MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened

[greekbuck34]

Giannis is "cruising" since Christmas to protect his injured back and he is probably going to lose some of his lead unless Harden and Luka keep losing. He just fakes driving-kick out, attracts double teams in the post, shoot jumpshots and play defense on limited minutes lately. It's still enough for the Bucks to win since we have easy schedule lately but he is not on his true MVP mode right now.

[Benedict_Boozer]

It will come down to recency bias and team record. If the Lakers get close or above the Bucks in record and Lebron wins the next head to head game, don’t be surprised to see the media anoint him MVP.


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[scrabbarista]

A) Gobert/Jokic should be in the poll over Kemba/Mitchell. Embiid should probably drop out of the next one at this point as well.

B) As of now Giannis/LeBron/Harden are my only serious candidates, and in that order. Anyone else is very much on the fringes.

morning of January 10th

13.9 Antetokounmpo
13.8 Harden
(Southern lawyer voice: "We got ou'selves a game!")
13.3 James
11.1 Doncic
11.1 Butler

10.9 Gobert
10.1 Jokic
9.6 Lillard
9.4 Davis
8.9 Leonard

Your formula is obviously great despite people complaining. It’s so close to what the actual vote should be and prior seasons are dead on too.

Still feel the same?

morning of January 11th

13.75 Harden
13.72 James
13.3 Antetokounmpo
11.7 Gobert
10.9 Doncic

10.8 Butler
10.1 Jokic
9.6 Lillard
9.3 Leonard
9.3 Davis

[scrabbarista]

James and Antetokounmpo kind of switched scores in a single night, with James going for 35/16/7 and +13 on 14 of 25 from the floor while Antetokounmpo had 13/10/5 and -8 on 4 of 9 from the floor.

It's funny how people talk about recency bias, but the anchoring effect can be even stronger for other people. For example, people are still talking about Jokic's poor, fat start when he's been playing like maybe the best player in the league over the last six weeks (it'd probably be between him, Harden, and James).

Anyways, the best thing about having a formula is that is doesn't see recency bias or an anchoring effect. It gives every minute of the season equal weight, no Jokic pun intended.

morning of January 11th

13.75 Harden
13.72 James
13.3 Antetokounmpo
11.7 Gobert
10.9 Doncic

10.8 Butler
10.1 Jokic
9.6 Lillard
9.3 Leonard
9.3 Davis

[scrabbarista]

Harden, James, Antetokounmpo, Doncic, Jokic, and Lillard are in action tonight. My rankings will be changing again.

[First Take]

Give it to the king.

[MrPerfect1]

easily LeBron right now

top seed in the better conference, by far the the most oncourt impact in the league, gargantuan RPM lead etc.

Bucks are just way too good without Giannis on the floor in comparison

What makes the West the Better Conference?

Also, the big difference between them last year vs this year (being out of the playoffs vs) being the #1 Seed on the West isn't Lebron.

What's the East Vs West record again? If you exclude the Bucks Top 6 teams of the West can possibly all be the 1st seed in the Eastern conference.

But.. Giannis is the MVP and I don't agree that East being worse takes away from him. His team beat the Lakers and they have the better record. So he'd MVP. He also has the better stats.

So Luka and Harden lose points because of their team record, Giannis loses points because the Bucks are ok when he doesn’t play. LeBron is the only candidate to have a top 5-6 teammate but he doesn’t lose points for it?

No. Giannis doesn't lose points. It's only Doncic and Harden who falter due the reasons listed. Also due to the H2H matchups Vs Lebron.
Giannis is still clearly the MVP. LeBron clearly no 2 again after faltering late December.

Last I saw, East vs West was 80-80 this year

[WHITE_HOT_HEAT]

What makes the West the Better Conference?

Also, the big difference between them last year vs this year (being out of the playoffs vs) being the #1 Seed on the West isn't Lebron.

What's the East Vs West record again? If you exclude the Bucks Top 6 teams of the West can possibly all be the 1st seed in the Eastern conference.

But.. Giannis is the MVP and I don't agree that East being worse takes away from him. His team beat the Lakers and they have the better record. So he'd MVP. He also has the better stats.

So Luka and Harden lose points because of their team record, Giannis loses points because the Bucks are ok when he doesn’t play. LeBron is the only candidate to have a top 5-6 teammate but he doesn’t lose points for it?

No. Giannis doesn't lose points. It's only Doncic and Harden who falter due the reasons listed. Also due to the H2H matchups Vs Lebron.
Giannis is still clearly the MVP. LeBron clearly no 2 again after faltering late December.

Last I saw, East vs West was 80-80 this year

That was about a month ago.
Check again.. It's become lopsided as expected.. Would've been horrible if GSW and POR weren't decimated by injuries.

[DutchManDanFan]

Last I saw, East vs West was 80-80 this year

That was about a month ago.
Check again.. It's become lopsided as expected.. Would've been horrible if GSW and POR weren't decimated by injuries.

Top 6 of the West played much more against bad teams of the East than top of East against bad teams from West.
And if KD was playing for the Nets...

[GSP]

Lakers lead on the 2 seed in the West is creeping close to the Bucks almost insurmountable lead against the East

prolly will be a lock by the end of the month

[Ballerhogger]

Giannis is blowing the blazers right now 32 points in the 3rd 17 boards and 5 ast yea... Rolling

[iggymcfrack]

Giannis

LeBron
Harden
Luka


Everyone else

Same as it’s been for a while.

[iggymcfrack]

James and Antetokounmpo kind of switched scores in a single night, with James going for 35/16/7 and +13 on 14 of 25 from the floor while Antetokounmpo had 13/10/5 and -8 on 4 of 9 from the floor.

It's funny how people talk about recency bias, but the anchoring effect can be even stronger for other people. For example, people are still talking about Jokic's poor, fat start when he's been playing like maybe the best player in the league over the last six weeks (it'd probably be between him, Harden, and James).

Anyways, the best thing about having a formula is that is doesn't see recency bias or an anchoring effect. It gives every minute of the season equal weight, no Jokic pun intended.

morning of January 11th

13.75 Harden
13.72 James
13.3 Antetokounmpo
11.7 Gobert
10.9 Doncic

10.8 Butler
10.1 Jokic
9.6 Lillard
9.3 Leonard
9.3 Davis

It is funny people talking about Jokic like there’s some big problem with him. He starts slow like this every single year. He’s already well ahead of where he was last year at this time. He’s definitely a top 10 player still. The competition at the top is pretty fierce though. He could be better than last year and still not be any higher than that.

[Baski]

Remember when that one team won 1-0. Man what a contest.

There have been some incredible 0-0 games. Football will always be bigger than Basketball and Handegg.

[Packbuckman]

Remember when that one team won 1-0. Man what a contest.

There have been some incredible 0-0 games. Football will always be bigger than Basketball and Handegg.

Not in the United States it never will be not even in the top 5 to me. My daughter use to play as a little girl and that was the only time I watched it. But each country to their own favorite sports it’s cool that you all love it so much. It is a lot bigger today than it’s ever been before here I will say.

[MrPerfect1]

Remember when that one team won 1-0. Man what a contest.

There have been some incredible 0-0 games. Football will always be bigger than Basketball and Handegg.

There is no such thing as an incredible 0-0 game (at least to a gigantic number of people in the US). There is a reason practically every sport changes rules year after year to promote offense and scoring. Also, I don't know a single person who enjoys watching a game end in a tie. "You know what would be cool, let's watch a game and hopefully there will be no winner. It will be just like they did not even play!"

[scrabbarista]

morning of January 12th

14.0 Antetokounmpo
13.7 Harden
13.6 James
11.7 Gobert
11.2 Doncic

10.8 Butler
10.2 Jokic
9.5 Lillard
9.3 Leonard
9.3 Davis

Things are still close enough that they can and are changing from game to game. For those thinking someone has a huge lead there will always be a confirmation bias when that player plays well - and when others play badly. The same confirmation bias will cause them to ignore great games by the players they think are behind and duds by the player they think is ahead. There's no massive lead here, unless it's the one held by the top three players.

Side note, Tatum jumped from 20th to 15th on his monster game last night.

[dygaction]

morning of January 12th

14.0 Antetokounmpo
13.7 Harden
13.6 James
11.7 Gobert
11.2 Doncic

10.8 Butler
10.2 Jokic
9.5 Lillard
9.3 Leonard
9.3 Davis

Things are still close enough that they can and are changing from game to game. For those thinking someone has a huge lead there will always be a confirmation bias when that player plays well - and when others play badly. The same confirmation bias will cause them to ignore great games by the players they think are behind and duds by the player they think is ahead. There's no massive lead here, unless it's the one held by the top three players.

Side note, Tatum jumped from 20th to 15th on his monster game last night.

What kind of fomula can you get Lillard into MVP discussion and rank above Leonard and Davis?

[The Lazy Potato]

morning of January 12th

14.0 Antetokounmpo
13.7 Harden
13.6 James
11.7 Gobert
11.2 Doncic

10.8 Butler
10.2 Jokic
9.5 Lillard
9.3 Leonard
9.3 Davis

Things are still close enough that they can and are changing from game to game. For those thinking someone has a huge lead there will always be a confirmation bias when that player plays well - and when others play badly. The same confirmation bias will cause them to ignore great games by the players they think are behind and duds by the player they think is ahead. There's no massive lead here, unless it's the one held by the top three players.

Side note, Tatum jumped from 20th to 15th on his monster game last night.

In the history of the NBA the voters so far almost every time gave the MVP title to the best player on the best team in the league. And that's will be the case this season too. So, there is one guy with a big lead on this and his name is Giannis. You like it or not it doesn't matter. Giannis will win it again. Mark my words.

[scrabbarista]

morning of January 12th

14.0 Antetokounmpo
13.7 Harden
13.6 James
11.7 Gobert
11.2 Doncic

10.8 Butler
10.2 Jokic
9.5 Lillard
9.3 Leonard
9.3 Davis

Things are still close enough that they can and are changing from game to game. For those thinking someone has a huge lead there will always be a confirmation bias when that player plays well - and when others play badly. The same confirmation bias will cause them to ignore great games by the players they think are behind and duds by the player they think is ahead. There's no massive lead here, unless it's the one held by the top three players.

Side note, Tatum jumped from 20th to 15th on his monster game last night.

What kind of fomula can you get Lillard into MVP discussion and rank above Leonard and Davis?

The kind that matches the last eight winners.