Sixers are worse without Embiid (duh) but wait there's more

[SHAQ32]

This is where Simmons should start upping his PPG and RPG significantly right?

No, this is where Simmons is still not attempting any 3's.

[PennSports]

Russell and GS unprotected 1st pick this year starting to sound like it makes some sense...

Trading Simmons to try and appease this **** roster is exactly what i would expect from the worst front office in the league.

[Wilfried]

Fire Brown, trade Simmons for a legit 2nd scoring option that can also space the floor and PHI will be deadly.

maybe they can do that Simmons trade without firing Brown?

[Wilfried]

The chances the Sixers make some drastic in season move are almost nil.

Now, if they go out in the 2nd round again...

I'm pretty sure they will not make a lot of changes either this season. One of the things that kept them out of the CF last season was the lack of continuity.

If they can fight through their struggles, they could become dangerous.

Also, even if they finish 4th or 5th, I still feel that in the play-offs (and with a healthy Joel), none of the other EC-teams match up against them.

Not Milwaukee, not Boston (3-0 for Philly this season). Not Toronto or Miami because they lack the star power.
Maybe Indiana? Maybe.

[deneem4]

The chances the Sixers make some drastic in season move are almost nil.

Now, if they go out in the 2nd round again...

I'm pretty sure they will not make a lot of changes either this season. One of the things that kept them out of the CF last season was the lack of continuity.

If they can fight through their struggles, they could become dangerous.

Also, even if they finish 4th or 5th, I still feel that in the play-offs (and with a healthy Joel), none of the other EC-teams match up against them.

Not Milwaukee, not Boston (3-0 for Philly this season). Not Toronto or Miami because they lack the star power.
Maybe Indiana? Maybe.

I agree except the heat is a team philly would not want to see in the playoffs...
Especially if they’re both healthy

[ElectricMayhem]

Give the keys to Joerger or SVG and see what happens. Nothing to lose.

[Pachinko_]

The chances the Sixers make some drastic in season move are almost nil.

Now, if they go out in the 2nd round again...

Even the 1st round will be a struggle, Raps/Heat are no joke

[ITYSL]

I am not saying you are wrong, but what do you think he should do as a coach on offense with this roster? Whenever Simmons, Horford and Embiid are on the floor together, they are going to be great on defense but inevitably struggle on offense. It's just the way it is, I am not sure what the solution could be. Here are their shot charts in 2019 and 2020:



Simmons is actually taking more of his shots inside 10 feet, while both Horford and Embiid are taking more of their shots outside of 10 feet and fewer inside 10 feet. There's no space on offense when all three of them are on the floor, so Embiid and Horford get pulled out to the 3pt line when they should be operating most often in the paint.

[NCHeels2008]

yea Brown has got to go, I think the roster construction is coherent enough they should be winning games.

[Karate Diop]

Brown isn't a good coach it's as simple as that...

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[swe_suns]

New season, same old story... 21-10 (56-win pace) with Embiid and 4-6 (33-win pace) without Embiid. I could use this as more material to prop up my lord and savior, but I'm gonna take a different route this time: Brett Brown has got to go.

If Scott freaking Brooks can trot out the G League Wizards and look competitive, there should be no reason Brown can't salvage mediocrity (at a minimum) with Simmons/J Rich/Tobias/Horford. This isn't a new phenomenon or reactionary take. It was the same story last year going 8-10 with Simmons/Redick/Butler/Tobias.

Even when Embiid plays, we're consistently awful out of timeouts and have no sense of structure within the offense. How can we not blame the coach knowing all that we know? I like the guy- I really do- but enough is enough. He had to know his ass was on the line when the Sixers committed to win-now mode. My only worry is that his rapport with the FO will cloud their judgement and prevent them from making the right decision.

To answer the question that will inevitably arise: yes, I'm willing to gamble on an unproven coach in the event of a Brown firing. I get that it's slim pickens right now when it comes to known commodities, but it's better to take a risk on someone new than cling to a losing formula.

How about starting by blaming the PG that practises his jumpshot during pregame and off season but refuses to shoot even if his life would depend on it? Never seen a more pathetic NBA player. Crippling his team on offense with 4v5.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I am not saying you are wrong, but what do you think he should do as a coach on offense with this roster? Whenever Simmons, Horford and Embiid are on the floor together, they are going to be great on defense but inevitably struggle on offense. It's just the way it is, I am not sure what the solution could be. Here are their shot charts in 2019 and 2020:



Simmons is actually taking more of his shots inside 10 feet, while both Horford and Embiid are taking more of their shots outside of 10 feet and fewer inside 10 feet. There's no space on offense when all three of them are on the floor, so Embiid and Horford get pulled out to the 3pt line when they should be operating most often in the paint.

The solution would be Simmons having an actual offensive game in the halfcourt, just think about the same exact roster but with Simmons being able to make a 15 foot shot off the dribble, actually being able to play in the PnR and willing to take a 3 pointer on Westbrook volume/percentages. Everyone knows he's the problem, just last night they were trying to post up Horford in the 4th, Simmons curled around the guy trying to throw the post entry and ran past Horford with his man defending him only to try and post up behind Horford before sort of clearing out of the paint to the other block but now his defender was basically playing a zone behind Horford's defender. It was amazing to see, the play ended in either a rushed shot or a shotclock violation.

Playing to Simmons ego that he's a PG is where they went wrong, he is a Draymond type PF that can run some offense but isn't a real halfcourt playmaker. Someone on Hoop Adjacent podcast pointed out that the Sixers were listing JJ Reddick at SF in some games last year just to stroke Simmons ego that he's the PG

[Ahmed1212]

I thought Nick Nurse coached circles around Mike B and Steve Kerr. Neither of those coaches had any answers for Nurse's defensive adjustments. Espesically Mike B.

I thought Brett Brown did the best job at making game to game adjustments against Nurse's adjustments. Maybe he's a poor regular season coach but I thought he did a good job in the playoffs.

[Hussien Fatal]

New season, same old story... 21-10 (56-win pace) with Embiid and 4-6 (33-win pace) without Embiid. I could use this as more material to prop up my lord and savior, but I'm gonna take a different route this time: Brett Brown has got to go.

If Scott freaking Brooks can trot out the G League Wizards and look competitive, there should be no reason Brown can't salvage mediocrity (at a minimum) with Simmons/J Rich/Tobias/Horford. This isn't a new phenomenon or reactionary take. It was the same story last year going 8-10 with Simmons/Redick/Butler/Tobias.

Even when Embiid plays, we're consistently awful out of timeouts and have no sense of structure within the offense. How can we not blame the coach knowing all that we know? I like the guy- I really do- but enough is enough. He had to know his ass was on the line when the Sixers committed to win-now mode. My only worry is that his rapport with the FO will cloud their judgement and prevent them from making the right decision.

To answer the question that will inevitably arise: yes, I'm willing to gamble on an unproven coach in the event of a Brown firing. I get that it's slim pickens right now when it comes to known commodities, but it's better to take a risk on someone new than cling to a losing formula.

You are forgetting how Brett Brown had the sixers finish the season on a 17 game win streak (franchise record) without Joel playing more than half those games. This isn’t on Brett Al is old and Tobias is playing out of position and there aren’t enough sharp shooters to free up Ben and Joel. Brett is a fine coach and the sixers are lucky to have him. He took a rookie Ben and 2nd year Joel to 52 wins and has back to back 50 win seasons which hasn’t happened to this sixers franchise in almost 40 years. Brett should not be used as a scapegoat here because its not his fault. He did not construct this flawed roster.

[Hussien Fatal]

Their shooting has been abysmal away from home

Today was 18% from 3

That might seem like something Brown has no control over, but 3pt% speaks volumes about the flow of the offense. Get this:

Tobias shot 43.4% from 3pt over 55 games for the Clippers last year, and 41.1% the previous year for DET/LAC combined. This is a guy who averaged 5.3 attempts during that 1 1/2 season stretch. I remember Tobi talking about how excited he was to demonstrate his improved 3pt touch before the 17-18 season. In 67 games for the Sixers however, he's shooting 33.9% on the same volume. It's not like he's drawing doubles on the perimeter, so what the hell is going on here?

I'll keep going...

- Mike Scott hit 40.0% for the Wizards and Clippers before arriving in Philly; since then he's down to 37.0%.
- Horford averaged 37.1% for the Hawks/Celtics after adding the 3pt dimension to his game in 15-16; he's shooting 34.0% so far for the Sixers.
- Richardson shot 36.8% throughout his career for Miami; he's averaging 34.1% in the City of Brotherly Love.

And that was our starting lineup tonight, besides Ben who can't hurt team 3pt% without actually taking any In theory Ben's inward gravity should open up the perimeter for his teammates (as should Embiid's when healthy). Instead, what I believe we're seeing are the fruits of a poorly designed and/or poorly implemented scheme. If true that falls on Brown.

I see you note the players who have regressed but what about the players who have improved their shooting???

Furkan went from low 30% to leading the team at 39%
Thybulle shot 30% his last year in college to shooting in the mid 40’s
Trey Burke shooting a career best from 3 in the mid 40’s

That’s just off the top of my head. As much as you want it to be the coach it isn’t it’s clearly the players and the flawed roster. Give brett a break he’s a very decent coach.

[Lalouie]

New season, same old story... 21-10 (56-win pace) with Embiid and 4-6 (33-win pace) without Embiid. I could use this as more material to prop up my lord and savior, but I'm gonna take a different route this time: Brett Brown has got to go.

If Scott freaking Brooks can trot out the G League Wizards and look competitive, there should be no reason Brown can't salvage mediocrity (at a minimum) with Simmons/J Rich/Tobias/Horford. This isn't a new phenomenon or reactionary take. It was the same story last year going 8-10 with Simmons/Redick/Butler/Tobias.

Even when Embiid plays, we're consistently awful out of timeouts and have no sense of structure within the offense. How can we not blame the coach knowing all that we know? I like the guy- I really do- but enough is enough. He had to know his ass was on the line when the Sixers committed to win-now mode. My only worry is that his rapport with the FO will cloud their judgement and prevent them from making the right decision.

To answer the question that will inevitably arise: yes, I'm willing to gamble on an unproven coach in the event of a Brown firing. I get that it's slim pickens right now when it comes to known commodities, but it's better to take a risk on someone new than cling to a losing formula.

no leadership on the floor. whatever was the problem with butler, clearly he never felt minnie or philly were "his kind of team", and he's the kind of leader you need.
your best player goofs off on social media too much
your second best player is, according to the pundits, a bad fit for your best player and doesn't work on what needs to be worked on. to wit: he seemingly refuses to even TRY shooting a 3 as if he wants to PO his coach.

and behind them you have one good vet who i don't know what's going on(didn't i read that he didn't like his "role" on the team), a vagabond vet who reached his ceiling a year ago, and a bunch of dudes who are too young to know anything.

i think philly, and everyone really, has fallen in love with embiid/simmons and allowances are being concocted for them. the team seems uncommitted. what's going on in philly is going on everywhere. there's no solid foundation in the nba, but that's what you get when you have a heavy HEAVY reliances on young fresh teenage blood to save your org. that the league relies so much on luka, ja, and zion to save the league for the next generation is a problem in and of itself.

all that being said and i got that off my chest,,,there are other young teams that don't have the problem philly has, so maybe it IS a bad staff. maybe it's this shaky "process" everyone keeps talking about - "trust the process"....DUDE, trust the process meant tanking for consecutive years so that philly could luck into embiid and simmons. that is not a plan, that was an act of desperation by a bad FO.

[GoCeltics123]

Feels like the Sixers put everything team-building and resource-wise into beating the Celtics and forgot how to beat other teams, especially on the road.

[Wilfried]

Feels like the Sixers put everything team-building and resource-wise into beating the Celtics and forgot how to beat other teams, especially on the road.

But ... but ... it feels so good beating the Celtics !

[djsunyc]

do they have a player that can create a shot out of nothing? if you want to win a title, you need that type of player. they had one in butler. now they don't. so they will struggle.

[GeorgeMarcus]

Their shooting has been abysmal away from home

Today was 18% from 3

That might seem like something Brown has no control over, but 3pt% speaks volumes about the flow of the offense. Get this:

Tobias shot 43.4% from 3pt over 55 games for the Clippers last year, and 41.1% the previous year for DET/LAC combined. This is a guy who averaged 5.3 attempts during that 1 1/2 season stretch. I remember Tobi talking about how excited he was to demonstrate his improved 3pt touch before the 17-18 season. In 67 games for the Sixers however, he's shooting 33.9% on the same volume. It's not like he's drawing doubles on the perimeter, so what the hell is going on here?

I'll keep going...

- Mike Scott hit 40.0% for the Wizards and Clippers before arriving in Philly; since then he's down to 37.0%.
- Horford averaged 37.1% for the Hawks/Celtics after adding the 3pt dimension to his game in 15-16; he's shooting 34.0% so far for the Sixers.
- Richardson shot 36.8% throughout his career for Miami; he's averaging 34.1% in the City of Brotherly Love.

And that was our starting lineup tonight, besides Ben who can't hurt team 3pt% without actually taking any In theory Ben's inward gravity should open up the perimeter for his teammates (as should Embiid's when healthy). Instead, what I believe we're seeing are the fruits of a poorly designed and/or poorly implemented scheme. If true that falls on Brown.

I see you note the players who have regressed but what about the players who have improved their shooting???

Furkan went from low 30% to leading the team at 39%
Thybulle shot 30% his last year in college to shooting in the mid 40’s
Trey Burke shooting a career best from 3 in the mid 40’s

That’s just off the top of my head. As much as you want it to be the coach it isn’t it’s clearly the players and the flawed roster. Give brett a break he’s a very decent coach.

That's not what I did at all. Furkan and Thybulle have played for no other coaches beside Brett Brown so that wouldn't make sense. Burke has made 16 3's in total, which isn't close to significant.

What I did was reference all the players who started tonight, who are also our highest volume 3pt shooters (apart from Furkan/Embiid who have only played under BB). I'm not a cherry picker and I take offense to the accusation.