Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player

Dennis 37 · Post #381 » by **Dennis 37** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:01 am

What I saw that was most problematic, was the reluctance to shoot. If you are on the perimeter and have an open shot and don't take it, then ask to be subbed out. We never win when players refuse to shoot open shots.

Oakville_Raptor · Post #382 » by **Oakville_Raptor** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:07 am

At this point we just have to hope that Masai includes McCaw in any trade he makes by the deadline.

will · Post #383 » by **will** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:50 am

Dennis 37 wrote:What I saw that was most problematic, was the reluctance to shoot. If you are on the perimeter and have an open shot and don't take it, then ask to be subbed out. We never win when player refuse to shoot open shots.

Agreed.

When mans got the rock, he was just holding it looking around for someone to pass it to. There was absolutely no inclination from Patty McCaw yesterday to even put the ball on the floor. That is rather concerning.

maternal85 · Post #384 » by **maternal85** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:03 pm

ItsDanger wrote:TD was +3 vs Spurs yet had ZERO pts while McCaw was -18. I've noticed this trend but too lazy to dig stats out. Even when TD is not scoring he makes an impact somehow. Bench McCaw and give his minutes to TD.

How he gets more PT than TD is beyond me.

Lord_Zedd · Post #385 » by **Lord_Zedd** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:12 pm

maternal85 wrote:
And1Skip wrote:
Alfred wrote:Unlike a lot of bad players, Patrick McCaw is bad because he doesn't do anything. Most players are bad because they miss a lot of shots, make bad passes, make really obvious mistakes, etc. Patrick McCaw is like a ghost, he's playing nearly ****ing 30 MPG and he only takes 6 shots a game! He averages 2.5 assist and 2.5 rebounds! He's not doing anything out there!

If anyone remembers Michael Curry and his short tenure with the Raptors and KO's mad love for him, then McCaw is Michael Curry 2.0.

Curry was way better.

At this point, just like Kevin O'Neill putting Michael Curry to defend Shaq, I'm waiting for a similar moment with McCaw......

2019nbachamps · Post #386 » by **2019nbachamps** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:31 pm

will wrote:
Dennis 37 wrote:What I saw that was most problematic, was the reluctance to shoot. If you are on the perimeter and have an open shot and don't take it, then ask to be subbed out. We never win when player refuse to shoot open shots.

Agreed.

When mans got the rock, he was just holding it looking around for someone to pass it to. There was absolutely no inclination from Patty McCaw yesterday to even put the ball on the floor. That is rather concerning.

He's been reluctant to shoot all season.

The idea that McCaw is being showcased for a trade is unlikely. Nurse has been riding with McCaw all season even when our team has been somewhat healthy. Nurse sees something in McCaw that most of us don't.

Brinbe · Post #387 » by **Brinbe** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:46 pm

Twenty pages devoted to Patrick McCaw... Hilarious

geminiz · Post #388 » by **geminiz** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:03 pm

Twenty pages devoted to a player who's playing 30 min+ per game is not hilarious. The hilarious part is this player's skill is a giant turd.

Brinbe wrote:Twenty pages devoted to Patrick McCaw... Hilarious

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dTox · Post #389 » by **dTox** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:33 pm

And1Skip wrote:
Alfred wrote:Unlike a lot of bad players, Patrick McCaw is bad because he doesn't do anything. Most players are bad because they miss a lot of shots, make bad passes, make really obvious mistakes, etc. Patrick McCaw is like a ghost, he's playing nearly ****ing 30 MPG and he only takes 6 shots a game! He averages 2.5 assist and 2.5 rebounds! He's not doing anything out there!

If anyone remembers Michael Curry and his short tenure with the Raptors and KO's mad love for him, then McCaw is Michael Curry 2.0.

Ha, I thought I was the only one who had this sort of de ja vu

dTox wrote:This argument is eerily similar to the days of Kevin O'Neill, when he fell in love with playing Michael Curry, who brought nothing to the table and yet people were trying to make sense of it.

Trilogy · Post #390 » by **Trilogy** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:44 pm

-4.8 net rating. (Team overall is +5.1)
-2.22 RPM (428th of 458 players)
-4.5 RAPTOR (259th of 278 players, filter of minimum same minutes he has played)
-2.78 PIPM (445th of 482 players)

All those metrics he is by far the worst of any Raptors player who's a regular rotation player.

He's just bad and everything points to it. He should be desperately fighting to stay on the roster rather than be playing a prominent role. Before anyone goes to an appeal to authority argument again just remember even good teams make mistakes. Front office/coaching for the Raps is great overall, but they are completely wrong on this one.

Edit: Oh and for more pain, here's the guy he's in front of and stealing minutes from (Terence Davis).

+12.8 net rating (Team overall is +5.1)
+3.23 RPM (18th of 458 players)
+4.0 RAPTOR (31st of 278 players, used same filter as McCaw's)
+1.12 PIPM (73rd of 482 players)

What a joke.

tdotrep2 · Post #391 » by **tdotrep2** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:55 pm

we should of kept delon

RonaldArtest · Post #392 » by **RonaldArtest** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:59 pm

When you think of all the great players who never won a ring like Malone/Stockton, Barkley, Ewing....and this guy has 3 of them. Dude must’ve been a saint in his past life.

RonaldArtest · Post #393 » by **RonaldArtest** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:00 pm

tdotrep2 wrote:we should of kept delon

Instead of Gasol?

Johnny Bball · Post #394 » by **Johnny Bball** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:03 pm

This narrative has reached epic levels of ridiculous when he’s now single handedly responsible for losing the Spurs game :lol:

I’m fully expecting people here to let me know McCaw has shot down a Ukrainian jetliner.

Danny1616 · Post #395 » by **Danny1616** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:05 pm

I like McCaw, but I also don't understand why Nurse treats him like he's a 5 year veteran who has already accomplished a lot.

McCaw played a handful of games last season for us before getting hurt and barely played during the playoffs. I really don't know what he did to deserve being so high on the teams totem pole.

Johnny Bball · Post #396 » by **Johnny Bball** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:20 pm

Danny1616 wrote:I like McCaw, but I also don't understand why Nurse treats him like he's a 5 year veteran who has already accomplished a lot.

McCaw played a handful of games last season for us before getting hurt and barely played during the playoffs. I really don't know what he did to deserve being so high on the teams totem pole.

Huh? He’s what.. the ninth guy ?..and tenth guy some nights? Starters, Powell or FVV, Ibaka, RHJ, then after that when everyone healthy it’s going to start to depend more on who we are playing. And he is a 4 year vet.

Psubs · Post #397 » by **Psubs** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:28 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:I like McCaw, but I also don't understand why Nurse treats him like he's a 5 year veteran who has already accomplished a lot.

McCaw played a handful of games last season for us before getting hurt and barely played during the playoffs. I really don't know what he did to deserve being so high on the teams totem pole.

Huh? He’s what.. the ninth guy ?..and tenth guy some nights? Starters, Powell or FVV, Ibaka, RHJ, then after that when everyone healthy it’s going to start to depend more on who we are playing. And he is a 4 year vet.

He's a 3 year player who missed most of 1 season with an injury.

Johnny Bball · Post #398 » by **Johnny Bball** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:33 pm

Psubs wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:I like McCaw, but I also don't understand why Nurse treats him like he's a 5 year veteran who has already accomplished a lot.

McCaw played a handful of games last season for us before getting hurt and barely played during the playoffs. I really don't know what he did to deserve being so high on the teams totem pole.

Huh? He’s what.. the ninth guy ?..and tenth guy some nights? Starters, Powell or FVV, Ibaka, RHJ, then after that when everyone healthy it’s going to start to depend more on who we are playing. And he is a 4 year vet.

He's a 3 year player who missed most of 1 season with an injury.

I’m not arguing this since it’s his 4th year. That’s as 100% factual as water being wet. And it really is inconsequential.

Psubs · Post #399 » by **Psubs** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:46 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Huh? He’s what.. the ninth guy ?..and tenth guy some nights? Starters, Powell or FVV, Ibaka, RHJ, then after that when everyone healthy it’s going to start to depend more on who we are playing. And he is a 4 year vet.

He's a 3 year player who missed most of 1 season with an injury.

I’m not arguing this since it’s his 4th year. That’s as 100% factual as water being wet. And it really is inconsequential.

Well the above poster mentioned 5 year vet and you brought up 4 year vet.

To me 4 year vet means that you have 4 years of service under your belt. Also if you're still within years similar to a 1st round rookie contract, would a player be considered a vet?

Anyways, I think we give the Warriors too much credit as they did find Boucher. Perhaps McCaw is just one of their misses.

Danny1616 · Post #400 » by **Danny1616** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:47 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Huh? He’s what.. the ninth guy ?..and tenth guy some nights? Starters, Powell or FVV, Ibaka, RHJ, then after that when everyone healthy it’s going to start to depend more on who we are playing. And he is a 4 year vet.

He's a 3 year player who missed most of 1 season with an injury.

I’m not arguing this since it’s his 4th year. That’s as 100% factual as water being wet. And it really is inconsequential.

All I'm saying is that he hasn't done much to deserve the benefit of the doubt or a long leash.

McCaw played only a few games before getting hurt and showed decent play, but it wasn't enough.

McCaw got hurt early this season and both TD and Boucher played great basketball for the first 30 games when they got legitimate playing time.

To have McCaw getting playing time over both of those guys is astonishing to me because he hasn't done much to prove that he should be above them in the rotation.