Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath

[Jay10]

This kid needs to stop pulling his groin so damn much! He's rich! Get a hot chick to suck the swelling away!!

I think it might have something to do with the way he slides when defending the opposing player, who normally bumps into him the way a defender would bump into a player setting a screen, or it happened on the landing after he dunked against the Pelicans.

It can also be the the quick switches in his stance to stay in front of the opposing player.

It's the cold weather in NYC imo. He needs to move to the Mavs/LAC/LAL/Miami.

I wonder if the team ever looked more into this groin issue he has been having since he was drafted.

Does he not stretch properly?

[BKlutch]

I think it might have something to do with the way he slides when defending the opposing player, who normally bumps into him the way a defender would bump into a player setting a screen, or it happened on the landing after he dunked against the Pelicans.

It can also be the the quick switches in his stance to stay in front of the opposing player.

It's the cold weather in NYC imo. He needs to move to the Mavs/LAC/LAL/Miami.

I wonder if the team ever looked more into this groin issue he has been having since he was drafted.

Does he not stretch probably?

Who on the team will look into Frank's groin?

[seren]

It's the cold weather in NYC imo. He needs to move to the Mavs/LAC/LAL/Miami.

I wonder if the team ever looked more into this groin issue he has been having since he was drafted.

Does he not stretch probably?

Who on the team will look into Frank's groin?

Only if Eddy Curry was still around

[thelastpope]

Every time this thread gets bumped I think Frank is getting traded

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[thebuzzardman]

Every time this thread gets bumped I think Frank is getting traded

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This time he is

[prophet_of_rage]

... I still think there's some small chance that Frank is the better player in 5 years. But it has to be pretty small. Ball getting some big games. He plays D. They're actually kind of similar in some basic ways. Tall. Frank may very well be the more reliable 3 point shooter. His form suggests a distinctly more NBA type shot.

Tough one and I adore Frank. But if it was Lonzo for Frank and a pick, you probably have to do that.

On the other hand, I can't imagine anybody better suited to playing with RJ than Frank. Lonzo is less of a fit.

How? RJ played with a point at Duke and did great. Stop this narrative that if someone else dribbles the ball.it hurts RJ. He isn't Ivrrson.

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[MaseInYourFace]

... I still think there's some small chance that Frank is the better player in 5 years. But it has to be pretty small. Ball getting some big games. He plays D. They're actually kind of similar in some basic ways. Tall. Frank may very well be the more reliable 3 point shooter. His form suggests a distinctly more NBA type shot.

Tough one and I adore Frank. But if it was Lonzo for Frank and a pick, you probably have to do that.

On the other hand, I can't imagine anybody better suited to playing with RJ than Frank. Lonzo is less of a fit.

I see both having essentially the same main issue. Shooting. Frank has shown signs but he needs to do it over a longer haul. If Ball ever figures it out though he has way higher ceiling. I say that not being a big Lonzo guy. I thought he was way overhyped coming in and so far I’ve been pretty right.

[MaseInYourFace]

I think it might have something to do with the way he slides when defending the opposing player, who normally bumps into him the way a defender would bump into a player setting a screen, or it happened on the landing after he dunked against the Pelicans.

It can also be the the quick switches in his stance to stay in front of the opposing player.

It's the cold weather in NYC imo. He needs to move to the Mavs/LAC/LAL/Miami.

I wonder if the team ever looked more into this groin issue he has been having since he was drafted.

Does he not stretch probably?

It’s not unusual for some guys to have problem areas. He probably just needs to be a little more proactive about stretching and warming up.

[NYKnickerbocker]

... I still think there's some small chance that Frank is the better player in 5 years. But it has to be pretty small. Ball getting some big games. He plays D. They're actually kind of similar in some basic ways. Tall. Frank may very well be the more reliable 3 point shooter. His form suggests a distinctly more NBA type shot.

Tough one and I adore Frank. But if it was Lonzo for Frank and a pick, you probably have to do that.

On the other hand, I can't imagine anybody better suited to playing with RJ than Frank. Lonzo is less of a fit.

I see both having essentially the same main issue. Shooting. Frank has shown signs but he needs to do it over a longer haul. If Ball ever figures it out though he has way higher ceiling. I say that not being a big Lonzo guy. I thought he was way overhyped coming in and so far I’ve been pretty right.

dont want my starting point shooting 50% from the line tho lol

[K_ick_God]

... I still think there's some small chance that Frank is the better player in 5 years. But it has to be pretty small. Ball getting some big games. He plays D. They're actually kind of similar in some basic ways. Tall. Frank may very well be the more reliable 3 point shooter. His form suggests a distinctly more NBA type shot.

Tough one and I adore Frank. But if it was Lonzo for Frank and a pick, you probably have to do that.

On the other hand, I can't imagine anybody better suited to playing with RJ than Frank. Lonzo is less of a fit.

I see both having essentially the same main issue. Shooting. Frank has shown signs but he needs to do it over a longer haul. If Ball ever figures it out though he has way higher ceiling. I say that not being a big Lonzo guy. I thought he was way overhyped coming in and so far I’ve been pretty right.

Yep. Same about Lonzo. And so far yeah he’s not good enough. But showing more signs than Frank, who is himself showing signs. Frank much better-looking shot but so far we only see it on the FT line.

[msanchez2725]

... I still think there's some small chance that Frank is the better player in 5 years. But it has to be pretty small. Ball getting some big games. He plays D. They're actually kind of similar in some basic ways. Tall. Frank may very well be the more reliable 3 point shooter. His form suggests a distinctly more NBA type shot.

Tough one and I adore Frank. But if it was Lonzo for Frank and a pick, you probably have to do that.

On the other hand, I can't imagine anybody better suited to playing with RJ than Frank. Lonzo is less of a fit.

I see both having essentially the same main issue. Shooting. Frank has shown signs but he needs to do it over a longer haul. If Ball ever figures it out though he has way higher ceiling. I say that not being a big Lonzo guy. I thought he was way overhyped coming in and so far I’ve been pretty right.

Yep. Same about Lonzo. And so far yeah he’s not good enough. But showing more signs than Frank, who is himself showing signs. Frank much better-looking shot but so far we only see it on the FT line.

If Frank was putting up Lonzo's stats over the last month, we would be throwing him a parade. I like Frank, but every time he gets a little momentum, groin strain. I will say, you know the moment a legitimate NBA team gets a hold of him, he will turn into a legit player. Not quite a PG, but he will make an impact somewhere.

[Tron Carter]

Do teammates shoot better with Payton on the floor?

This last section doesn’t have a clip. I apologize for this. Its purpose is actually a preview of a future article I’m working on about playing the young players more. We know Payton is a good passer, but are teammates shooting better when Payton is on the court? The table below, from PBP Stats, compares how players shoot when playing with Ntilikina versus Payton.



Mitchell Robinson’s effective field goal percentage is nearly 80% and his percentage is 11.4% better with Ntilikina on the floor! Julius Randle, Damyean Dotson, Reggie Bullock, and Wayne Ellington all shoot better with Ntilikina on the court too. And non-long-term players like Taj Gibson and Bobby Portis shoot better with Payton on the court. Yes, the RJ Barrett and Kevin Knox numbers favor Payton, but not by much, and those two have been somewhat inconsistent with their perimeter shooting. How many wide-open missed shots has Knox had on Ntilikina passes?

When you surround shooters, cutters, and off-ball players around Frank Ntilikina and Mitchell Robinson, good things happen. There need to be more lineups constructed something like Ntilikina, Barrett, Dotson, Randle and Robinson, or Ntilikina, Barrett, Bullock, Knox and Robinson. If a foundational player in Mitchell Robinson is shooting worse with Payton on the court, why is he playing so many minutes with him? Enough is enough.

Full Article: https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2020/1/21/21075102/how-they-drew-up-5-graphs-elfrid-payton

[prophet_of_rage]

... I still think there's some small chance that Frank is the better player in 5 years. But it has to be pretty small. Ball getting some big games. He plays D. They're actually kind of similar in some basic ways. Tall. Frank may very well be the more reliable 3 point shooter. His form suggests a distinctly more NBA type shot.

Tough one and I adore Frank. But if it was Lonzo for Frank and a pick, you probably have to do that.

On the other hand, I can't imagine anybody better suited to playing with RJ than Frank. Lonzo is less of a fit.

I see both having essentially the same main issue. Shooting. Frank has shown signs but he needs to do it over a longer haul. If Ball ever figures it out though he has way higher ceiling. I say that not being a big Lonzo guy. I thought he was way overhyped coming in and so far I’ve been pretty right.

Ball has improved his shooting a lot. He was always the better player. He defends, he is way more mobile and creative. He's on a Jason Kidd like streak with double digit scoring, high assists and high rebounding.

Frank is not in his stratosphere except for height. The only way Frank becomes better is if Lonzo loses his quickness completely.

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[prophet_of_rage]

I see both having essentially the same main issue. Shooting. Frank has shown signs but he needs to do it over a longer haul. If Ball ever figures it out though he has way higher ceiling. I say that not being a big Lonzo guy. I thought he was way overhyped coming in and so far I’ve been pretty right.

Yep. Same about Lonzo. And so far yeah he’s not good enough. But showing more signs than Frank, who is himself showing signs. Frank much better-looking shot but so far we only see it on the FT line.

If Frank was putting up Lonzo's stats over the last month, we would be throwing him a parade. I like Frank, but every time he gets a little momentum, groin strain. I will say, you know the moment a legitimate NBA team gets a hold of him, he will turn into a legit player. Not quite a PG, but he will make an impact somewhere.

Lonzo's December/January numbers are very good. He's a sub 40 per cent shooter, but he's rebounding and getting a lot of assists. If that were Frank we'd have really solved our point guard situation.

[cgmw]

Do teammates shoot better with Payton on the floor?

This last section doesn’t have a clip. I apologize for this. Its purpose is actually a preview of a future article I’m working on about playing the young players more. We know Payton is a good passer, but are teammates shooting better when Payton is on the court? The table below, from PBP Stats, compares how players shoot when playing with Ntilikina versus Payton.



Mitchell Robinson’s effective field goal percentage is nearly 80% and his percentage is 11.4% better with Ntilikina on the floor! Julius Randle, Damyean Dotson, Reggie Bullock, and Wayne Ellington all shoot better with Ntilikina on the court too. And non-long-term players like Taj Gibson and Bobby Portis shoot better with Payton on the court. Yes, the RJ Barrett and Kevin Knox numbers favor Payton, but not by much, and those two have been somewhat inconsistent with their perimeter shooting. How many wide-open missed shots has Knox had on Ntilikina passes?

When you surround shooters, cutters, and off-ball players around Frank Ntilikina and Mitchell Robinson, good things happen. There need to be more lineups constructed something like Ntilikina, Barrett, Dotson, Randle and Robinson, or Ntilikina, Barrett, Bullock, Knox and Robinson. If a foundational player in Mitchell Robinson is shooting worse with Payton on the court, why is he playing so many minutes with him? Enough is enough.

Full Article: https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2020/1/21/21075102/how-they-drew-up-5-graphs-elfrid-payton

It’s so crazy we haven’t seen:

Mitch
Knox
Barrett
Dotson
Frank

If management insists on keeping Mook/Randle past the deadline, I hope they at least bench Taj for Mitch and Payton for Frank. Bring in Bullock (or Dot) as sixth man subbing in for Mitch while shifting Randle to center.

Randle
Morris
Barrett
Bullock
Frank

[prophet_of_rage]

Do teammates shoot better with Payton on the floor?

This last section doesn’t have a clip. I apologize for this. Its purpose is actually a preview of a future article I’m working on about playing the young players more. We know Payton is a good passer, but are teammates shooting better when Payton is on the court? The table below, from PBP Stats, compares how players shoot when playing with Ntilikina versus Payton.



Mitchell Robinson’s effective field goal percentage is nearly 80% and his percentage is 11.4% better with Ntilikina on the floor! Julius Randle, Damyean Dotson, Reggie Bullock, and Wayne Ellington all shoot better with Ntilikina on the court too. And non-long-term players like Taj Gibson and Bobby Portis shoot better with Payton on the court. Yes, the RJ Barrett and Kevin Knox numbers favor Payton, but not by much, and those two have been somewhat inconsistent with their perimeter shooting. How many wide-open missed shots has Knox had on Ntilikina passes?

When you surround shooters, cutters, and off-ball players around Frank Ntilikina and Mitchell Robinson, good things happen. There need to be more lineups constructed something like Ntilikina, Barrett, Dotson, Randle and Robinson, or Ntilikina, Barrett, Bullock, Knox and Robinson. If a foundational player in Mitchell Robinson is shooting worse with Payton on the court, why is he playing so many minutes with him? Enough is enough.

Full Article: https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2020/1/21/21075102/how-they-drew-up-5-graphs-elfrid-payton

Does this end the argument that RJ, our most important player, plays better with Frank since he actually shoots better with Payton?

And doesn't a lot of this have to do with when they play? I mean the backups play with Frank and do better against backups than they do when playing with the starters.

The truth is there is no damn difference between Elf and Frank. And Elf could be here next year. Also, Elf gives the ball to Randle way less than Frank does. Isn't that a good thing?

[Tron Carter]

I’m just posting the facts. However you chose to interpret them is your problem.

Read the actual article to find your answers.

[Diop]

redo the draft and trade Monk for Frank?

Monk has been underwhelming Charlotte fans with his inconsistency

[Newyorknick94]

Do teammates shoot better with Payton on the floor?

This last section doesn’t have a clip. I apologize for this. Its purpose is actually a preview of a future article I’m working on about playing the young players more. We know Payton is a good passer, but are teammates shooting better when Payton is on the court? The table below, from PBP Stats, compares how players shoot when playing with Ntilikina versus Payton.



Mitchell Robinson’s effective field goal percentage is nearly 80% and his percentage is 11.4% better with Ntilikina on the floor! Julius Randle, Damyean Dotson, Reggie Bullock, and Wayne Ellington all shoot better with Ntilikina on the court too. And non-long-term players like Taj Gibson and Bobby Portis shoot better with Payton on the court. Yes, the RJ Barrett and Kevin Knox numbers favor Payton, but not by much, and those two have been somewhat inconsistent with their perimeter shooting. How many wide-open missed shots has Knox had on Ntilikina passes?

When you surround shooters, cutters, and off-ball players around Frank Ntilikina and Mitchell Robinson, good things happen. There need to be more lineups constructed something like Ntilikina, Barrett, Dotson, Randle and Robinson, or Ntilikina, Barrett, Bullock, Knox and Robinson. If a foundational player in Mitchell Robinson is shooting worse with Payton on the court, why is he playing so many minutes with him? Enough is enough.

Full Article: https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2020/1/21/21075102/how-they-drew-up-5-graphs-elfrid-payton

Does this end the argument that RJ, our most important player, plays better with Frank since he actually shoots better with Payton?

And doesn't a lot of this have to do with when they play? I mean the backups play with Frank and do better against backups than they do when playing with the starters.

The truth is there is no damn difference between Elf and Frank. And Elf could be here next year. Also, Elf gives the ball to Randle way less than Frank does. Isn't that a good thing?

Is that legit? I feel like Payton passes Randle the ball more than he passes to anyone else

[god shammgod]

redo the draft and trade Monk for Frank?

Monk has been underwhelming Charlotte fans with his inconsistency