Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player

[Johnny Bball]

He's a 3 year player who missed most of 1 season with an injury.

I’m not arguing this since it’s his 4th year. That’s as 100% factual as water being wet. And it really is inconsequential.

All I'm saying is that he hasn't done much to deserve the benefit of the doubt or a long leash.

McCaw played only a few games before getting hurt and showed decent play, but it wasn't enough.

McCaw got hurt early this season and both TD and Boucher played great basketball for the first 30 games when they got legitimate playing time.

To have McCaw getting playing time over both of those guys is astonishing to me because he hasn't done much to prove that he should be above them in the rotation.

McCaw had one thing over everyone else. He was healthy. That’s all.

Even with Powell back his minutes were largely cut, when FVV comes back it happens again. Unless by some miracle he plays amazing, or injuries get worse, it goes back to status quo of less than 15 minutes.

And last night... spurs play three guards and played small with Gay at the five, so he was going to see more than Boucher. At that point, Boucher had four fouls and was rock bottomed out. TD was just bad.

[raptorstime]

-4.8 net rating. (Team overall is +5.1)
-2.22 RPM (428th of 458 players)
-4.5 RAPTOR (259th of 278 players, filter of minimum same minutes he has played)
-2.78 PIPM (445th of 482 players)

All those metrics he is by far the worst of any Raptors player who's a regular rotation player.

He's just bad and everything points to it. He should be desperately fighting to stay on the roster rather than be playing a prominent role. Before anyone goes to an appeal to authority argument again just remember even good teams make mistakes. Front office/coaching for the Raps is great overall, but they are completely wrong on this one.

Edit: Oh and for more pain, here's the guy he's in front of and stealing minutes from (Terence Davis).

+12.8 net rating (Team overall is +5.1)
+3.23 RPM (18th of 458 players)
+4.0 RAPTOR (31st of 278 players, used same filter as McCaw's)
+1.12 PIPM (73rd of 482 players)

What a joke.

my god this is awful, worse than i originally thought

[And1Skip]

Unlike a lot of bad players, Patrick McCaw is bad because he doesn't do anything. Most players are bad because they miss a lot of shots, make bad passes, make really obvious mistakes, etc. Patrick McCaw is like a ghost, he's playing nearly ****ing 30 MPG and he only takes 6 shots a game! He averages 2.5 assist and 2.5 rebounds! He's not doing anything out there!

If anyone remembers Michael Curry and his short tenure with the Raptors and KO's mad love for him, then McCaw is Michael Curry 2.0.

Ha, I thought I was the only one who had this sort of de ja vu

This argument is eerily similar to the days of Kevin O'Neill, when he fell in love with playing Michael Curry, who brought nothing to the table and yet people were trying to make sense of it.

Funny someone else reminded me above that yes, KO did have Curry defend Shaq one time. I just remembered Curry would start, play 30 mins, and end up with a stat line of 2 pts, 2 rebs, 1 ast. Then you would see Curry on the sidelines barking like an assistant coach. I remember one game he convinced KO to run a end of game last shot play for VC called a "triangle and 2" (I believe it worked). But it was really odd how he kept getting playing time. It even got Chuck Swirsky and Leo commend Curry for his "basketball IQ" a lot but to us fans, we were left feeling "WTF??". Looking at Curry's career stats and career starts, it seems he had a nice prolonged career doing nothing.

[LoveMyRaps]

The only thing that makes sense is that we're playing him so he can fetch us a second rounder. So we'd practically be getting a draft pick for free.
I'm pretty confident that he won't be on this team past the trade deadline.
If he is... then RIP. We're f***ed.

I hate this guy so much. It's sickening. One of the worst players in the NBA and he's either starting or leading the bench in minutes.
I just don't get it. He can't do anything right. Sucks on offense, sucks on defense. The sad thing is that he's in his prime, it's not even like a 20 year old prospect or something. This is the best version of him... WTF... WHAT DO YOU SEE IN THIS SCRAWNY SCRUB NICK?????

[goinrogue]

We better be showcasing him for a trade cause if Nick is just playing him cause he’s blind and stubborn that’s a concern.

[Yeezus_]

One of the best NBA executives paid McCaw $4M and one of the best coaches in the league plays McCaw regular minutes. Clearly they believe he’s an NBA player and want to develop him.

But im sure you guys know better.

Nobody is perfect.

No one would keep playing a player with this huge of a leash without him doing something the coaching staff/management likes.

[duppyy]

One of the best NBA executives paid McCaw $4M and one of the best coaches in the league plays McCaw regular minutes. Clearly they believe he’s an NBA player and want to develop him.

But im sure you guys know better.

Nobody is perfect.

No one would keep playing a player with this huge of a leash without him doing something the coaching staff/management likes.

Does saying that make you feel better about the team giving meaningful minutes to a scrub?

[Basketball_Jones]

Michael Curry 2.0. Except he doesn’t have Leo over exaggerating his impact like he’s any good. I like Leo nowadays

[Dalek]

Nurse obviously thinks highly of McCaw but he has challenged him to be more impactful on court. He has had good and bad games.

I think people are overreacting at this point. McCaw fills a gap where Powell is playing on a minute restriction and FVV is out.

Yesterday he played a few more minutes than Davis which is not a big deal since both were not impactful.

The issue the Nurse has to figure out is making sure Lowry is with the bench plus one of these players. The bench needs KLow and having both McCaw and Davis in the backcourt is a bit of a question mark. I would actually like all three to play off the bench when FVV gets back, but I may be in a minority there.

[Yeezus_]

Nobody is perfect.

No one would keep playing a player with this huge of a leash without him doing something the coaching staff/management likes.

Does saying that make you feel better about the team giving meaningful minutes to a scrub?

lol just because the results aren't there yet doesn't mean it never will be. Growth isn't always linear. Raptors are clearly prioritizing his development and see something there, whether McCaw ever gets there is another question. I'm not questioning one of the best coaches and President's in the league for a decision they make with 100x the information we have.

Anyways, enjoy being heated while you watch the scrub play for 25 minutes a night. I guess you can come here and vent "to make yourself feel better" though.

[missionman]

The one argument i hate about McCaw is that he takes care of the ball as a 3rd pg. The guy brings the ball up the court after a made basket and makes almost every pass on the perimeter. You don't need to be an NBA player to do those things. I could do those things.

[disoblige]

Nurse obviously thinks highly of McCaw but he has challenged him to be more impactful on court. He has had good and bad games.

Or may be the we made a promise to give him minutes before signing him.

[Clay Davis]

The one argument i hate about McCaw is that he takes care of the ball as a 3rd pg. The guy brings the ball up the court after a made basket and makes almost every pass on the perimeter. You don't need to be an NBA player to do those things. I could do those things.

What do you do when 6 foot 7 world class athletes start running at you?

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[dalton749]

The one argument i hate about McCaw is that he takes care of the ball as a 3rd pg. The guy brings the ball up the court after a made basket and makes almost every pass on the perimeter. You don't need to be an NBA player to do those things. I could do those things.

Right. If there were 5 McCaw’s out there they’d protect the ball so hard that they’d just go home with it because nobody would be willing to drive or shoot. Dude is ass and provides pretty well nothing if teams aren’t daring him to shot on a night where they happen to go in.

[Alfred]

Nurse obviously thinks highly of McCaw but he has challenged him to be more impactful on court. He has had good and bad games.

I think people are overreacting at this point. McCaw fills a gap where Powell is playing on a minute restriction and FVV is out.

Yesterday he played a few more minutes than Davis which is not a big deal since both were not impactful.

The issue the Nurse has to figure out is making sure Lowry is with the bench plus one of these players. The bench needs KLow and having both McCaw and Davis in the backcourt is a bit of a question mark. I would actually like all three to play off the bench when FVV gets back, but I may be in a minority there.

He has literally been one of the worst players in the league according to almost all advanced stats. I would take my chances with Shamorie Ponds at this point.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

It could be that nurse is showcasing reasons that masai needs to trade him simply to get him off the team. I'm not sure how easy he'll be to move, but there has to be a nonrotational crappy player wit ha similar contract to trade for. That said I don't think masai would make that move, it's similar idea to what billy beane (brad pitt) did in the moneyball movie though.

[2019nbachamps]

It could be that nurse is showcasing reasons that masai needs to trade him simply to get him off the team. I'm not sure how easy he'll be to move, but there has to be a nonrotational crappy player wit ha similar contract to trade for. That said I don't think masai would make that move, it's similar idea to what billy beane (brad pitt) did in the moneyball movie though.

I find it hard to believe McCaw needs 35 MPG to be showcased. Also, his contract is manageable enough as is to be included as a filler in any deal. Only explanation in my opinion is Nurse rates him highly as a player.

[goinrogue]

It could be that nurse is showcasing reasons that masai needs to trade him simply to get him off the team. I'm not sure how easy he'll be to move, but there has to be a nonrotational crappy player wit ha similar contract to trade for. That said I don't think masai would make that move, it's similar idea to what billy beane (brad pitt) did in the moneyball movie though.

I find it hard to believe McCaw needs 35 MPG to be showcased. Also, his contract is manageable enough as is to be included as a filler in any deal. Only explanation in my opinion is Nurse rates him highly as a player.

Yeah that makes no sense. Nick thinks Stanley Johnson sucks so he benches him. Playing McCaw is literally costing us games. It’s made me go from thinking nick is a great coach to thinking he’s simply ok.

[team edward]

It could be that nurse is showcasing reasons that masai needs to trade him simply to get him off the team. I'm not sure how easy he'll be to move, but there has to be a nonrotational crappy player wit ha similar contract to trade for. That said I don't think masai would make that move, it's similar idea to what billy beane (brad pitt) did in the moneyball movie though.

I find it hard to believe McCaw needs 35 MPG to be showcased. Also, his contract is manageable enough as is to be included as a filler in any deal. Only explanation in my opinion is Nurse rates him highly as a player.

Yeah that makes no sense. Nick thinks Stanley Johnson sucks so he benches him. Playing McCaw is literally costing us games. It’s made me go from thinking nick is a great coach to thinking he’s simply ok.

Johnson does suck.

"costing us games" gmab. Like it's McCaw's fault that a basketball game has 48 minutes and Lowry can't play all of them.

When Fred is back and TD2 is more consistent, then McCaw's minutes will decline.

[TdotRap4Lyfe]

I don't mind McCaw he is just played too much.