Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[Coxy]

Trade Dlo/WCS for Drummond/Morris
Draft Cole Anthony

Curry
Klay Thompson
Andre Igoudala
Draymond Green
Andre Drummond

Cole Anthony
Kevon Looney
Eric Paschall
Jordan Poole
Marcus Morris
Ky Bowman

I've really cooled on the Drummond idea now. He's a free agent at the end of this season, and he really doesn't fit into our team at the end of games nextto Dray. Someone would likely overpay him this offsason and we'd lose him. I don't want Markief Morris on the team either.

You had me at "Trade WCS", but on closer look, pass.

[Mylie10]

Yeah I'm not down on Drummond much anymore. Mostly because your have to pay him a boatload long-term.

[Coxy]

Yeah I'm not down on Drummond much anymore. Mostly because your have to pay him a boatload long-term.

I'd rather go for Vucevic instead. That guy can score in a number of ways, still rebound a tonne and can shoot.

[Rudruff]

The problem with centers is that I keep coming back to the question of "Post-season, if the Warriors meet the Rockets is he going to have to sit in place of Looney?" Paying any of these guys $20+ million to not be able to play in a post-season series seems like a bad idea.

I would rather get in a bidding war for Aron Baynes during the offseason.

[giberish]

The problem with centers is that I keep coming back to the question of "Post-season, if the Warriors meet the Rockets is he going to have to sit in place of Looney?" Paying any of these guys $20+ million to not be able to play in a post-season series seems like a bad idea.

I would rather get in a bidding war for Aron Baynes during the offseason.

GS can only offer the 'no hard cap' MLE of about $6M. It will be tough to win a bidding war for anyone in-demand with that.

The problem I have with centers is that the team needs SF help so much more, and there's so few good options around. I see people expecting to resign Iggy next summer and have him play a major rotation role or even start. 2021 Iggy won't be a major player and finding the equivalent of 2015 Iggy is the team's biggest need.

[Coxy]

C is this teams biggest need. Without Durant, we need a Bogut type back.

[clyde21]

Yeah I'm not down on Drummond much anymore. Mostly because your have to pay him a boatload long-term.

Drummond just dropped 28/23 in a LOSS against the Cavs of all teams

do people still need further proof that players like Drummond should not get drafted in the top5 or given max money? this isn't the 1990s.

[clyde21]

biggest weakness on this team are the wings and it's not even close.

[Mylie10]

Yeah I'm not down on Drummond much anymore. Mostly because your have to pay him a boatload long-term.

Drummond just dropped 28/23 in a LOSS against the Cavs of all teams

do people still need further proof that players like Drummond should not get drafted in the top5 or given max money? this isn't the 1990s.

I think with Steph and Klay you could get a more positive impact with him, but I want a center that is defensive, but yet still can stretch the floor. If possible.

Bogut was such a defensive savant that he was an outlier. Zaza was a plodding screen setter who could body up and frustrate bigger players. You need a big guy to at least matchup here and there with bigs around the league, but you shouldn't spend big time money on one, unless he can fill it up on offense as well.

[ILOVEIT]

I don't care about All Star appearances and what sort of contract he gets, Jamaal Magloire was once an all star and max contracts get handed out to the wrong players all the time. I watch Simmons closely, and yes it's a personal take, but I don't see superstar in either his game or his attitude. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if we look back in a few years time to realise that he has already peaked in 2020. His defense is elite, his passing size and break running is elite, but he still hasn't developed any offesnive go to game and he still has no interest in developing a shot. His FT shooting is still also terrible. I also look at his demeanor on and off court, I don't see the drive to be great at all. He seems more interested in a flashy lifestlye with his Kardashian curse love interest.

Don't get me wrong, I like Simmons and would like him on the Warriors, but in no way would I be giving up massive franchise altering assets for him. To me, he's a glue guy, not a franchise talent.

Would you rather have Simmons or Dlo?

Simmons, I see him as the Iguodala replacement. Also, as most know around these parts, I am a sucker for elite defenders, Simmons is that. Defense makes me giddy like a school girl. I'd do the Simmons for Dlo + our 1st, and I'd even gift them WCS, but I doubt that even gets looked at by Philly. Who knows, maybe Bobby M has a jedi mind trick up his sleeve.

I'm slowly coming around to Simmons on this team. Primarily as a bigger guard making the Warriors much tougher defensively. That really could be magic on the offensive transition game.

But I still hate the fact that he absolutely can't shoot facing the basket

So if the best we can do is Simmons...okay. But I'd still prefer to have more of a two way start like KAT or AD if at all possible....so Green can remain the glue guy motor on this team.

[TB]

cba question:

Could warriors S&T a contract to acquire a player at more than the tax MLE?

Example, if this offseason Ibaka wants 11m and the raptors can't/won't do that... could we S&T Looney and then use that 11m to give Ibaka?

I also assume Toronto would be willing to pay Ibaka whatever his market value is, but he'd be such a great starting C for us.

[xdrta+]

cba question:

Could warriors S&T a contract to acquire a player at more than the tax MLE?

Example, if this offseason Ibaka wants 11m and the raptors can't/won't do that... could we S&T Looney and then use that 11m to give Ibaka?

I also assume Toronto would be willing to pay Ibaka whatever his market value is, but he'd be such a great starting C for us.

A little unclear on what your question is, but if I understand you right--Looney is signed for next year at $5M, that can't be changed. If the Raps agreed to S&T Ibaka (and he agreed), they would sign him for whatever, then the Warriors would have to send back that much salary in a trade. Also, the W's would be hard-capped after receiving a player in a S&T.

[clyde21]

Yeah I'm not down on Drummond much anymore. Mostly because your have to pay him a boatload long-term.

Drummond just dropped 28/23 in a LOSS against the Cavs of all teams

do people still need further proof that players like Drummond should not get drafted in the top5 or given max money? this isn't the 1990s.

I think with Steph and Klay you could get a more positive impact with him, but I want a center that is defensive, but yet still can stretch the floor. If possible.

Bogut was such a defensive savant that he was an outlier. Zaza was a plodding screen setter who could body up and frustrate bigger players. You need a big guy to at least matchup here and there with bigs around the league, but you shouldn't spend big time money on one, unless he can fill it up on offense as well.

Bogut was great on this team b/c he combined real rim protection with great inside-out passing and elite screen/pick setting...so he was really the perfect big for us sans him not being able to play over 20 mins

Drummond is not really any of that, we're seeing his 'impact' on Detroit right now, it's not very good, and I wouldn't want to pay someone big % so 'Klay and Steph' can get more impact out of him

[Mylie10]

Drummond just dropped 28/23 in a LOSS against the Cavs of all teams

do people still need further proof that players like Drummond should not get drafted in the top5 or given max money? this isn't the 1990s.

I think with Steph and Klay you could get a more positive impact with him, but I want a center that is defensive, but yet still can stretch the floor. If possible.

Bogut was such a defensive savant that he was an outlier. Zaza was a plodding screen setter who could body up and frustrate bigger players. You need a big guy to at least matchup here and there with bigs around the league, but you shouldn't spend big time money on one, unless he can fill it up on offense as well.

Bogut was great on this team b/c he combined real rim protection with great inside-out passing and elite screen/pick setting...so he was really the perfect big for us sans him not being able to play over 20 mins

Drummond is not really any of that, we're seeing his 'impact' on Detroit right now, it's not very good, and I wouldn't want to pay someone big % so 'Klay and Steph' can get more impact out of him

I think we're on the same page with this one.

[clyde21]

another reason why I don't really want Wiseman, he's more in the Drummond/Ayton category for me than a Gobert or JJJ

but...in a draft like this where there are a lot of possible grenades in the top5, getting a safe player like Wiseman is fine...just don't really love it.

[Coxy]

Is the NBA moving towards rarely trading players? Is it me, or are there hardly any trades anymore, other than enormous blockbusters. We had Exum to the Cavs for Clarkson, but other than that, seems like teams sit tight these days, waiting to either draft a superstar or make a blockbuster to form a super team.

[azwfan]

Is the NBA moving towards rarely trading players? Is it me, or are there hardly any trades anymore, other than enormous blockbusters. We had Exum to the Cavs for Clarkson, but other than that, seems like teams sit tight these days, waiting to either draft a superstar or make a blockbuster to form a super team.

Trade deadline hasn't passed yet... and like half of the league changed teams this summer. Would not expect a ton of trades.

Also unique to this year... at least up to this point there seem to be more teams in the hunt for a playoff birth than more years. The Pelicans (2nd worst record in the West) are within 3.5 games of the 8th seed. About 4 really bad teams are within 5 games of the 8th seed in the East.

This will likely thin out closer to the trade deadline, where there may be a bit more distance between the 8th seed and the bottom dwellers, but the only teams really out of the playoff hunt right now are the Hawks, Warriors, Knicks, and Cavs.

[freypies]

Man I would have loved to trade a 2022 FRP for Valanciunas via TPE, but it doesn't seem possible anymore with how well Memphis are playing.

What do you guys think are the best case TPE options for us?

[cpower]

we need to get rid of dlo fast...there is no way we will fix the defense when he plays.. Myers what are you waiting for?

[freypies]

we need to get rid of dlo fast...there is no way we will fix the defense when he plays.. Myers what are you waiting for?

As much as I hate to admit it, I think Joe Lacob + Bob may be still trying to package DLo in a superstar deal for a Simmons/Gobert/Giannis/Towns/Embiid kind of player. They seem extremely ambitious.