NBA draft, who would you like for Celts to pick?

[BostonCouchGM]

Danny has drafted 1 all star in his almost 20 years as gm. He's very good at cap management and generally wins trades. But he has a really unimpressive eye for talent.

This might need to be updated in the future... like in a few weeks. There are at least two future all star draftees on the roster right now. Maybe or maybe not this season, but soon.


Unrelated to that... On a previous subject in this thread, for anyone-

Take a look at any other franchise over the same period of time that Ainge has run the Celtics.
List their draft picks.
Look at the misses.
That's what the draft is.


Retrospective drafting is easy half a season into players' first years. It's not so easy on draft day. That's true for every GM in the history of the league.

Tatum yes, but in an all-time loaded draft it's not hard to hit on #3 picks. Jaylen is only laughably mentioned as an all-star this season due to injuries to Oladipo, Kyrie, and KD plus Kawhi left the East. There's very little chance he makes the team, making three players from the Celtics, when there are better candidates from teams that aren't represented. And going forward? Good luck with everyone back healthy, young players developing, and elite players getting drafted. He's just not that good.

What other inept G.M.s do is irrelevant. Who is on the board when our pick comes up and who does Danny choose. I don't care that the players might go higher in a redraft if there were better player(s) taken after our picks which is the case with most of Danny's drafts since the Big Three. I can't even believe people defend his drafting with a straight face or defend him in general. We're 15 years into his regime and he's brought one championship that he owes to McHale for gifting us MVP candidate KG. Ainge is indefensible at this point

[Fencer reregistered]

We're 15 years into his regime and he's brought one championship that he owes to McHale for gifting us MVP candidate KG. Ainge is indefensible at this point

Since Ainge has been GM, which teams have been more successful?
-- San Antonio
-- Miami
-- Golden State
-- Cleveland
-- Lakers

Those five have for sure. I'm struggling to think of any other team, however, that can match the Celtics (one championship, another Finals appearance, and three other appearances in the conference finals). And of the five teams I listed, four drafted multiple-season MVPs while the fifth had Wade, who turned out to be an even better recruiter (and perhaps also better player) than Paul Pierce.

And by the way, Duncan, Wade, Lebron and Kobe were all acquired either before or within weeks of Ainge rejoining the Celtics. Only Golden State built a whole championship team during the Ainge era, unless you count Cleveland's reacquisition of Lebron.

So other than the horrid failure to take the Giannis gamble, what exactly is there to be upset with Ainge about?

[GoGreen]

Danny has drafted 1 all star in his almost 20 years as gm. He's very good at cap management and generally wins trades. But he has a really unimpressive eye for talent.

This might need to be updated in the future... like in a few weeks. There are at least two future all star draftees on the roster right now. Maybe or maybe not this season, but soon.


Unrelated to that... On a previous subject in this thread, for anyone-

Take a look at any other franchise over the same period of time that Ainge has run the Celtics.
List their draft picks.
Look at the misses.
That's what the draft is.


Retrospective drafting is easy half a season into players' first years. It's not so easy on draft day. That's true for every GM in the history of the league.

Tatum yes, but in an all-time loaded draft it's not hard to hit on #3 picks. Jaylen is only laughably mentioned as an all-star this season due to injuries to Oladipo, Kyrie, and KD plus Kawhi left the East. There's very little chance he makes the team, making three players from the Celtics, when there are better candidates from teams that aren't represented. And going forward? Good luck with everyone back healthy, young players developing, and elite players getting drafted. He's just not that good.

What other inept G.M.s do is irrelevant. Who is on the board when our pick comes up and who does Danny choose. I don't care that the players might go higher in a redraft if there were better player(s) taken after our picks which is the case with most of Danny's drafts since the Big Three. I can't even believe people defend his drafting with a straight face or defend him in general. We're 15 years into his regime and he's brought one championship that he owes to McHale for gifting us MVP candidate KG. Ainge is indefensible at this point

There's a lot about Danny to like, but you do speak a lot of truth here. Specifically the KG trade. He still has his job here thanks to it, and I don't think it's a coincidence that it was McHale pulling the trigger there.

We might even have another ring had he not made that dumb Perk trade.

He HAS been a good GM, though. I just think his eye for talent - and specifically this odd obsession with undersized guards and forwards -is really flawed, and those who yell at the top of their lungs to defend that part of his resume need to chill cause it's really not that impressive considering how long he's been here.

[captain green]

Yeah I'm really intrigued by N'Faly Dante as well. I think he has big-time upside, and should be available anywhere from 10-14, which is where i expect the pick to fall.

Who would you compare him to lowest to highest?

[Celtics_History_Lesson]

Whatever we do don’t let Austin Ainge in the draft room. Celts need to hire someone who knows how to evaluate players.

Very sad, hard to believe that in this age and day there are people criticizing Austin Ainge.


After all he has been through, everything he has overcome, people will actually stoop to saying bad things about Austin Ainge?


The mind is boggled.

[Bleeding Green]

Danny has drafted 1 all star in his almost 20 years as gm. He's very good at cap management and generally wins trades. But he has a really unimpressive eye for talent.

This might need to be updated in the future... like in a few weeks. There are at least two future all star draftees on the roster right now. Maybe or maybe not this season, but soon.


Unrelated to that... On a previous subject in this thread, for anyone-

Take a look at any other franchise over the same period of time that Ainge has run the Celtics.
List their draft picks.
Look at the misses.
That's what the draft is.


Retrospective drafting is easy half a season into players' first years. It's not so easy on draft day. That's true for every GM in the history of the league.

Tatum yes, but in an all-time loaded draft it's not hard to hit on #3 picks. Jaylen is only laughably mentioned as an all-star this season due to injuries to Oladipo, Kyrie, and KD plus Kawhi left the East. There's very little chance he makes the team, making three players from the Celtics, when there are better candidates from teams that aren't represented. And going forward? Good luck with everyone back healthy, young players developing, and elite players getting drafted. He's just not that good.

What other inept G.M.s do is irrelevant. Who is on the board when our pick comes up and who does Danny choose. I don't care that the players might go higher in a redraft if there were better player(s) taken after our picks which is the case with most of Danny's drafts since the Big Three. I can't even believe people defend his drafting with a straight face or defend him in general. We're 15 years into his regime and he's brought one championship that he owes to McHale for gifting us MVP candidate KG. Ainge is indefensible at this point

These are all-time loaded drafts now? What if Ainge just did the easy thing and drafted Fultz and Kris Dunn? In the 2017 lottery there are like six relative busts alone. Ball, Fultz, Ntilikina, DSJ, Monk, Josh Jackson. And in 2016, there is Bender, Dunn, Chriss, Maker, Prince, Papagiannis. Half the lottery in each year is full of busts or below-average players. If these are all-time loaded drafts from your perspective, I'd like to see what you think of other drafts.

Look at these drafts. Who drafted after Tatum is definitively better than him? Same with Brown. I count Siakam as the only better player drafted later, and he went at 27, so if you think it's realistic to have drafted him at 3, then I dunno what to say. Ainge turned Fultz into Tatum+Langford, this could be an all-time steal (up there with the Brooklyn trade, whoever made that one) if Langford lives up to his pre-freshman hype. As it is now, it's just maybe the best trade in the last five years.

[Kalela]

What I would like to see Ainge do is use all picks to draft centers and power forwards with size and athleticism in the hopes one of them works out or trade all the picks for either future picks or established players.

[Curmudgeon]

I don't trust any of the mock drafts, and they are all over the place anyway. I need to watch more college and European basketball over the next few months.

[Taget]

1st round picks the last 10 years :

Avery Bradley : undersized, terrible shooter when drafted.
JaJuan Johnson (via trade) : one terrible season.
Fab Melo : bust. RIP
Jared Sullinger : undersized and overweight PF.
James Young : bust
Marcus Smart : terrible shooter
RJ Hunter : great cheerleader
Terry Rozier : terrible shooter
Guerschon Yabusele : undersized and overweight PF. Best towel waver EVER !
Jaylen Brown : very good player. Terrible shooter when drafted.
Jayson Tatum : very good player.
Robert Williams : low IQ BB, can't stay healthy.
Grant Williams : undersized PF, bad shooter.
Romeo Langford : jury still out

Spoiler:

Forgetting the worst of the undersized guards who can't shoot, Carsen Edwards.

Ouch! That one hurt. I gotta stop choosing my binky pre-season.

[FlatearthZorro]

I know it's early, but so what. It's looking like we are going to have, barring a trade, 3 firsts and 1 second. Waters will have a contract with the main team next tear, which will allow the 2nd rounder to go to a 2 way. If we keep all the picks, who would you like for us to pick? At this time we have the 15, 26, 30 and 46. I would like to see:

15 Carey 6'10 C from Duke
26 Nwora 6'8 SF from Louisville
30 Tillie 6'10 PF from Gonzaga
46 Azbukie 7'0 C rom Kansas

As you see I think we need some height. I don't have any confidence in Poirier, R. Williams is just 6'8, Theis is just 6'8, G. Williams is just 6'6 and Kanter may not even be here next season. I doubt we will keep all 3 firsts, but if we do the one I really want, and it pains me to say this being a Carolina fan, is Carey from Duke and Azbukie from Kansas. Trade the other 2 firsts to improve the bench if you can.

Trade 15, 26, 46 for 10? Or all 4 for like maybe 7-8?

[Red2]

I love Danny.. best GM the C's have ever had other than Red. No one will ever top Red. The Tatum Fultz trade was Red-like. Up there with trading Joe Barry Carroll for Parrish and McHale. Having said that Danny has missed and struck out on a lot of guys. I really think we need a proven talent evaluator to balance out the tendency that Danny and Austin have to draft guards and wings. Maybe McHale could join us a consultant and help evaluate some bigs. There's no question we need to get bigger but that's nothing new and to me that has been one of the infuriating things about Danny's drafts. Last year was classic Danny. 4 draft picks and the biggest guy is 6.6- and we knew we were losing Horford, baynes, Morris etc and we still drafted 4 small guys. I still think Edwards will develop and maybe langford as well and Williams and Waters seem like serviceable players but Brandon Clarke was out there and Thybule was out there and we passed on both of them. Maybe Romeo turns into a great player and is the steal of the draft but please Dann y, I'm begging you, get us some big guys.

[Bleeding Green]

1st round picks the last 10 years :

Avery Bradley : undersized, terrible shooter when drafted.
JaJuan Johnson (via trade) : one terrible season.
Fab Melo : bust. RIP
Jared Sullinger : undersized and overweight PF.
James Young : bust
Marcus Smart : terrible shooter
RJ Hunter : great cheerleader
Terry Rozier : terrible shooter
Guerschon Yabusele : undersized and overweight PF. Best towel waver EVER !
Jaylen Brown : very good player. Terrible shooter when drafted.
Jayson Tatum : very good player.
Robert Williams : low IQ BB, can't stay healthy.
Grant Williams : undersized PF, bad shooter.
Romeo Langford : jury still out

Spoiler:

Forgetting the worst of the undersized guards who can't shoot, Carsen Edwards.

Ouch! That one hurt. I gotta stop choosing my binky pre-season.

He shot really well in college, in Summer League, in preseason and now he's missed like a dozen shots in the NBA so he can't shoot?

[OldCeltics]

no one, we need quality not quantity, trade the picks

[Marvel]

Forgetting the worst of the undersized guards who can't shoot, Carsen Edwards.

Ouch! That one hurt. I gotta stop choosing my binky pre-season.

He shot really well in college, in Summer League, in preseason and now he's missed like a dozen shots in the NBA so he can't shoot?

A dozen? No. No one cares about SL or pre season lol.

[Celts17Pride]

5’9” point guard

[chakdaddy]

This might need to be updated in the future... like in a few weeks. There are at least two future all star draftees on the roster right now. Maybe or maybe not this season, but soon.


Unrelated to that... On a previous subject in this thread, for anyone-

Take a look at any other franchise over the same period of time that Ainge has run the Celtics.
List their draft picks.
Look at the misses.
That's what the draft is.


Retrospective drafting is easy half a season into players' first years. It's not so easy on draft day. That's true for every GM in the history of the league.

Tatum yes, but in an all-time loaded draft it's not hard to hit on #3 picks. Jaylen is only laughably mentioned as an all-star this season due to injuries to Oladipo, Kyrie, and KD plus Kawhi left the East. There's very little chance he makes the team, making three players from the Celtics, when there are better candidates from teams that aren't represented. And going forward? Good luck with everyone back healthy, young players developing, and elite players getting drafted. He's just not that good.

What other inept G.M.s do is irrelevant. Who is on the board when our pick comes up and who does Danny choose. I don't care that the players might go higher in a redraft if there were better player(s) taken after our picks which is the case with most of Danny's drafts since the Big Three. I can't even believe people defend his drafting with a straight face or defend him in general. We're 15 years into his regime and he's brought one championship that he owes to McHale for gifting us MVP candidate KG. Ainge is indefensible at this point

There's a lot about Danny to like, but you do speak a lot of truth here. Specifically the KG trade. He still has his job here thanks to it, and I don't think it's a coincidence that it was McHale pulling the trigger there.

We might even have another ring had he not made that dumb Perk trade.

He HAS been a good GM, though. I just think his eye for talent - and specifically this odd obsession with undersized guards and forwards -is really flawed, and those who yell at the top of their lungs to defend that part of his resume need to chill cause it's really not that impressive considering how long he's been here.

Do you guys not remember 2007 Al Jefferson? What's a good 2020 comp value wise? Myles Turner?

What other offers were out there? 48 minute extrapolation superstar Andris Biedrins?

[chakdaddy]

We're 15 years into his regime and he's brought one championship that he owes to McHale for gifting us MVP candidate KG. Ainge is indefensible at this point

Since Ainge has been GM, which teams have been more successful?
-- San Antonio
-- Miami
-- Golden State
-- Cleveland
-- Lakers

Those five have for sure. I'm struggling to think of any other team, however, that can match the Celtics (one championship, another Finals appearance, and three other appearances in the conference finals). And of the five teams I listed, four drafted multiple-season MVPs while the fifth had Wade, who turned out to be an even better recruiter (and perhaps also better player) than Paul Pierce.

And by the way, Duncan, Wade, Lebron and Kobe were all acquired either before or within weeks of Ainge rejoining the Celtics. Only Golden State built a whole championship team during the Ainge era, unless you count Cleveland's reacquisition of Lebron.

So other than the horrid failure to take the Giannis gamble, what exactly is there to be upset with Ainge about?

DeAndre Jordan

[Fencer reregistered]

We're 15 years into his regime and he's brought one championship that he owes to McHale for gifting us MVP candidate KG. Ainge is indefensible at this point

Since Ainge has been GM, which teams have been more successful?
-- San Antonio
-- Miami
-- Golden State
-- Cleveland
-- Lakers

Those five have for sure. I'm struggling to think of any other team, however, that can match the Celtics (one championship, another Finals appearance, and three other appearances in the conference finals). And of the five teams I listed, four drafted multiple-season MVPs while the fifth had Wade, who turned out to be an even better recruiter (and perhaps also better player) than Paul Pierce.

And by the way, Duncan, Wade, Lebron and Kobe were all acquired either before or within weeks of Ainge rejoining the Celtics. Only Golden State built a whole championship team during the Ainge era, unless you count Cleveland's reacquisition of Lebron.

So other than the horrid failure to take the Giannis gamble, what exactly is there to be upset with Ainge about?

DeAndre Jordan

How so? Center was one of the Celtics' two youngest positions then. How is not drafting Jordan (or Asik) more than a routine draft miss?

[LewisnotMiller]

The Nuggest are an exception it seems, Raptors too.

Nuggets picks are gold. Not only did Denver make some fine choices, but I believe Utah's two great later choices -- Gobert and Mitchell -- were on trade picks from Denver.

You get a +1 purely for the gold Nuggets pun.

[GuyClinch]

R. Williams BBIQ is not low. He makes pretty good reads - he isn't Theis yet but its not low. He has been injured alot and is not a skilled outside shooter - that's holding him back.