MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened

[LikeABosh]

You guys should know by now not to try and argue with goober

What's a goober and how many of them are there

[Packbuckman]

Giannis is the best player and easily the mvp this year.
37 pts 9 rebounds 4 assists in 22 minutes 3-5 from 3 too lol

[ifrit]

How many more games Giannis has to play to get the mvp?

[brettski]

Giannis is the best player and easily the mvp this year.
37 pts 9 rebounds 4 assists in 22 minutes 3-5 from 3 too lol

Watch Scarabarista's formula value Harden more because he contributed more points and minutes in a loss.

[GSP]

Wheres the couple of delusional ppl arguing for Harden Dpoy or that hes a strong defender?

Ja Morant straight up abused him in isolation all game. Dont think he missed once

And it was Hardens onball defense that was praised. No one is buying hes even a passable offball or team defender

This happens with the Harden stans every year when they try to mind **** themselves and others into thinking hes a plus defender

[The_Brecht]

Harden can't win MVP with games like this.
13/37 fg, 5/19 3pt
That's just ugly.

[RB34]

Good lord Giannis!

[Gooner]

3 years ago he averaged 27/10 at the age of 22. Was that a product of Kidd's system?

What was their record and final result? That Kidd comparison just makes my point. Giannis needs a specific team and a great coach liek Budenholzer to have thsi type of success. Harden can carry any team with different types of teammates to elite records. He just does more offensively than Giannis.

Giannis is better overall player than Harden. Like it or not there are two sides on the court.
Offensively...offensively...offensively...you do know that Giannis is 2nd scoring while being a permanent DPOY candidate.
But you never mention it. If it was all about offense Harden would be having 5 straight championships by now.
Do you want to name MVP the best scorer? If yes, just say it.
Nothing makes your point. Because your point is always to discredit antetokounmpo no matter what he does.
You make it sound like Harden was coached only by bad coaches like Kidd in his career.
On his first season with a good coach, he had a 60 win season and went to the ECF.
On his second season, they are on a 70 win pace.
You never take into account defense. Elite scoring yes. What else?

Luka is horrible in defense but at least he has the excuse of being 20 years old. If he continues to be negative on that end in the next few seasons, he will follow the same route(although his playing style and mavs' system isn't that annoying for the eye thank god)

Harden is good post defender and he plays the passing lanes. He is not bad defender. You are the one who had Luka at the top for a while, even though he is worse defender than Harden. His youth is not an excuse because standards have to be the same for everybody.

[WHITE_HOT_HEAT]

You guys should know by now not to try and argue with goober

What's a goober and how many of them are there

Oh you'll know from the posts. They stink like a Goober.

Anyway, like most of us here said, it's Giannis MVP to lose. There's some distance b/w him and no 2.
Over the last two weeks LeBron is kinda putting some distance between him other Doncic, Harden for no 2.

[Packbuckman]

What was their record and final result? That Kidd comparison just makes my point. Giannis needs a specific team and a great coach liek Budenholzer to have thsi type of success. Harden can carry any team with different types of teammates to elite records. He just does more offensively than Giannis.

Giannis is better overall player than Harden. Like it or not there are two sides on the court.
Offensively...offensively...offensively...you do know that Giannis is 2nd scoring while being a permanent DPOY candidate.
But you never mention it. If it was all about offense Harden would be having 5 straight championships by now.
Do you want to name MVP the best scorer? If yes, just say it.
Nothing makes your point. Because your point is always to discredit antetokounmpo no matter what he does.
You make it sound like Harden was coached only by bad coaches like Kidd in his career.
On his first season with a good coach, he had a 60 win season and went to the ECF.
On his second season, they are on a 70 win pace.
You never take into account defense. Elite scoring yes. What else?

Luka is horrible in defense but at least he has the excuse of being 20 years old. If he continues to be negative on that end in the next few seasons, he will follow the same route(although his playing style and mavs' system isn't that annoying for the eye thank god)

Harden is good post defender and he plays the passing lanes. He is not bad defender. You are the one who had Luka at the top for a while, even though he is worse defender than Harden. His youth is not an excuse because standards have to be the same for everybody.

Some of your takes on Giannis are just hilarious!
If you can’t see that he’s the best player you really just don’t know basketball lol
Every time he touches the ball all 5 players eyes are on him and they still can’t stop him. He scores so easily now it’s just scary and what’s worse he still is getting better.
Plus he plays great D. This bucks team is so much better this year and it begins and ends with Giannis but Middleton is having a great year too he sure is living up to his contract that everyone thought was too much.

[kazyv]

What was their record and final result? That Kidd comparison just makes my point. Giannis needs a specific team and a great coach liek Budenholzer to have thsi type of success. Harden can carry any team with different types of teammates to elite records. He just does more offensively than Giannis.

Giannis is better overall player than Harden. Like it or not there are two sides on the court.
Offensively...offensively...offensively...you do know that Giannis is 2nd scoring while being a permanent DPOY candidate.
But you never mention it. If it was all about offense Harden would be having 5 straight championships by now.
Do you want to name MVP the best scorer? If yes, just say it.
Nothing makes your point. Because your point is always to discredit antetokounmpo no matter what he does.
You make it sound like Harden was coached only by bad coaches like Kidd in his career.
On his first season with a good coach, he had a 60 win season and went to the ECF.
On his second season, they are on a 70 win pace.
You never take into account defense. Elite scoring yes. What else?

Luka is horrible in defense but at least he has the excuse of being 20 years old. If he continues to be negative on that end in the next few seasons, he will follow the same route(although his playing style and mavs' system isn't that annoying for the eye thank god)

Harden is good post defender and he plays the passing lanes. He is not bad defender. You are the one who had Luka at the top for a while, even though he is worse defender than Harden. His youth is not an excuse because standards have to be the same for everybody.

that post defense bit is always hilarious. it's not like he's out there, defending mj in the post. who's even good in the post nowadays?

here's some harden post defense for you
https://streamable.com/fg3lh

[MrPerfect1]

Giannis is better overall player than Harden. Like it or not there are two sides on the court.
Offensively...offensively...offensively...you do know that Giannis is 2nd scoring while being a permanent DPOY candidate.
But you never mention it. If it was all about offense Harden would be having 5 straight championships by now.
Do you want to name MVP the best scorer? If yes, just say it.
Nothing makes your point. Because your point is always to discredit antetokounmpo no matter what he does.
You make it sound like Harden was coached only by bad coaches like Kidd in his career.
On his first season with a good coach, he had a 60 win season and went to the ECF.
On his second season, they are on a 70 win pace.
You never take into account defense. Elite scoring yes. What else?

Luka is horrible in defense but at least he has the excuse of being 20 years old. If he continues to be negative on that end in the next few seasons, he will follow the same route(although his playing style and mavs' system isn't that annoying for the eye thank god)

Harden is good post defender and he plays the passing lanes. He is not bad defender. You are the one who had Luka at the top for a while, even though he is worse defender than Harden. His youth is not an excuse because standards have to be the same for everybody.

that post defense bit is always hilarious. it's not like he's out there, defending mj in the post. who's even good in the post nowadays?

here's some harden post defense for you
https://streamable.com/fg3lh

I love the "good post defender" defense of Harden. Great, he is really good at something that is hardly done anymore. Posting up is rarer than ever, much less by the people Harden is covering. Now, if HOU was using Harden as the primary post defender against Embiid, then that would be interesting. However, that is far from the case.

Guard post defense is almost assuredly the least impactful defensive ability. It is like defending a hitter in Baseball because he is great against Knuckleball pitchers.
Great.... that should help the team roughly once every 2 months.

[DiogoLandim]

Giannis is now tied with 2015-2016 Curry for most games with 30+ points in 30 or less minutes in a single season.

Giannis - 7
Curry - 7
Westphal (77-78), F. Williams (80-81), Gervin(81-82) - 5.

[KGtabake]

What was their record and final result? That Kidd comparison just makes my point. Giannis needs a specific team and a great coach liek Budenholzer to have thsi type of success. Harden can carry any team with different types of teammates to elite records. He just does more offensively than Giannis.

Giannis is better overall player than Harden. Like it or not there are two sides on the court.
Offensively...offensively...offensively...you do know that Giannis is 2nd scoring while being a permanent DPOY candidate.
But you never mention it. If it was all about offense Harden would be having 5 straight championships by now.
Do you want to name MVP the best scorer? If yes, just say it.
Nothing makes your point. Because your point is always to discredit antetokounmpo no matter what he does.
You make it sound like Harden was coached only by bad coaches like Kidd in his career.
On his first season with a good coach, he had a 60 win season and went to the ECF.
On his second season, they are on a 70 win pace.
You never take into account defense. Elite scoring yes. What else?

Luka is horrible in defense but at least he has the excuse of being 20 years old. If he continues to be negative on that end in the next few seasons, he will follow the same route(although his playing style and mavs' system isn't that annoying for the eye thank god)

Harden is good post defender and he plays the passing lanes. He is not bad defender. You are the one who had Luka at the top for a while, even though he is worse defender than Harden. His youth is not an excuse because standards have to be the same for everybody.

Yes, you are right on that one. I had Luka #1 until recently and i was aware that his D is really bad at the moment.
But his team was winning while he was having arguably the worst supporting cast than all candidates. So, i was thinking that what he's doing is really amazing.
Now that the team isn't near the top, his disadvantage is starting to show.
He's still a joy to watch(imo) but team record is huge for these awards.
And yes, Harden is significantly better than Luka at defending the post.

[The Lazy Potato]

Giannis is now tied with 2015-2016 Curry for most games with 30+ points in 30 or less minutes in a single season.

Giannis - 7
Curry - 7
Westphal (77-78), F. Williams (80-81), Gervin(81-82) - 5.

Actually Curry had 6 not 7.

[Nightfall]

Giannis is now tied with 2015-2016 Curry for most games with 30+ points in 30 or less minutes in a single season.

Giannis - 7
Curry - 7
Westphal (77-78), F. Williams (80-81), Gervin(81-82) - 5.

Actually Curry had 6 not 7.

Checked it he actually had 7. The NBA Stats tweet was wrong

https://tinyurl.com/qsxkypa

[The Lazy Potato]

Giannis is now tied with 2015-2016 Curry for most games with 30+ points in 30 or less minutes in a single season.

Giannis - 7
Curry - 7
Westphal (77-78), F. Williams (80-81), Gervin(81-82) - 5.

Actually Curry had 6 not 7.

Checked it he actually had 7. The NBA Stats tweet was wrong

https://tinyurl.com/qsxkypa

Ah ok, np. Giannis will get the 8 sooner or later anyway.. haha

[scrabbarista]

as of the morning of January 15th

14.9 Antetokounmpo
14.0 Harden
13.9 James
12.0 Gobert
11.2 Doncic

11.1 Butler
10.4 Jokic
10.3 Leonard
9.5 Lillard
9.0 Davis

Antetokounmpo surged to the largest lead he's held since I started the rankings around a month into the season (Harden lead for most of December and most of January), proving the age-old adage that nothing bolsters an MVP case like playing the Knicks - unless you're Luka Doncic, of course.

[KGtabake]

as of the morning of January 15th

14.9 Antetokounmpo
14.0 Harden
13.9 James
12.0 Gobert
11.2 Doncic

11.1 Butler
10.4 Jokic
10.3 Leonard
9.5 Lillard
9.0 Davis

Antetokounmpo surged to the largest lead he's held since I started the rankings around a month into the season (Harden lead for most of December and most of January), proving the age-old adage that nothing bolsters an MVP case like playing the Knicks - unless you're Luka Doncic.

Bucks are 15-3 vs the West.
Rockets are 11-4 vs the East.

[scrabbarista]

as of the morning of January 15th

14.9 Antetokounmpo
14.0 Harden
13.9 James
12.0 Gobert
11.2 Doncic

11.1 Butler
10.4 Jokic
10.3 Leonard
9.5 Lillard
9.0 Davis

Antetokounmpo surged to the largest lead he's held since I started the rankings around a month into the season (Harden lead for most of December and most of January), proving the age-old adage that nothing bolsters an MVP case like playing the Knicks - unless you're Luka Doncic.

Bucks are 15-3 vs the West.
Rockets are 11-4 vs the East.

The Bucks are better than the Rockets.