Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[SmartWentCrazy]

When has any of the smoke out there in recent years led to an actual trade? We are always in the rumors, partly because of Danny’s reputation (even though he really has shown patience) and partly because we are a team that’s good but still a piece away from true contention and Drummond is a position we are perceived to be lacking.

With us lately it’s the times you don’t hear anything that stuff happens. Whenever woj or someone else has said we are favorites it never happens. Same thing when we are linked with player x.

Hayward’s not going anywhere.

Hasnt the smoke always been some precursor of interest? Were we not highly interested in AD, PG13 and Hayward? Dont conflate events not occurring for a lack of interest or intent.

The thing that convinces me theres something more to this is that Ainge is trying to stay hidden by leaking vague ‘not trading our core’ messages [when the **** has he ever done that] to his normal guys and that our interest in players is being reported by rival exec’s [Amick/Pincus/Goodwill]. This isnt a nothingburger.

[K For Three]

I’m not even the biggest Hayward fan and I’ll be there first to tell you, his career here seems cursed and his inconsistency can be maddening but I just don’t see what other ppl are seeing. Obviously I’d trade him in the right deal- but i don’t see this player that looks unhappy here or upset.

I still think when he plays well this team is at its best. You may say well he makes max money and that’s correct but the tooth paste is already out of the tube here. We can’t undue his contract and if we r gonna trad him why do it just to win the honor of maxing out Andre drummond.

Hayward can do more than just score and when’s he’s aggressive or even when his shot isn’t falling but he’s facilitating he’s really valuable to what we are doing here. He has sucked for the majority this year but I feel the best way for this team to proceed is buyout candidates and smaller trades.

The team IS better when Gordon is at his best, problem is this doesn't happen very often. And we have seen the disturbing pattern enough in the last 3 seasons where if someone is out due to injury this team seems to operate more smoothly, especially if it is Jaylen or Hayward out.

I think if Ainge can find a new team for Hayward he is going to be serious about moving him.

One thing people often forget is yeah the team was a quarter from the finals without Kyrie, but Hayward was not there either. I think the Jays were primed and ready to take on huge roles and still are. It just gets redundant with Hayward out there too.

I think the point is also though do you believe in Gordon as an integral part of this team's future or do you want to put more faith in the young Jay's? I think based on the contract Brown got, Ainge is gambling on the Jay's.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I get the appeal of Drummond, but you need to take a deeper look at what he actually brings as a player

PER36 his numbers are practically the same as Kanter, but his salary is more than 4x as much. Kanter is on another planet on offense, while being a similar player on defense. Lazy, horrible awareness and rotations. Gets you blocks, but historically they played better on defense when he was on the bench.

The only way we beat Philly is to win every other matchup, which I thought we would be able to do. We clearly **** the bed so far on that front

I fully agree, for the record. Not a fan of Drummond and he gets punked by Embiid regularly. His rebounding is overrated and he more steals his teammates rebounds than does he alter how a team rebounds. He’s an overrated defender, too, IMO.

I am a fan of his passing, but too often he tries to be a point center and ends up committing a stupid TO. Could he blow up on our team when he wouldnt have to focus on offense? Possibly, absolutely. I just personally would prefer something else.

Me thinking we trade Hayward =/= me wanting to trade Hayward.

[MagicBagley18]

When has any of the smoke out there in recent years led to an actual trade? We are always in the rumors, partly because of Danny’s reputation (even though he really has shown patience) and partly because we are a team that’s good but still a piece away from true contention and Drummond is a position we are perceived to be lacking.

With us lately it’s the times you don’t hear anything that stuff happens. Whenever woj or someone else has said we are favorites it never happens. Same thing when we are linked with player x.

Hayward’s not going anywhere.

Hasnt the smoke always been some precursor of interest? Were we not highly interested in AD, PG13 and Hayward? Dont conflate events not occurring for a lack of interest or intent.

The thing that convinces me theres something more to this is that Ainge is trying to stay hidden by leaking vague ‘not trading our core’ messages [when the **** has he ever done that] to his normal guys and that our interest in players is being reported by rival exec’s [Amick/Pincus/Goodwill]. This isnt a nothingburger.

Didn’t woj and smith both say these players are off limits tho? has Vince goodwill ever broken nba news, let alone Celtic news. Eric pincus?

you also have to remember we are a year removed from the AD trade scenario affecting us and kyries contract affecting us-both outside forces that the young players def were affected by. Ainge may be proactively getting ahead of this.

Also ainge’s job is to reach out to teams on players he may have interest in. Not only does it start good dialogue and build relationships but it’s his duty to get the asking price for a player like Drummond to see what it would cost. if ainge calls Detroit and they tell him the asking price and ainge hangs up immediately and it’s reported the Celtics called about Drummond it’s fact but it’s not a barometer of serious interest.

The Stevens factor is also very much at play, ainge will not piss off stevens for a player that makes us slightly better. He would gamble on a player that could take us to the next level if it meant rocking the boat. Drummond isn’t that nor do I see a trade now where moving Hayward does that

[StojkoVrankovic]

I get the appeal of Drummond, but you need to take a deeper look at what he actually brings as a player

PER36 his numbers are practically the same as Kanter, but his salary is more than 4x as much. Kanter is on another planet on offense, while being a similar player on defense. Lazy, horrible awareness and rotations. Gets you blocks, but historically they played better on defense when he was on the bench.

The only way we beat Philly is to win every other matchup, which I thought we would be able to do. We clearly **** the bed so far on that front

I fully agree, for the record. Not a fan of Drummond and he gets punked by Embiid regularly. His rebounding is overrated and he more steals his teammates rebounds than does he alter how a team rebounds. He’s an overrated defender, too, IMO.

I am a fan of his passing, but too often he tries to be a point center and ends up committing a stupid TO. Could he blow up on our team when he wouldnt have to focus on offense? Possibly, absolutely. I just personally would prefer something else.

Me thinking we trade Hayward =/= me wanting to trade Hayward.

I trust trader Danny, now drafter Danny is another story

[BigTrade92]

Gallinari is having just as good, if not better, season than Hayward is on much less money.

We have no legit Center and we don’t have a prayer at stopping the front court of Philly or Milwaukee.

I don’t see any scenario where holding onto Hayward and pilfering through the buyout market changes any of that.

Team isn’t winning a title or just simply getting out of the East unless you move Hayward.

[MagicBagley18]

I’m not even the biggest Hayward fan and I’ll be there first to tell you, his career here seems cursed and his inconsistency can be maddening but I just don’t see what other ppl are seeing. Obviously I’d trade him in the right deal- but i don’t see this player that looks unhappy here or upset.

I still think when he plays well this team is at its best. You may say well he makes max money and that’s correct but the tooth paste is already out of the tube here. We can’t undue his contract and if we r gonna trad him why do it just to win the honor of maxing out Andre drummond.

Hayward can do more than just score and when’s he’s aggressive or even when his shot isn’t falling but he’s facilitating he’s really valuable to what we are doing here. He has sucked for the majority this year but I feel the best way for this team to proceed is buyout candidates and smaller trades.

The team IS better when Gordon is at his best, problem is this doesn't happen very often. And we have seen the disturbing pattern enough in the last 3 seasons where if someone is out due to injury this team seems to operate more smoothly, especially if it is Jaylen or Hayward out.

I think if Ainge can find a new team for Hayward he is going to be serious about moving him.

One thing people often forget is yeah the team was a quarter from the finals without Kyrie, but Hayward was not there either. I think the Jays were primed and ready to take on huge roles and still are. It just gets redundant with Hayward out there too.

I think the point is also though do you believe in Gordon as an integral part of this team's future or do you want to put more faith in the young Jay's? I think based on the contract Brown got, Ainge is gambling on the Jay's.

Disagree with you here about everything except the undisputed fact that Gordon is so inconsistent which you’re 1000% right on. That finals run meant nothing in the grand scheme of things- product of a terrible eastern conference and favorable match ups.

if you believe that the team is better when a player is out injured - then trading smart should also be on the table then. (Something im also against). Since he’s been back The Whole team has sucked and he’s oft injured as well. what player has a higher ceiling Hayward o smart ?

I really think many here (not you or a few other) are greatly overreacting to a team who massively overachieved this season up to this point and started to believe that the record was an indicator of how good they really were. We lose 3 straight (2 horrible losses) and now the trades HAVE happen.

[SmartWentCrazy]

When has any of the smoke out there in recent years led to an actual trade? We are always in the rumors, partly because of Danny’s reputation (even though he really has shown patience) and partly because we are a team that’s good but still a piece away from true contention and Drummond is a position we are perceived to be lacking.

With us lately it’s the times you don’t hear anything that stuff happens. Whenever woj or someone else has said we are favorites it never happens. Same thing when we are linked with player x.

Hayward’s not going anywhere.

Hasnt the smoke always been some precursor of interest? Were we not highly interested in AD, PG13 and Hayward? Dont conflate events not occurring for a lack of interest or intent.

The thing that convinces me theres something more to this is that Ainge is trying to stay hidden by leaking vague ‘not trading our core’ messages [when the **** has he ever done that] to his normal guys and that our interest in players is being reported by rival exec’s [Amick/Pincus/Goodwill]. This isnt a nothingburger.

Didn’t woj and smith both say these players are off limits tho? has Vince goodwill ever broken nba news, let alone Celtic news. Eric pincus?

you also have to remember we are a year removed from the AD trade scenario affecting us and kyries contract affecting us-both outside forces that the young players def were affected by. Ainge may be proactively getting ahead of this.

Also ainge’s job is to reach out to teams on players he may have interest in. Not only does it start good dialogue and build relationships but it’s his duty to get the asking price for a player like Drummond to see what it would cost. if ainge calls Detroit and they tell him the asking price and ainge hangs up immediately and it’s reported the Celtics called about Drummond it’s fact but it’s not a barometer of serious interest.

The Stevens factor is also very much at play, ainge will not piss off stevens for a player that makes us slightly better. He would gamble on a player that could take us to the next level if it meant rocking the boat. Drummond isn’t that nor do I see a trade now where moving Hayward does that

The sources arent from here— thats what scares me. Ainge is digging on players and they report to guys they trust that were doing this. Ainge tries to control the narrative by leaking to his preferred sources, but I just dont believe him because he has every reason to lie here [Again, when has ‘Trader Danny’ ever said a third of the team is untouchable— that just doesnt add up, he’d trade Austin if it helped the team].

Its just weird that this stuff would leak from opposing teams if what Ainge was saying is true. It doesnt make sense that theyre lying because the only common theme is that Hayward would have to be involved and, point blank, he’s not going to cause some team to start a bidding war.

If Stevens would get pissed by us trading Hayward then we should trade him immediately because Stevens’ personal relationship would be impacting him professionally and that bias must be apparent and detrimental to the team.

Im not advocating we trade for Drummond. Hell— I’m not even advocating we trade Hayward. I cant really argue against you here. However, I do think we will move him.

[MagicBagley18]

When has any of the smoke out there in recent years led to an actual trade? We are always in the rumors, partly because of Danny’s reputation (even though he really has shown patience) and partly because we are a team that’s good but still a piece away from true contention and Drummond is a position we are perceived to be lacking.

With us lately it’s the times you don’t hear anything that stuff happens. Whenever woj or someone else has said we are favorites it never happens. Same thing when we are linked with player x.

Hayward’s not going anywhere.

This team isn’t winning a title if you don’t move Hayward.

If the goal is to win a title, and it should be in the most open season in forever, then you have to make the move.

You’re not getting past Philly or Milwaukee with the presently constructed roster.

Might be a tough pill to swallow, but Hayward is the odd man out no matter which way you slice is.

It’s also not winning a ring if you move Hayward. That’s the disconnect here. We aren’t gonna make a trade to out center- philly who has embiid. We are not making a trade this year to get a player on giannis’s level. I don’t care about trading Hayward as I believe anyone can be traded.

this team isn’t a move away from a ring. If we got to the finals we will run into top 3 lebron and top 7 AD or the clippers with kawhi and pg. the path to a ring again, is massive leaps from Tatum and brown or trading them next summer for a superstar.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I’m not even the biggest Hayward fan and I’ll be there first to tell you, his career here seems cursed and his inconsistency can be maddening but I just don’t see what other ppl are seeing. Obviously I’d trade him in the right deal- but i don’t see this player that looks unhappy here or upset.

I still think when he plays well this team is at its best. You may say well he makes max money and that’s correct but the tooth paste is already out of the tube here. We can’t undue his contract and if we r gonna trad him why do it just to win the honor of maxing out Andre drummond.

Hayward can do more than just score and when’s he’s aggressive or even when his shot isn’t falling but he’s facilitating he’s really valuable to what we are doing here. He has sucked for the majority this year but I feel the best way for this team to proceed is buyout candidates and smaller trades.

The team IS better when Gordon is at his best, problem is this doesn't happen very often. And we have seen the disturbing pattern enough in the last 3 seasons where if someone is out due to injury this team seems to operate more smoothly, especially if it is Jaylen or Hayward out.

I think if Ainge can find a new team for Hayward he is going to be serious about moving him.

One thing people often forget is yeah the team was a quarter from the finals without Kyrie, but Hayward was not there either. I think the Jays were primed and ready to take on huge roles and still are. It just gets redundant with Hayward out there too.

I think the point is also though do you believe in Gordon as an integral part of this team's future or do you want to put more faith in the young Jay's? I think based on the contract Brown got, Ainge is gambling on the Jay's.

Disagree with you here about everything except the undisputed fact that Gordon is so inconsistent which you’re 1000% right on. That finals run meant nothing in the grand scheme of things- product of a terrible eastern conference and favorable match ups.

if you believe that the team is better when a player is out injured - then trading smart should also be on the table then. (Something im also against). Since he’s been back The Whole team has sucked and he’s oft injured as well. what player has a higher ceiling Hayward o smart ?

I really think many here (not you or a few other) are greatly overreacting to a team who massively overachieved this season up to this point and started to believe that the record was an indicator of how good they really were. We lose 3 straight (2 horrible losses) and now the trades HAVE happen.

This team isnt good enough where we should have players that arent on the table. Ainge knows this too, which makes his comments even stranger.

I love Marcus, but he should absolutely be on the table when listening to deals. His value should fully represent his worth, but he should be available too.

[SmartWentCrazy]

It’s also not winning a ring if you move Hayward. That’s the disconnect here. We aren’t gonna make a trade to out center- philly who has embiid. We are not making a trade this year to get a player on giannis’s level. I don’t care about trading Hayward as I believe anyone can be traded.

this team isn’t a move away from a ring. If we got to the finals we will run into top 3 lebron and top 7 AD or the clippers with kawhi and pg. the path to a ring again, is massive leaps from Tatum and brown or trading them next summer for a superstar.

This is part of the reason why I’m not opposed to dealing him. We need the Jays to take a leap and I think were in the perfect situation to toss them into the fire and see what they do. Hopefully they develop, but if we dont see what we like then at least we know to we should look to trade em.

[BigTrade92]

When has any of the smoke out there in recent years led to an actual trade? We are always in the rumors, partly because of Danny’s reputation (even though he really has shown patience) and partly because we are a team that’s good but still a piece away from true contention and Drummond is a position we are perceived to be lacking.

With us lately it’s the times you don’t hear anything that stuff happens. Whenever woj or someone else has said we are favorites it never happens. Same thing when we are linked with player x.

Hayward’s not going anywhere.

This team isn’t winning a title if you don’t move Hayward.

If the goal is to win a title, and it should be in the most open season in forever, then you have to make the move.

You’re not getting past Philly or Milwaukee with the presently constructed roster.

Might be a tough pill to swallow, but Hayward is the odd man out no matter which way you slice is.

It’s also not winning a ring if you move Hayward. That’s the disconnect here. We aren’t gonna make a trade to out center- philly who has embiid. We are not making a trade this year to get a player on giannis’s level. I don’t care about trading Hayward as I believe anyone can be traded.

this team isn’t a move away from a ring. If we got to the finals we will run into top 3 lebron and top 7 AD or the clippers with kawhi and pg. the path to a ring again, is massive leaps from Tatum and brown or trading them next summer for a superstar.

Yeah I disagree.

Drummond gives you the best chance at matching up against Philly and Milwaukee’s size and Gallinari can literally give you the same numbers as Hayward is giving you while improving your bench scoring dramatically. You’re also severely underestimating how moving Smart up to a starting role improves our backcourt defense.

This team most certainly is a move away from a ring. This year is an open book and anyone can win a title.

And I don’t care about the West until we’re in the Finals. At that point, between now and then, injuries and anything else can happen, just go ask Golden State and Toronto...

[MagicBagley18]

Hasnt the smoke always been some precursor of interest? Were we not highly interested in AD, PG13 and Hayward? Dont conflate events not occurring for a lack of interest or intent.

The thing that convinces me theres something more to this is that Ainge is trying to stay hidden by leaking vague ‘not trading our core’ messages [when the **** has he ever done that] to his normal guys and that our interest in players is being reported by rival exec’s [Amick/Pincus/Goodwill]. This isnt a nothingburger.

Didn’t woj and smith both say these players are off limits tho? has Vince goodwill ever broken nba news, let alone Celtic news. Eric pincus?

you also have to remember we are a year removed from the AD trade scenario affecting us and kyries contract affecting us-both outside forces that the young players def were affected by. Ainge may be proactively getting ahead of this.

Also ainge’s job is to reach out to teams on players he may have interest in. Not only does it start good dialogue and build relationships but it’s his duty to get the asking price for a player like Drummond to see what it would cost. if ainge calls Detroit and they tell him the asking price and ainge hangs up immediately and it’s reported the Celtics called about Drummond it’s fact but it’s not a barometer of serious interest.

The Stevens factor is also very much at play, ainge will not piss off stevens for a player that makes us slightly better. He would gamble on a player that could take us to the next level if it meant rocking the boat. Drummond isn’t that nor do I see a trade now where moving Hayward does that

The sources arent from here— thats what scares me. Ainge is digging on players and they report to guys they trust that were doing this. Ainge tries to control the narrative by leaking to his preferred sources, but I just dont believe him because he has every reason to lie here [Again, when has ‘Trader Danny’ ever said a third of the team is untouchable— that just doesnt add up, he’d trade Austin if it helped the team].

Its just weird that this stuff would leak from opposing teams if what Ainge was saying is true. It doesnt make sense that theyre lying because the only common theme is that Hayward would have to be involved and, point blank, he’s not going to cause some team to start a bidding war.

If Stevens would get pissed by us trading Hayward then we should trade him immediately because Stevens’ personal relationship would be impacting him professionally and that bias must be apparent and detrimental to the team.

Im not advocating we trade for Drummond. Hell— I’m not even advocating we trade Hayward. I cant really argue against you here. However, I do think we will move him.

Just have to agree to disagree. Can’t trade brown this year (u know that better than me) not trading Tatum obviously, Marcus Stevens loves and means a lot to what we do so naturally everyone connects the dots to Hayward. Don’t see it happening. Don’t see a move that makes us that much better. No move exists to make us a contender this season.

Forget Hayward’s relationship with Stevens aside, Stevens likes having a wing heavy team that’s versatile. They believe they have the best 3 wings in the league and consider that their ace up there sleeve (right or wrong) not to mention Stevens loves Hayward can be a ball handler in that 2nd unit or at times with the 1st- I’m saying that the fans here are more upset with Hayward than I believe Steve’s or ainge is.
Every year I see the Celtics mentioned for people in trades by multiple people outside the Celtics news guys and most years they are wrong. do I expect trades? Small ones for depth. No major ones at all. Guess we will see in a month.

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I’m not even the biggest Hayward fan and I’ll be there first to tell you, his career here seems cursed and his inconsistency can be maddening but I just don’t see what other ppl are seeing. Obviously I’d trade him in the right deal- but i don’t see this player that looks unhappy here or upset.

I still think when he plays well this team is at its best. You may say well he makes max money and that’s correct but the tooth paste is already out of the tube here. We can’t undue his contract and if we r gonna trad him why do it just to win the honor of maxing out Andre drummond.

Hayward can do more than just score and when’s he’s aggressive or even when his shot isn’t falling but he’s facilitating he’s really valuable to what we are doing here. He has sucked for the majority this year but I feel the best way for this team to proceed is buyout candidates and smaller trades.

The team IS better when Gordon is at his best, problem is this doesn't happen very often. And we have seen the disturbing pattern enough in the last 3 seasons where if someone is out due to injury this team seems to operate more smoothly, especially if it is Jaylen or Hayward out.

I think if Ainge can find a new team for Hayward he is going to be serious about moving him.

One thing people often forget is yeah the team was a quarter from the finals without Kyrie, but Hayward was not there either. I think the Jays were primed and ready to take on huge roles and still are. It just gets redundant with Hayward out there too.

I think the point is also though do you believe in Gordon as an integral part of this team's future or do you want to put more faith in the young Jay's? I think based on the contract Brown got, Ainge is gambling on the Jay's.

Disagree with you here about everything except the undisputed fact that Gordon is so inconsistent which you’re 1000% right on. That finals run meant nothing in the grand scheme of things- product of a terrible eastern conference and favorable match ups.

if you believe that the team is better when a player is out injured - then trading smart should also be on the table then. (Something im also against). Since he’s been back The Whole team has sucked and he’s oft injured as well. what player has a higher ceiling Hayward o smart ?

I really think many here (not you or a few other) are greatly overreacting to a team who massively overachieved this season up to this point and started to believe that the record was an indicator of how good they really were. We lose 3 straight (2 horrible losses) and now the trades HAVE happen.

I am open to trading Smart too actually.

I really think many here (not you or a few other) are greatly overreacting to a team who massively overachieved this season up to this point and started to believe that the record was an indicator of how good they really were. We lose 3 straight (2 horrible losses) and now the trades HAVE happen.

I don't think a trade has to happen asap or else the building is on fire. But I think Ainge will want to get some big man help based on the current landscape of the east.

Betting on Robert Williams who is always hurt too isn't a warm and comfy feeling.

[Celtics_History_Lesson]

The trade that wins the league.


Boston get K Love, A Drummond, D Gallinari, A Zizic


Smart and G Williams to OKC.

Romeo and Haywardo to Cavs.

Theis, Edwards to Pistons.


Boston sends some picks too. Memphis pick to Detroit.


Works for the salary rules, with some filler. Semi gone, Perrier gone. Four teams but not too complex. Thunder get two younger players for one who will leave or stay and be overpaid. Cavs get a lotto pick bigger guard, and Hayward. Detroit gets a nice pick, saves much money.


Drummond, Love, Brown, Tatum, Walker.

Gallinari scoring off the bench. Zizic with the muscle. R Williams still around with blocks. Wanamaker with backup guard passing. Tacko and Waters to the main roster. Javonte still energy off the bench.

[MagicBagley18]

This team isn’t winning a title if you don’t move Hayward.

If the goal is to win a title, and it should be in the most open season in forever, then you have to make the move.

You’re not getting past Philly or Milwaukee with the presently constructed roster.

Might be a tough pill to swallow, but Hayward is the odd man out no matter which way you slice is.

It’s also not winning a ring if you move Hayward. That’s the disconnect here. We aren’t gonna make a trade to out center- philly who has embiid. We are not making a trade this year to get a player on giannis’s level. I don’t care about trading Hayward as I believe anyone can be traded.

this team isn’t a move away from a ring. If we got to the finals we will run into top 3 lebron and top 7 AD or the clippers with kawhi and pg. the path to a ring again, is massive leaps from Tatum and brown or trading them next summer for a superstar.

Yeah I disagree.

Drummond gives you the best chance at matching up against Philly and Milwaukee’s size and Gallinari can literally give you the same numbers as Hayward is giving you while improving your bench scoring dramatically. You’re also severely underestimating how moving Smart up to a starting role improves our backcourt defense.

This team most certainly is a move away from a ring. This year is an open book and anyone can win a title.

And I don’t care about the West until we’re in the Finals. At that point, between now and then, injuries and anything else can happen, just go ask Golden State and Toronto...

Well you’re right it is a move away from a ring.....a move for a superstar. Also if the goal is to win a ring and not just get to the finals, than you need a team that can compete with the team that will come out of the west. The point is to get to the finals and win it.

[MagicBagley18]

The team IS better when Gordon is at his best, problem is this doesn't happen very often. And we have seen the disturbing pattern enough in the last 3 seasons where if someone is out due to injury this team seems to operate more smoothly, especially if it is Jaylen or Hayward out.

I think if Ainge can find a new team for Hayward he is going to be serious about moving him.

One thing people often forget is yeah the team was a quarter from the finals without Kyrie, but Hayward was not there either. I think the Jays were primed and ready to take on huge roles and still are. It just gets redundant with Hayward out there too.

I think the point is also though do you believe in Gordon as an integral part of this team's future or do you want to put more faith in the young Jay's? I think based on the contract Brown got, Ainge is gambling on the Jay's.

Disagree with you here about everything except the undisputed fact that Gordon is so inconsistent which you’re 1000% right on. That finals run meant nothing in the grand scheme of things- product of a terrible eastern conference and favorable match ups.

if you believe that the team is better when a player is out injured - then trading smart should also be on the table then. (Something im also against). Since he’s been back The Whole team has sucked and he’s oft injured as well. what player has a higher ceiling Hayward o smart ?

I really think many here (not you or a few other) are greatly overreacting to a team who massively overachieved this season up to this point and started to believe that the record was an indicator of how good they really were. We lose 3 straight (2 horrible losses) and now the trades HAVE happen.

I am open to trading Smart too actually.

I really think many here (not you or a few other) are greatly overreacting to a team who massively overachieved this season up to this point and started to believe that the record was an indicator of how good they really were. We lose 3 straight (2 horrible losses) and now the trades HAVE happen.

I don't think a trade has to happen asap or else the building is on fire. But I think Ainge will want to get some big man help based on the current landscape of the east.

Betting on Robert Williams who is always hurt too isn't a warm and comfy feeling.

Buyout market or small trades for depth or an upgrade at a certain position

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It’s also not winning a ring if you move Hayward. That’s the disconnect here. We aren’t gonna make a trade to out center- philly who has embiid. We are not making a trade this year to get a player on giannis’s level. I don’t care about trading Hayward as I believe anyone can be traded.

this team isn’t a move away from a ring. If we got to the finals we will run into top 3 lebron and top 7 AD or the clippers with kawhi and pg. the path to a ring again, is massive leaps from Tatum and brown or trading them next summer for a superstar.

This is part of the reason why I’m not opposed to dealing him. We need the Jays to take a leap and I think were in the perfect situation to toss them into the fire and see what they do. Hopefully they develop, but if we dont see what we like then at least we know to we should look to trade em.

Agree on this too. I mean, if you think this isn't a year to contend then why not just see what the Jays can do full time like you said, being tossed into the fire. Both seem like pretty hungry young guys......if they don't have what it takes then someday you could move one of them if not both.

[Dannyboy36]

Gallinari is having just as good, if not better, season than Hayward is on much less money.

We have no legit Center and we don’t have a prayer at stopping the front court of Philly or Milwaukee.

I don’t see any scenario where holding onto Hayward and pilfering through the buyout market changes any of that.

Team isn’t winning a title or just simply getting out of the East unless you move Hayward.

Even if you are correct that a Hayward trade gets us out of the East. ( I think we become a big iso team and get burned on the pick and roll-but I could be wrong!) I just hope we are going for the whole thing and not just thrilled with a Finals appearance. We all know this Laker and Clipper teams will not loon the same pretty soon.

[BigTrade92]

It’s also not winning a ring if you move Hayward. That’s the disconnect here. We aren’t gonna make a trade to out center- philly who has embiid. We are not making a trade this year to get a player on giannis’s level. I don’t care about trading Hayward as I believe anyone can be traded.

this team isn’t a move away from a ring. If we got to the finals we will run into top 3 lebron and top 7 AD or the clippers with kawhi and pg. the path to a ring again, is massive leaps from Tatum and brown or trading them next summer for a superstar.

Yeah I disagree.

Drummond gives you the best chance at matching up against Philly and Milwaukee’s size and Gallinari can literally give you the same numbers as Hayward is giving you while improving your bench scoring dramatically. You’re also severely underestimating how moving Smart up to a starting role improves our backcourt defense.

This team most certainly is a move away from a ring. This year is an open book and anyone can win a title.

And I don’t care about the West until we’re in the Finals. At that point, between now and then, injuries and anything else can happen, just go ask Golden State and Toronto...

Well you’re right it is a move away from a ring.....a move for a superstar. Also if the goal is to win a ring and not just get to the finals, than you need a team that can compete with the team that will come out of the west. The point is to get to the finals and win it.

And if you get Drummond and Gallo to go with Tatum, Brown, Smart and Kemba, you most certainly can win a title against any team in the entire league.