda looking at next year as:

Same starters, Smart, Kanter (probably)
MLE to add that
Hopefully Romeo & RWill stay healthy and develop into impact players.
Ditto MEM pick.

You hope Hayward is really over the hump by then and has a few good years left. I'd also consider throwing Smart or Kanter in a trade if the return was good enough. But, I haven't found that deal to get me jazzed about it yet.

[K For Three]

I dont want to trade Hayward. I dont want to keep him at all costs, either. I just think that Ainge is going to move him.

I feel the same. Even if Gordon has a few good games coming up, it's never going to be consistent here with him. He looked last night like he didn't even want to be there either.

Danny will move him to show faith in the growth of Tatum and Brown. He took a leap of faith giving Brown that contract, he obviously considers the Jay's the future right now, or is hoping they are.

Of course we have to hope another team will be willing to take a chance on him and not think he is coming with a warning sign like IT did. But I have to hope a gm or two in the league believes that a change of scenery might do Gordon good, his career has been a nightmare in Boston. He's still under 30 years old and probably would do well on a team that could make him more of a focal point.

You may have to sweeten a deal with Hayward with a few picks or rookies etc. And I am fine with that too.

Gordon has often been depressing here, outside of that spurt he had early in the season. He also sort of just reminds you of the Irving/IT/Horford period which is better to move on from 100%.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I dont want to trade Hayward. I dont want to keep him at all costs, either. I just think that Ainge is going to move him.

I feel the same. Even if Gordon has a few good games coming up, it's never going to be consistent here with him. He looked last night like he didn't even want to be there either.

Danny will move him to show faith in the growth of Tatum and Brown. He took a leap of faith giving Brown that contract, he obviously considers the Jay's the future right now, or is hoping they are.

Of course we have to hope another team will be willing to take a chance on him and not think he is coming with a warning sign like IT did. But I have to hope a gm or two in the league believes that a change of scenery might do Gordon good, his career has been a nightmare in Boston. He's still under 30 years old and probably would do well on a team that could make him more of a focal point.

You may have to sweeten a deal with Hayward with a few picks or rookies etc. And I am fine with that too.

Gordon has often been depressing here, outside of that spurt he had early in the season. He also sort of just reminds you of the Irving/IT/Horford period which is better to move on from 100%.

We were right about Kyrie leaving last year, wonder if this year will make it two for two on our gut feels.

I just think that theres a reason Amick/Goodwill/Pincus/others are reporting that were interested in players that would cost us Hayward as a salary filler. I know its instinct for some to dismiss news they dont like as biased, but theres starting to be a little too much smoke for me to disregard it now.

I 100% agree with everything your last paragraph—it sums up how I feel perfectly.

[djFan71]

Yeah i do see that as a contender.
Adams is a great defensive renound getter.
Kemba, brown, tatum can score
Betrans, tatum and kemba can shoot.

Real balanced starting lineup.

Bench has scoring ability from outside and post scoring.

Might be a little light for washington, but hosed i think is an overstatement, the proposal was more about structuring a flip for gallinari for scoring/depth from bench. Ie: for iggy and crowder, or to utah for ingles plus.

Brown can shoot too. I think that team is good, I like the players you added. But I'm not sure it's super realistic, or that we've gained a ton of ground from a healthy Hayward version of our current team. We're probably just a slightly tougher out for PHI or MIL.

For the trade itself, WAS downgrades from Bertans to Gallo (both pending UFAs), and from Troy Brown Jr to MIL pick. If it was just Bertans, I mean, maybe, but I think WAS could do better. Throwing in Brown Jr makes it a hosed situation, imo.

Admittedly, i dont watch mich Washington, cause why would I, but it seemed like brown is getting overtaken on their team. And getting left behind by coach. So I assumed he could be got.

Preach on the bolded, lol. I don't get that vibe from them on Brown, but I also don't watch much either. Seems like he's averaging good minutes, and is the type of guy you wouldn't just toss away for the 30th pick.

[K For Three]

I dont want to trade Hayward. I dont want to keep him at all costs, either. I just think that Ainge is going to move him.

I feel the same. Even if Gordon has a few good games coming up, it's never going to be consistent here with him. He looked last night like he didn't even want to be there either.

Danny will move him to show faith in the growth of Tatum and Brown. He took a leap of faith giving Brown that contract, he obviously considers the Jay's the future right now, or is hoping they are.

Of course we have to hope another team will be willing to take a chance on him and not think he is coming with a warning sign like IT did. But I have to hope a gm or two in the league believes that a change of scenery might do Gordon good, his career has been a nightmare in Boston. He's still under 30 years old and probably would do well on a team that could make him more of a focal point.

You may have to sweeten a deal with Hayward with a few picks or rookies etc. And I am fine with that too.

Gordon has often been depressing here, outside of that spurt he had early in the season. He also sort of just reminds you of the Irving/IT/Horford period which is better to move on from 100%.

We were right about Kyrie leaving last year, wonder if this year will make it two for two on our gut feels.

I just think that theres a reason Amick/Goodwill/Pincus/others are reporting that were interested in players that would cost us Hayward as a salary filler. I know its instinct for some to dismiss news they dont like as biased, but theres starting to be a little too much smoke for me to disregard it now.

I 100% agree with everything your last paragraph—it sums up how I feel perfectly.

Oh yeah, when Kyrie did his MSG "I don't owe anybody ****" interview last year I pretty much knew in my gut he was out. I knew the goal was AD and I wanted that too, but I also knew it was all too good to be true in the end.

I don't think all hope is lost though here either. Kemba is a good guy and wanted to be here above any other team and it sounds like he really believes in Tatum/Brown. He is willing to take a back seat to both and we have seen it this season in games.

Gordon hinders the development of the Jay's and I think thats not a secret to many in this league anymore.

Yep there is smoke he could be moved, it's out there. Just have to wait and see now. Last year you could not have moved him, now you can.

[BigTrade92]

Something needs to be done that’s for damn sure.

Team can’t win a title as currently constructed. Going to get eaten alive in the postseason, especially with our lack of a legitimate big man.