Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[zoyathedestroya]

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Gordon is not a young asset. Hayward officially on the trade block confirmed lol.

No but seriously, these Hayward trade requests/proposals/speculation need to get even louder. Reporters should even ask him about it, being the "most logical piece to move" or "odd man out". Let's see how he responds on the court.

Some have suggested Hayward might welcome a change of scenery. I don't think that scenery is Detroit or Cleveland haha. Neither team would have a use for him too. You'd need a third team. Three-teamers are hard to pull off esp midseason.

[SichtingLives]

The last team to win an NBA championship employing a traditional "dominant" allstar 5 was the Lakers with Pau Gasol and that was ten years ago. The champion build is elite wing, all-star PG, shoot/slash/scoring all-star 3rd option. The rest of the team is more or less, all role players. The 5 particularly is committee bigs with different skillsets swapped in and out to suit smaller lineups, its where the league is at and has been for a while. Until we have the elite wing, which we're praying is Tatum or needs to be somebody else, we're in purgatory. So long as Tatum/Brown/Hayward are roughly on the same tier, es no bueno. All signs point that we're all in on Tatum so our future is directly tied to him reaching a high ceiling. 3 really good wings and an all-star point guard gets us nowhere unless the center is literally Embiid, Towns or Jokic.

[robdog_5]

When I've watched Boston this year I've felt that Hayward outside of Kemba is the best playmaker and decision maker on our team. He is the guy who I trust most to make a good decision with the ball every time he has it. He cant do what Tatum does and get his shot off anywhere. He doesnt have tthe explosiveness of Brown. Not the upside but hes one of our best basketball players.

I've been anti trade Hayward. Still lean that way. But what's the end game of trading Hayward. Who could we net that makes a huge difference? We need to send out some things because honestly we dont have enough roster spots to keep adding 3 rookies every year.

So who are some realistic guys we could add?

[BigTrade92]

no you won’t. Not even close

I find your lack of faith disturbing. But hey, that’s cool if you want to be a plastic person.

At the end of the day though, if you don’t foresee this team winning a title with Hayward, then how exactly does trading him hurt you?

So you swapped one extra year of Hayward for one extra year of Drummond. What’s lost exactly?

Not plastic at all lord Vader. Plastic is placing your faith in gallo on a title contender and thinking Drummond who doesn’t fit anything we do at all is going to get you a ring. Oh btw disregarding the history of the nba that says not having a top 10 player doesn’t get you a ring.

Plastic people think we have to make a trade right now this year to win something that we can’t win. Trade trade trade in a major deal instead of getting a buyout candidate and a depth piece. That’s plastic.

the ring comes through Tatum and brown. Either developmentally or through a trade via them.

You rambled on and didn’t answer my question, so I’ll ask again:

If you don’t foresee this team winning a title with Hayward, then how exactly does trading him hurt you?

[Marvel]

Changed my mind on KAT. I would welcome a trade for him. An elite big? Why not. He's improved every year and he's only 24. He should be the main target imo.

[zoyathedestroya]

What's in it for OKC, Cavs, or Pistons? Why would they trade for Hayward, who may or may not have a lingering foot issue and has a player option this offseason?

[Wes-J]

Why would OKC be sellers?

As of now they're a 7th seed. Somebody know something I don't?

[robdog_5]

What's in it for OKC, Cavs, or Pistons? Why would they trade for Hayward, who may or may not have a lingering foot issue and has a player option this offseason?

Feel like the teams that may want Hayward are teams that feel there close but need another playmaker. Maybe a Denver, Portland, Minny, Phoenix, or Spurs.

3 way deal maybe best. I looked at some on trade machine with Nuggets and Portland with Cavs, Wiz or Kings facilitaters as 3rd team I just don't see enough realistic impact coming in to make the trade.

[zoyathedestroya]

I'm doing my annual tradition of starting with the assumption that we won't do anything and then suddenly having an epiphany day where I'm in the trade machine all day and convinced we're gonna pull off some madness.

Deciding to take a break after I started to convince myself that Chris Paul wouldn't be a bad idea.

Yep. I'm having a hard time finding a logical, realistic trade (10-player, 3-team trades don't count) that would benefit both the Celtics and whoever wants to trade for Hayward (and/or asset attached). His high salary $$, health questions, and PO status make him a tough piece to move, even if we're willing. Or maybe I'm just not creative enough haha.

[zoyathedestroya]

Why would OKC be sellers?

As of now they're a 7th seed. Somebody know something I don't?

Before the season began, maybe, when they were still trying to move CP. Now they're sitting pretty. Their season turned out better than expected. They're already drowning in 1sts/swaps while not losing much ground compared to last season's performance.

They still could be sellers if they get young pieces and/or picks for Schroder or Gallinari. I don't think they need or are inclined to move Adams.

[zoyathedestroya]

What's in it for OKC, Cavs, or Pistons? Why would they trade for Hayward, who may or may not have a lingering foot issue and has a player option this offseason?

Feel like the teams that may want Hayward are teams that feel there close but need another playmaker. Maybe a Denver, Portland, Minny, Phoenix, or Spurs.

3 way deal maybe best. I looked at some on trade machine with Nuggets and Portland with Cavs, Wiz or Kings facilitaters as 3rd team I just don't see enough realistic impact coming in to make the trade.

Spurs and Nuggets are the best fits, basketball-wise. Who wants Rudy Gay and DeMarre Carroll (plus another piece) though? A 3-for-1 for Hayward isn't a thing a team who values depth like the Spurs would do too. Nuggets aren't moving Millsap or Harris* for Hayward if they want to contend now so that leaves Plumlee, Barton, and Grant. But then they're left with two potential big FAs in Millsap and Hayward as Murray's new contract kicks in.

Sota has Covington and Dieng. I wouldn't mind getting both. Wolves won't do that if their goal is to compete since they're two of their best defenders. Who wants Jeff Teague?

*EDIT: Harris hasn't been playing well this season on offense so maaaaaybe he's not off the table. C's already have Brown, Smart, and Langford.

[K For Three]

I don't see much out there I like either. I just believe like SmartWentCrazy that Danny might move him if he can find a good deal.

I remember hearing some rumblings in the past about the Rockets maybe kicking the tires on Gordon Hayward too.

[zoyathedestroya]

I don't see much out there I like either. I just believe like SmartWentCrazy that Danny might move him if he can find a good deal.

I remember hearing some rumblings in the past about the Rockets maybe kicking the tires on Gordon Hayward too.

Was that before or after they acquired Westbrook? Rockets don't need another playmaker. Harden has the ball in his hands so much already. They're also not trading Capela. Eric Gordon can't be moved due to his extension. Are they moving on from Westbrook already? I don't think Danny wants any part of Westbrook's contract even if they're open to trading him. Have to say though, a healthy Gordon is a better fit in Houston than Russ. Actually, this year's CP3 is a better fit there, although there might have been non-basketball reasons behind the divorce.

[zoyathedestroya]

Assuming we really wanted Drummond and are keen on re-signing him to whatever his next contract is, would Detroit go for something like Hayward + R.WIlliams + MIL pick for Drummond + Galloway? We're the ones who need to add value 'cos in this scenario, we need Drummond much more than they need Hayward.

I think Imma stop right here. Andrew might have infected me with something.

[robdog_5]

What's in it for OKC, Cavs, or Pistons? Why would they trade for Hayward, who may or may not have a lingering foot issue and has a player option this offseason?

Feel like the teams that may want Hayward are teams that feel there close but need another playmaker. Maybe a Denver, Portland, Minny, Phoenix, or Spurs.

3 way deal maybe best. I looked at some on trade machine with Nuggets and Portland with Cavs, Wiz or Kings facilitaters as 3rd team I just don't see enough realistic impact coming in to make the trade.

Spurs and Nuggets are the best fits, basketball-wise. Who wants Rudy Gay and DeMarre Carroll (plus another piece) though? A 3-for-1 for Hayward isn't a thing a team who values depth like the Spurs would do too. Nuggets aren't moving Millsap or Harris* for Hayward if they want to contend now so that leaves Plumlee, Barton, and Grant. But then they're left with two potential big FAs in Millsap and Hayward as Murray's new contract kicks in.

Sota has Covington and Dieng. I wouldn't mind getting both. Wolves won't do that if their goal is to compete since they're two of their best defenders. Who wants Jeff Teague?

*EDIT: Harris hasn't been playing well this season on offense so maaaaaybe he's not off the table. C's already have Brown, Smart, and Langford.

Its gonna have to be a 3 way IMO

[robdog_5]

Feel like the teams that may want Hayward are teams that feel there close but need another playmaker. Maybe a Denver, Portland, Minny, Phoenix, or Spurs.

3 way deal maybe best. I looked at some on trade machine with Nuggets and Portland with Cavs, Wiz or Kings facilitaters as 3rd team I just don't see enough realistic impact coming in to make the trade.

Spurs and Nuggets are the best fits, basketball-wise. Who wants Rudy Gay and DeMarre Carroll (plus another piece) though? A 3-for-1 for Hayward isn't a thing a team who values depth like the Spurs would do too. Nuggets aren't moving Millsap or Harris* for Hayward if they want to contend now so that leaves Plumlee, Barton, and Grant. But then they're left with two potential big FAs in Millsap and Hayward as Murray's new contract kicks in.

Sota has Covington and Dieng. I wouldn't mind getting both. Wolves won't do that if their goal is to compete since they're two of their best defenders. Who wants Jeff Teague?

*EDIT: Harris hasn't been playing well this season on offense so maaaaaybe he's not off the table. C's already have Brown, Smart, and Langford.

Its gonna have to be a 3 way IMO, unless Danny throws in a lot of picks for a legit 2 guys

[K For Three]

I don't see much out there I like either. I just believe like SmartWentCrazy that Danny might move him if he can find a good deal.

I remember hearing some rumblings in the past about the Rockets maybe kicking the tires on Gordon Hayward too.

Was that before or after they acquired Westbrook? Rockets don't need another playmaker. Harden has the ball in his hands so much already. They're also not trading Capela. Eric Gordon can't be moved due to his extension. Are they moving on from Westbrook already? I don't think Danny wants any part of Westbrook's contract even if they're open to trading him. Have to say though, a healthy Gordon is a better fit in Houston than Russ. Actually, this year's CP3 is a better fit there, although there might have been non-basketball reasons behind the divorce.

Before Westbrook. So I don't think it makes much sense now, blah.

[zoyathedestroya]

I don't see much out there I like either. I just believe like SmartWentCrazy that Danny might move him if he can find a good deal.

I remember hearing some rumblings in the past about the Rockets maybe kicking the tires on Gordon Hayward too.

Was that before or after they acquired Westbrook? Rockets don't need another playmaker. Harden has the ball in his hands so much already. They're also not trading Capela. Eric Gordon can't be moved due to his extension. Are they moving on from Westbrook already? I don't think Danny wants any part of Westbrook's contract even if they're open to trading him. Have to say though, a healthy Gordon is a better fit in Houston than Russ. Actually, this year's CP3 is a better fit there, although there might have been non-basketball reasons behind the divorce.

Before Westbrook. So I don't think it makes much sense now, blah.

If Hayward does get moved, it would be something none of us have thought of lol.

Midseason three-teamers are not uncommon but I don't think anything near Hayward's salary or contract status has been involved in recent past, if at all.

[cloverleaf]

The last team to win an NBA championship employing a traditional "dominant" allstar 5 was the Lakers with Pau Gasol and that was ten years ago. The champion build is elite wing, all-star PG, shoot/slash/scoring all-star 3rd option. The rest of the team is more or less, all role players. The 5 particularly is committee bigs with different skillsets swapped in and out to suit smaller lineups, its where the league is at and has been for a while. Until we have the elite wing, which we're praying is Tatum or needs to be somebody else, we're in purgatory. So long as Tatum/Brown/Hayward are roughly on the same tier, es no bueno. All signs point that we're all in on Tatum so our future is directly tied to him reaching a high ceiling. 3 really good wings and an all-star point guard gets us nowhere unless the center is literally Embiid, Towns or Jokic.

The reigning champs just had the other Gasol start every postseason game for them, averaging over 30 minutes a game. Yeah, he can hit a few 3's too, but he's mostly a traditional defensive center.

[SichtingLives]

The last team to win an NBA championship employing a traditional "dominant" allstar 5 was the Lakers with Pau Gasol and that was ten years ago. The champion build is elite wing, all-star PG, shoot/slash/scoring all-star 3rd option. The rest of the team is more or less, all role players. The 5 particularly is committee bigs with different skillsets swapped in and out to suit smaller lineups, its where the league is at and has been for a while. Until we have the elite wing, which we're praying is Tatum or needs to be somebody else, we're in purgatory. So long as Tatum/Brown/Hayward are roughly on the same tier, es no bueno. All signs point that we're all in on Tatum so our future is directly tied to him reaching a high ceiling. 3 really good wings and an all-star point guard gets us nowhere unless the center is literally Embiid, Towns or Jokic.

The reigning champs just had the other Gasol start every postseason game for them, averaging over 30 minutes a game. Yeah, he can hit a few 3's too, but he's mostly a traditional defensive center.

Gasol was one of the lowest usage players in their rotation. Its good for them that he could be utilized for 30 minutes in the PO due to his defensive presence but its the same concept. Nobody who is winning rings is leaning on a heavy usage 5 on offense if you look through the pace and space era. Actually Raps last year are a great example of how to build a champ in todays league. Elite wing, All-star PG, all-star level 3rd option, then the cadre of role players including shooting, length, defensive versatility. They just happened to fill out their roster with an excellent supporting cast aside from their top 3 which is what tends to be the case on most champ squads. Truth is you need all of that to get over the top, not just some of it. Nurse was great for them too. But the elite wing is basically a pre-requisite unless your all-star PG is Steph.

As this roster currently stands, our ceiling is Tatums ceiling. Brown could be a breakout star in the postseason but he looks ideal as third banana. We're still a year too early for Tatum to blow up and the crappy thing is nobody knows if he can be elite or not as a focal point of the offense and there are troubling signs with that but we have to just wait and see, there isn't really another play there. If we're looking to move Hayward I'd target an offensive threat like Love over Drummond. Slides Tatum to the 3, we get bigger + better on the boards. Now I'm talking myself into this...