Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[MagicBagley18]

I find your lack of faith disturbing. But hey, that’s cool if you want to be a plastic person.

At the end of the day though, if you don’t foresee this team winning a title with Hayward, then how exactly does trading him hurt you?

So you swapped one extra year of Hayward for one extra year of Drummond. What’s lost exactly?

Not plastic at all lord Vader. Plastic is placing your faith in gallo on a title contender and thinking Drummond who doesn’t fit anything we do at all is going to get you a ring. Oh btw disregarding the history of the nba that says not having a top 10 player doesn’t get you a ring.

Plastic people think we have to make a trade right now this year to win something that we can’t win. Trade trade trade in a major deal instead of getting a buyout candidate and a depth piece. That’s plastic.

the ring comes through Tatum and brown. Either developmentally or through a trade via them.

You rambled on and didn’t answer my question, so I’ll ask again:

If you don’t foresee this team winning a title with Hayward, then how exactly does trading him hurt you?

Not rambling letting you know what plastic is- so let’s get that straight first and foremost for the record so pump the brakes there.

I think the team is better off when Hayward is playing his best and when he does the teams ceiling is at its highest. I think him playing well is better than a team with Drummond playing well. I’m willing to let this season play out and see if Hayward can get some consistency and or stay healthy.

I think Hayward as a facilitator and play maker is better than Drummond who doesn’t do anything that this team does well. Stevens teams don’t use and wont use traditional bigs the way you guys think they will so I don’t see him unleashing some potential in Drummond.

I also think as said earlier but you apparently decided not to read it when I said it 3x that Stevens and ainge want wings. They believe having 3 wings who are versatile is our ticket to advancing and I don’t think they are as down on Hayward as you or others.

there u go plastic man.

[MagicBagley18]

Danny would trade his own family IF the right deal came around. That’s his job. To make the hard trades and call around and start dialogue and get the asking prices. of course he checks in on Drummond. Find me the Hayward trade that 1) another team really wants and 2) makes us definitively better.

It doesn’t exist. it’s making a trade to make a trade. Go get bertans or a bench piece and then hope Tristan or someone similar gets bought out and we can snag him and we keep Hayward. doesn’t shake up the apple cart mid season and makes the team advance just as far it not more than it would making massive trades for headlines.

[Dannyboy36]

Not plastic at all lord Vader. Plastic is placing your faith in gallo on a title contender and thinking Drummond who doesn’t fit anything we do at all is going to get you a ring. Oh btw disregarding the history of the nba that says not having a top 10 player doesn’t get you a ring.

Plastic people think we have to make a trade right now this year to win something that we can’t win. Trade trade trade in a major deal instead of getting a buyout candidate and a depth piece. That’s plastic.

the ring comes through Tatum and brown. Either developmentally or through a trade via them.

You rambled on and didn’t answer my question, so I’ll ask again:

If you don’t foresee this team winning a title with Hayward, then how exactly does trading him hurt you?

Not rambling letting you know what plastic is- so let’s get that straight first and foremost for the record so pump the brakes there.

I think the team is better off when Hayward is playing his best and when he does the teams ceiling is at its highest. I think him playing well is better than a team with Drummond playing well. I’m willing to let this season play out and see if Hayward can get some consistency and or stay healthy.

I think Hayward as a facilitator and play maker is better than Drummond who doesn’t do anything that this team does well. Stevens teams don’t use and wont use traditional bigs the way you guys think they will so I don’t see him unleashing some potential in Drummond.

I also think as said earlier but you apparently decided not to read it when I said it 3x that Stevens and ainge want wings. They believe having 3 wings who are versatile is our ticket to advancing and I don’t think they are as down on Hayward as you or others.

there u go plastic man.

I agree with all of the above, myself. ( except the plastic man stuff whatever that is)

[MagicBagley18]

You rambled on and didn’t answer my question, so I’ll ask again:

If you don’t foresee this team winning a title with Hayward, then how exactly does trading him hurt you?

Not rambling letting you know what plastic is- so let’s get that straight first and foremost for the record so pump the brakes there.

I think the team is better off when Hayward is playing his best and when he does the teams ceiling is at its highest. I think him playing well is better than a team with Drummond playing well. I’m willing to let this season play out and see if Hayward can get some consistency and or stay healthy.

I think Hayward as a facilitator and play maker is better than Drummond who doesn’t do anything that this team does well. Stevens teams don’t use and wont use traditional bigs the way you guys think they will so I don’t see him unleashing some potential in Drummond.

I also think as said earlier but you apparently decided not to read it when I said it 3x that Stevens and ainge want wings. They believe having 3 wings who are versatile is our ticket to advancing and I don’t think they are as down on Hayward as you or others.

there u go plastic man.

I agree with all of the above, myself. ( except the plastic man stuff whatever that is)

Just ball breakin nothing personal.

[Dannyboy36]

Not plastic at all lord Vader. Plastic is placing your faith in gallo on a title contender and thinking Drummond who doesn’t fit anything we do at all is going to get you a ring. Oh btw disregarding the history of the nba that says not having a top 10 player doesn’t get you a ring.

Plastic people think we have to make a trade right now this year to win something that we can’t win. Trade trade trade in a major deal instead of getting a buyout candidate and a depth piece. That’s plastic.

the ring comes through Tatum and brown. Either developmentally or through a trade via them.

You rambled on and didn’t answer my question, so I’ll ask again:

If you don’t foresee this team winning a title with Hayward, then how exactly does trading him hurt you?

Not rambling letting you know what plastic is- so let’s get that straight first and foremost for the record so pump the brakes there.

I think the team is better off when Hayward is playing his best and when he does the teams ceiling is at its highest. I think him playing well is better than a team with Drummond playing well. I’m willing to let this season play out and see if Hayward can get some consistency and or stay healthy.

I think Hayward as a facilitator and play maker is better than Drummond who doesn’t do anything that this team does well. Stevens teams don’t use and wont use traditional bigs the way you guys think they will so I don’t see him unleashing some potential in Drummond.

I also think as said earlier but you apparently decided not to read it when I said it 3x that Stevens and ainge want wings. They believe having 3 wings who are versatile is our ticket to advancing and I don’t think they are as down on Hayward as you or others.

there u go plastic man.

I think this point of what Brad wants isn’t being acknowledged enough or ignored. Are we sure Brad can even coach a more old school traditional big man team? He has enough trouble putting together an effective offense as is.
I think the last time we didn’t go with a big that could shoot 3’s starting it was Tyler Zeller. ( probably forgetting someone)

[Dannyboy36]

I wish Danny would ignore what Brad wants a little more.

[BigTrade92]

Not plastic at all lord Vader. Plastic is placing your faith in gallo on a title contender and thinking Drummond who doesn’t fit anything we do at all is going to get you a ring. Oh btw disregarding the history of the nba that says not having a top 10 player doesn’t get you a ring.

Plastic people think we have to make a trade right now this year to win something that we can’t win. Trade trade trade in a major deal instead of getting a buyout candidate and a depth piece. That’s plastic.

the ring comes through Tatum and brown. Either developmentally or through a trade via them.

You rambled on and didn’t answer my question, so I’ll ask again:

If you don’t foresee this team winning a title with Hayward, then how exactly does trading him hurt you?

Not rambling letting you know what plastic is- so let’s get that straight first and foremost for the record so pump the brakes there.

I think the team is better off when Hayward is playing his best and when he does the teams ceiling is at its highest. I think him playing well is better than a team with Drummond playing well. I’m willing to let this season play out and see if Hayward can get some consistency and or stay healthy.

I think Hayward as a facilitator and play maker is better than Drummond who doesn’t do anything that this team does well. Stevens teams don’t use and wont use traditional bigs the way you guys think they will so I don’t see him unleashing some potential in Drummond.

I also think as said earlier but you apparently decided not to read it when I said it 3x that Stevens and ainge want wings. They believe having 3 wings who are versatile is our ticket to advancing and I don’t think they are as down on Hayward as you or others.

there u go plastic man.

Nah you still plastic as hell if you don’t believe the team can win a title this season, but hey, whatever makes you sleep at night.

And I’m missing where they’d be losing a wing? In this trade scenario, they would be replacing Gordon with Gallo, so I’m not seeing where we’re losing a wing and a facilitator, but that’s another story I guess.

Now I do agree with your overall point on wings, but the fact of the matter is, this team is structurally challenged and can’t beat the teams they need to beat as presently constructed with no legit big man. I’m sure Danny and Brad want to play one way, but the East is dictating a different strategy. Team is a dead duck in the playoffs without height.

So in other words, it seems you’re squarely on the side of punting this season, just for the sake of punting this season which makes no sense, rather than matchup with the teams you 100% need to match up with and go for a title run, with the cost being pretty negligible and having no real negative impact on the future of this franchise in any way.

Hmm. Okay. Seem pretty plastic to me....

[CelticFaninLBC]

What's in it for OKC, Cavs, or Pistons? Why would they trade for Hayward, who may or may not have a lingering foot issue and has a player option this offseason?

Yep not many good matches for Hayward considering his contract. Indiana could be an option, since they're a good playoff team. However, Boston will need to throw in more for Turner, since Hayward can opt out at the end of the season.

Myles Turner seems like a better fit than Drummond. He's just 23 and locked into a reasonable deal for 3 more year after this season. Also, he can space the floor on offense

[Dannyboy36]

You rambled on and didn’t answer my question, so I’ll ask again:

If you don’t foresee this team winning a title with Hayward, then how exactly does trading him hurt you?

Not rambling letting you know what plastic is- so let’s get that straight first and foremost for the record so pump the brakes there.

I think the team is better off when Hayward is playing his best and when he does the teams ceiling is at its highest. I think him playing well is better than a team with Drummond playing well. I’m willing to let this season play out and see if Hayward can get some consistency and or stay healthy.

I think Hayward as a facilitator and play maker is better than Drummond who doesn’t do anything that this team does well. Stevens teams don’t use and wont use traditional bigs the way you guys think they will so I don’t see him unleashing some potential in Drummond.

I also think as said earlier but you apparently decided not to read it when I said it 3x that Stevens and ainge want wings. They believe having 3 wings who are versatile is our ticket to advancing and I don’t think they are as down on Hayward as you or others.

there u go plastic man.

Nah you still plastic as hell if you don’t believe the team can win a title this season, but hey, whatever makes you sleep at night.

And I’m missing where they’d be losing a wing? In this trade scenario, they would be replacing Gordon with Gallo, so I’m not seeing where we’re losing a wing and a facilitator, but that’s another story I guess.

Now I do agree with your overall point on wings, but the fact of the matter is, this team is structurally challenged and can’t beat the teams they need to beat as presently constructed with no legit big man. I’m sure Danny and Brad want to play one way, but the East is dictating a different strategy. Team is a dead duck in the playoffs without height.

So in other words, it seems you’re squarely on the side of punting this season, just for the sake of punting this season which makes no sense, rather than matchup with the teams you 100% need to match up with and go for a title run, with the cost being pretty negligible and having no real negative impact on the future of this franchise in any way.

Hmm. Okay. Seem pretty plastic to me....

We’d be losing a facilitator in Hayward. Gallinari is not that ( unless I’m misunderstanding.)

[zoyathedestroya]

Read on Twitter

He probably hasn't been scanning Celtics Twitter and this forum lol.

[BigTrade92]

Not rambling letting you know what plastic is- so let’s get that straight first and foremost for the record so pump the brakes there.

I think the team is better off when Hayward is playing his best and when he does the teams ceiling is at its highest. I think him playing well is better than a team with Drummond playing well. I’m willing to let this season play out and see if Hayward can get some consistency and or stay healthy.

I think Hayward as a facilitator and play maker is better than Drummond who doesn’t do anything that this team does well. Stevens teams don’t use and wont use traditional bigs the way you guys think they will so I don’t see him unleashing some potential in Drummond.

I also think as said earlier but you apparently decided not to read it when I said it 3x that Stevens and ainge want wings. They believe having 3 wings who are versatile is our ticket to advancing and I don’t think they are as down on Hayward as you or others.

there u go plastic man.

Nah you still plastic as hell if you don’t believe the team can win a title this season, but hey, whatever makes you sleep at night.

And I’m missing where they’d be losing a wing? In this trade scenario, they would be replacing Gordon with Gallo, so I’m not seeing where we’re losing a wing and a facilitator, but that’s another story I guess.

Now I do agree with your overall point on wings, but the fact of the matter is, this team is structurally challenged and can’t beat the teams they need to beat as presently constructed with no legit big man. I’m sure Danny and Brad want to play one way, but the East is dictating a different strategy. Team is a dead duck in the playoffs without height.

So in other words, it seems you’re squarely on the side of punting this season, just for the sake of punting this season which makes no sense, rather than matchup with the teams you 100% need to match up with and go for a title run, with the cost being pretty negligible and having no real negative impact on the future of this franchise in any way.

Hmm. Okay. Seem pretty plastic to me....

We’d be losing a facilitator in Hayward. Gallinari is not that ( unless I’m misunderstanding.)

Uh yeah is he. Guess you haven’t seen Gallinari play much? His game is very similar to Hayward’s.

Gallo is a decent passer, can run the pick-and-roll and can drain threes, which forces his defender to step out of the paint to deal with him and opens up lanes for others. That’s the definition of a facilitator.

[batabatuta]

At this point, i'd be willing to put either one of Hayward, Tatum, Smart, Rob Williams on the trade block in the offseason not at the trade deadline. Hayward because he is mentally soft (not gonna change anytime soon). Rob because of the injuries, Smart because of his brick shooting and Tatum because of the missed layups (how in the world a player of his caliber consistently misses wide open layups? It tells you a lot about his focus. Waiting for him to mature might not be worth the wait. He might not be the franchise player we hope him to be). Their weaknesses far outweigh their strengths and if there is a better offer, Ainge should take it. We have enough sample size from last season and this season to make an assessment as to what these players are based on their consistencies err inconsistencies. They are talented but they are middle pieces, not stars. They are not going to make us a contender. This is the part where i get somewhat jealous of LA. They always find a way to get their stars. I'm leaving Kemba untouched and Brown. I feel like the rest are dispensable but don't have significant trade value.

[CelticsLV]

I start to think ownership and Ainge doesn't even prioritize titles. Looks like the plan is to keep this team good/very good for as long as possible while not overspending. The rest is "whatever happens, happens". I guess it's good enough for normies and great for business. The usual comments about sustained "success", not looking for quick fixes etc. are pretty telling.

I don't expect any trades. Especially if it involves giving up picks.

[MagicBagley18]

You rambled on and didn’t answer my question, so I’ll ask again:

If you don’t foresee this team winning a title with Hayward, then how exactly does trading him hurt you?

Not rambling letting you know what plastic is- so let’s get that straight first and foremost for the record so pump the brakes there.

I think the team is better off when Hayward is playing his best and when he does the teams ceiling is at its highest. I think him playing well is better than a team with Drummond playing well. I’m willing to let this season play out and see if Hayward can get some consistency and or stay healthy.

I think Hayward as a facilitator and play maker is better than Drummond who doesn’t do anything that this team does well. Stevens teams don’t use and wont use traditional bigs the way you guys think they will so I don’t see him unleashing some potential in Drummond.

I also think as said earlier but you apparently decided not to read it when I said it 3x that Stevens and ainge want wings. They believe having 3 wings who are versatile is our ticket to advancing and I don’t think they are as down on Hayward as you or others.

there u go plastic man.

Nah you still plastic as hell if you don’t believe the team can win a title this season, but hey, whatever makes you sleep at night.

And I’m missing where they’d be losing a wing? In this trade scenario, they would be replacing Gordon with Gallo, so I’m not seeing where we’re losing a wing and a facilitator, but that’s another story I guess.

Now I do agree with your overall point on wings, but the fact of the matter is, this team is structurally challenged and can’t beat the teams they need to beat as presently constructed with no legit big man. I’m sure Danny and Brad want to play one way, but the East is dictating a different strategy. Team is a dead duck in the playoffs without height.

So in other words, it seems you’re squarely on the side of punting this season, just for the sake of punting this season which makes no sense, rather than matchup with the teams you 100% need to match up with and go for a title run, with the cost being pretty negligible and having no real negative impact on the future of this franchise in any way.

Hmm. Okay. Seem pretty plastic to me....

Ok i tried bigdummy92 but wanting us to win a title and thinking we can are 2 different things. I want this team to win a ring. I know we can’t. Why? because they lack the top end talent we need to do so. We lack depth on the bench. 2 of our main pieces are 21 & 22. It makes me rationale and objective - you thinking we can makes you a green glassed homer who can’t separate what they want from what is going to happen or very likely to happen. Again I am Also not against trades in general but I am against trades that don’t make sense.

It’s not a wasted season letting Tatum and brown grow and mature and really carry a team for the 1st time in their careers. The residual effects long term are actually beneficial to them and the Celtics. You learn by going through the fire. In 2017 or other seasons they did not have the roles or load they do now for an entire season.

It is not punting this season- I said several times add depth to bench and then add a big via buyout or trade. We can not out big philly. only morons believe that. Our way to beat them is through what we do well and what they can’t-versatility on the perimeter with our wings. that’s how we stand a chance this season.

Gallo is oft injured, plays zero defense and lacks any playmaking capability whatsoever. If you think Hayward is taking shots or stunting development of Tatum or brown- how is gallo any different? At least Hayward makes plays for others on the team and I believe the stats show that Tatum gets most of his open looks from 3 with Hayward on the court. So you get gallo- still take shots away from the guys who need them with none of the play making and quite honestly IMO worse defense from him. Genius move.

Stevens wants his center to be able to switch in certain situations if they call for it like mentioned before. Drummond does not do that. All of his points are at the rim, which means we would also have to go away from what we normally do on offense- how does that affect brown and Tatum? particularly when we have to run more pick n rolls for Drummond instead of running our offense which is heavy on ball movement, isolations, seeking mismatches and motion. He can’t hit a jump shot. He would kill spacing. He’s not close to a fit.

If you develop 2 core pieces of your future this season and they both make leaps- than this season is not a punted season especially if you can showcase them for other teams for a potential trade next season for that superstar player. It’s a development and build season. That’s always been the case. This is not a championship roster. You go all in when you have that. You don’t make moves for the honor of losing to the bucks in 6 or clippers or lakers.

[zoyathedestroya]

I start to think ownership and Ainge doesn't even prioritize titles. Looks like the plan is to keep this team good/very good for as long as possible while not overspending. The rest is "whatever happens, happens". I guess it's good enough for normies and great for business. The usual comments about sustained "success", not looking for quick fixes etc. are pretty telling.

I don't expect any trades. Especially if it involves giving up picks.

Can never have enough James Youngs and RJ Hunters.

[31to6]

I start to think ownership and Ainge doesn't even prioritize titles. Looks like the plan is to keep this team good/very good for as long as possible while not overspending. The rest is "whatever happens, happens". I guess it's good enough for normies and great for business. The usual comments about sustained "success", not looking for quick fixes etc. are pretty telling.

I don't expect any trades. Especially if it involves giving up picks.

Didn’t they trade or cut 4/5ths of the starting lineup of an ECF team like 2.5 years ago? Because they knew that team, while gritty and competitive, wasn’t going to be a legitimate contender?

I think now they’re seeing what JB/JT/Smart can become, which makes sense for now since you want those assets to mature.

[CelticsLV]

I start to think ownership and Ainge doesn't even prioritize titles. Looks like the plan is to keep this team good/very good for as long as possible while not overspending. The rest is "whatever happens, happens". I guess it's good enough for normies and great for business. The usual comments about sustained "success", not looking for quick fixes etc. are pretty telling.

I don't expect any trades. Especially if it involves giving up picks.

Didn’t they trade or cut 4/5ths of the starting lineup of an ECF team like 2.5 years ago? Because they knew that team, while gritty and competitive, wasn’t going to be a legitimate contender?

I think now they’re seeing what JB/JT/Smart can become, which makes sense for now since you want those assets to mature.

That clearly falls under the "try not to overspend" category. Horford was looking for big longterm contract, Morris was also looking for bigger contract, same with Rozier. Baynes was traded to make room for Walker. Imo Walker really doesn't bring you closer to title than those 4 guys. But the moves made sense from money perspective.

IT era was pretty much the same. This current team isn't closer to the title than IT, Horford team. Maybe better at the top but clearly worse depth wise.

[StojkoVrankovic]

Wouldn't plastic be wanting to make some trades after losing 3 games for the first time all season?

[Dannyboy36]

Nah you still plastic as hell if you don’t believe the team can win a title this season, but hey, whatever makes you sleep at night.

And I’m missing where they’d be losing a wing? In this trade scenario, they would be replacing Gordon with Gallo, so I’m not seeing where we’re losing a wing and a facilitator, but that’s another story I guess.

Now I do agree with your overall point on wings, but the fact of the matter is, this team is structurally challenged and can’t beat the teams they need to beat as presently constructed with no legit big man. I’m sure Danny and Brad want to play one way, but the East is dictating a different strategy. Team is a dead duck in the playoffs without height.

So in other words, it seems you’re squarely on the side of punting this season, just for the sake of punting this season which makes no sense, rather than matchup with the teams you 100% need to match up with and go for a title run, with the cost being pretty negligible and having no real negative impact on the future of this franchise in any way.

Hmm. Okay. Seem pretty plastic to me....

We’d be losing a facilitator in Hayward. Gallinari is not that ( unless I’m misunderstanding.)

Uh yeah is he. Guess you haven’t seen Gallinari play much? His game is very similar to Hayward’s.

Gallo is a decent passer, can run the pick-and-roll and can drain threes, which forces his defender to step out of the paint to deal with him and opens up lanes for others. That’s the definition of a facilitator.

I have seen Gallinari play a bunch. I disagree that he’s a facilitator.

[zoyathedestroya]

I start to think ownership and Ainge doesn't even prioritize titles. Looks like the plan is to keep this team good/very good for as long as possible while not overspending. The rest is "whatever happens, happens". I guess it's good enough for normies and great for business. The usual comments about sustained "success", not looking for quick fixes etc. are pretty telling.

I don't expect any trades. Especially if it involves giving up picks.

Didn’t they trade or cut 4/5ths of the starting lineup of an ECF team like 2.5 years ago? Because they knew that team, while gritty and competitive, wasn’t going to be a legitimate contender?

I think now they’re seeing what JB/JT/Smart can become, which makes sense for now since you want those assets to mature.

That clearly falls under the "try not to overspend" category. Horford was looking for big longterm contract, Morris was also looking for bigger contract, same with Rozier. Baynes was traded to make room for Walker. Imo Walker really doesn't bring you closer to title than those 4 guys. But the moves made sense from money perspective.

IT era was pretty much the same. This current team isn't closer to the title than IT, Horford team. Maybe better at the top but clearly worse depth wise.

Ainge did go after KD, PG, and AD, so not prioritizing titles may be a bit of mis-characterization. Cs don't do much improvement on the margins though. Not a fan of our drafting outside of the lottery since 2013. We also don't usually make midseason trades to acquire playoff help.

We have three incoming first round draft picks. No real star to chase after on the horizon. Only four guys on the roster have at least 5 years of NBA experience. We have enough young guys to develop. It's not insane to expect at least one of those 1st round picks to be moved for veteran help and bench depth. Right?