Fringe vs Rebuild - 5 Year Trends - East vs West

[Skin]

Keep Isaac, Fultz, Bamba, Okeke.

Trade everyone else for draft picks and expirings.

[zaymon]

Well, of course you would need to add young players, filler, etc. There’s more than one way to find talent. I know you are being sarcastic, but not all of us want to keep trying to patch up a sinking ship.

Sinking ship ? We have 22 years old all nba defender who moves like he is not human, we have 21 years old former number 1 pick returning to form, we have 21 years old freakishly long center, we have 21 years old promising forward who didnt even play for us yet, we have old 24 years old veteran forward who is starting to play like a solid starter, we have all our picks going forward and we have a bunch of good veterans on good to great contracts. Not all of us magic fans hate our own team.

And yet we are still reliant on 3 starters that have been on this roster for 5-7 years from a previously failed FO. The same players that aren’t exciting to watch nor capable of producing anything better than a bottom 10 offense.

Put your pitchfork and torch down. Convenient that the ones so against changing this roster only bring up our youth when it fits their agenda.

My agenda is us being a very good team for a very long time, so yes hopefully it fits my agenda.
I dont know what exactly you are proposing but right now our starting lineup age is
21/27/24/22/28 and our bench when Okeke returns 32/27/21/29/21 .
Where exactly you want to be younger ? We cant be younger at sg becouse we need experienced guard next to Fultz. We can try to flip Fournier but for who exactly ? Ross skill set with his size is quite rare also. We can trade Gordon which i would propably do, but i dont know if its wise before the offseason and we need a strong body to shield Isaac from contusion. Vucevic will be hard to move and we dont have anyone to replace him. Our bench will become younger with 2 first round picks coming.
You want us to become younger but you dont bring any solutions to our problems. You want Hennigan rebuild 2.0.

[VFX]

Sinking ship ? We have 22 years old all nba defender who moves like he is not human, we have 21 years old former number 1 pick returning to form, we have 21 years old freakishly long center, we have 21 years old promising forward who didnt even play for us yet, we have old 24 years old veteran forward who is starting to play like a solid starter, we have all our picks going forward and we have a bunch of good veterans on good to great contracts. Not all of us magic fans hate our own team.

And yet we are still reliant on 3 starters that have been on this roster for 5-7 years from a previously failed FO. The same players that aren’t exciting to watch nor capable of producing anything better than a bottom 10 offense.

Put your pitchfork and torch down. Convenient that the ones so against changing this roster only bring up our youth when it fits their agenda.

My agenda is us being a very good team for a very long time, so yes hopefully it fits my agenda.
I dont know what exactly you are proposing but right now our starting lineup age is
21/27/24/22/28 and our bench when Okeke returns 32/27/21/29/21 .
Where exactly you want to be younger ? We cant be younger at sg becouse we need experienced guard next to Fultz. We can try to flip Fournier but for who exactly ? Ross skill set with his size is quite rare also. We can trade Gordon which i would propably do, but i dont know if its wise before the offseason and we need a strong body to shield Isaac from contusion. Vucevic will be hard to move and we dont have anyone to replace him. Our bench will become younger with 2 first round picks coming.
You want us to become younger but you dont bring any solutions to our problems. You want Hennigan rebuild 2.0.

Who specifically said - “we need to be as young as possible”? Nobody.

It should be “we need to find a star level player as soon as possible”.

That means taking chances. You aren’t taking any risks by relying on Vuc, Fournier, and AG to barely .500 season. That also means trade value for elite players is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to attain in the current state of Orlando. Therefore, what is being proposed is searching for that player (while watching our youth develop) by any means necessary. That means trading vets with obvious ceilings for young players with untapped potential. Players that are buried on benches and haven’t been given opportunity along with a variety of draft picks to either be used or traded.

Hennigan acquired the majority of this roster you seem to be so content with. Vuc, Evan, Ross, AG are all Hennigan. You’re so scared of taking any steps back to be great, that you would rather be mediocre forever. That says a lot.

[zaymon]

And yet we are still reliant on 3 starters that have been on this roster for 5-7 years from a previously failed FO. The same players that aren’t exciting to watch nor capable of producing anything better than a bottom 10 offense.

Put your pitchfork and torch down. Convenient that the ones so against changing this roster only bring up our youth when it fits their agenda.

My agenda is us being a very good team for a very long time, so yes hopefully it fits my agenda.
I dont know what exactly you are proposing but right now our starting lineup age is
21/27/24/22/28 and our bench when Okeke returns 32/27/21/29/21 .
Where exactly you want to be younger ? We cant be younger at sg becouse we need experienced guard next to Fultz. We can try to flip Fournier but for who exactly ? Ross skill set with his size is quite rare also. We can trade Gordon which i would propably do, but i dont know if its wise before the offseason and we need a strong body to shield Isaac from contusion. Vucevic will be hard to move and we dont have anyone to replace him. Our bench will become younger with 2 first round picks coming.
You want us to become younger but you dont bring any solutions to our problems. You want Hennigan rebuild 2.0.

Who specifically said - “we need to be as young as possible”? Nobody.

It should be “we need to find a star level player as soon as possible”.

That means taking chances. You aren’t taking any risks by relying on Vuc, Fournier, and AG to barely .500 season. That also means trade value for elite players is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to attain in the current state of Orlando. Therefore, what is being proposed is searching for that player (while watching our youth develop) by any means necessary. That means trading vets with obvious ceilings for young players with untapped potential. Players that are buried on benches and haven’t been given opportunity along with a variety of draft picks to either be used or traded.

Hennigan acquired the majority of this roster you seem to be so content with. Vuc, Evan, Ross, AG are all Hennigan. You’re so scared of taking any steps back to be great, that you would rather be mediocre forever. That says a lot.

We are taking chances on Fultz, Bamba, Isaac, Okeke when he recovers, we will have our draft pick. Tell me who is this young player with untapped potential we can realistically aquaire ? I want real exemples not some invented players. I am ok with trading AG, i cant see any good trade for Fournier, Vucevic or Ross. Just admit you dont believe in Fultz and Isaac.

[VFX]

My agenda is us being a very good team for a very long time, so yes hopefully it fits my agenda.
I dont know what exactly you are proposing but right now our starting lineup age is
21/27/24/22/28 and our bench when Okeke returns 32/27/21/29/21 .
Where exactly you want to be younger ? We cant be younger at sg becouse we need experienced guard next to Fultz. We can try to flip Fournier but for who exactly ? Ross skill set with his size is quite rare also. We can trade Gordon which i would propably do, but i dont know if its wise before the offseason and we need a strong body to shield Isaac from contusion. Vucevic will be hard to move and we dont have anyone to replace him. Our bench will become younger with 2 first round picks coming.
You want us to become younger but you dont bring any solutions to our problems. You want Hennigan rebuild 2.0.

Who specifically said - “we need to be as young as possible”? Nobody.

It should be “we need to find a star level player as soon as possible”.

That means taking chances. You aren’t taking any risks by relying on Vuc, Fournier, and AG to barely .500 season. That also means trade value for elite players is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to attain in the current state of Orlando. Therefore, what is being proposed is searching for that player (while watching our youth develop) by any means necessary. That means trading vets with obvious ceilings for young players with untapped potential. Players that are buried on benches and haven’t been given opportunity along with a variety of draft picks to either be used or traded.

Hennigan acquired the majority of this roster you seem to be so content with. Vuc, Evan, Ross, AG are all Hennigan. You’re so scared of taking any steps back to be great, that you would rather be mediocre forever. That says a lot.

We are taking chances on Fultz, Bamba, Isaac, Okeke when he recovers, we will have our draft pick. Tell me who is this young player with untapped potential we can realistically aquaire ? I want real exemples not some invented players. I am ok with trading AG, i cant see any good trade for Fournier, Vucevic or Ross. Just admit you dont believe in Fultz and Isaac.

I believe in Fultz and Isaac. Do I see them as stars that will be intriguing enough to attract others to Orlando? Maybe. Will they even be top 10 in their positions? That’s another story entirely.

Your argument is that you think that this team has enough moving forward with its youth and that the future is currently on this roster. Then again, you probably also don’t believe some players aren’t holding others back...
I see some good developing players that could definitely benefit us moving forward that I see no reason for us to move. The others? Why not.

Yeah, let me just give you some examples of some players that haven’t been “found” yet to be star quality...lol makes sense. Oladipo was also terrible in OKC before he was given his opportunity in Indiana. Turned out pretty well for the Pacers.

[pepe1991]

Oladipo wasn't "terrible" anywhere. In his second season for Magic his raw numbers were better than any Magic prospect drafted after him.
During his "bad" season in OKC he averaged 16-4-3 .
His eFG of 51% on OKC would make him, on this roster- SECOND most effective Magic scorer

[zaymon]

Who specifically said - “we need to be as young as possible”? Nobody.

It should be “we need to find a star level player as soon as possible”.

That means taking chances. You aren’t taking any risks by relying on Vuc, Fournier, and AG to barely .500 season. That also means trade value for elite players is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to attain in the current state of Orlando. Therefore, what is being proposed is searching for that player (while watching our youth develop) by any means necessary. That means trading vets with obvious ceilings for young players with untapped potential. Players that are buried on benches and haven’t been given opportunity along with a variety of draft picks to either be used or traded.

Hennigan acquired the majority of this roster you seem to be so content with. Vuc, Evan, Ross, AG are all Hennigan. You’re so scared of taking any steps back to be great, that you would rather be mediocre forever. That says a lot.

We are taking chances on Fultz, Bamba, Isaac, Okeke when he recovers, we will have our draft pick. Tell me who is this young player with untapped potential we can realistically aquaire ? I want real exemples not some invented players. I am ok with trading AG, i cant see any good trade for Fournier, Vucevic or Ross. Just admit you dont believe in Fultz and Isaac.

I believe in Fultz and Isaac. Do I see them as stars that will be intriguing enough to attract others to Orlando? Maybe. Will they even be top 10 in their positions? That’s another story entirely.

Your argument is that you think that this team has enough moving forward with its youth and that the future is currently on this roster. Then again, you probably also don’t believe some players aren’t holding others back...
I see some good developing players that could definitely benefit us moving forward that I see no reason for us to move. The others? Why not.

Yeah, let me just give you some examples of some players that haven’t been “found” yet to be star quality...lol makes sense. Oladipo was also terrible in OKC before he was given his opportunity in Indiana. Turned out pretty well for the Pacers.

Ok so you dont know if our young players are worth investing and you want more young talent but you have no idea who that would be. So overall you want a change but you dont know why, dont know what and dont know when. You could spend some time and search for interesting trade scenarios for our veterans, or tell us what young players are catching your eyes. Right now you bring nothing to the discussion.

I am not opposed to making changes to our roster but they need to make sense. I see some interesting trades for Gordon, but i dont see it for Fournier. I also dont see any available young future star we could realistically aquaire so i dont write about it like you do.

[VFX]

We are taking chances on Fultz, Bamba, Isaac, Okeke when he recovers, we will have our draft pick. Tell me who is this young player with untapped potential we can realistically aquaire ? I want real exemples not some invented players. I am ok with trading AG, i cant see any good trade for Fournier, Vucevic or Ross. Just admit you dont believe in Fultz and Isaac.

I believe in Fultz and Isaac. Do I see them as stars that will be intriguing enough to attract others to Orlando? Maybe. Will they even be top 10 in their positions? That’s another story entirely.

Your argument is that you think that this team has enough moving forward with its youth and that the future is currently on this roster. Then again, you probably also don’t believe some players aren’t holding others back...
I see some good developing players that could definitely benefit us moving forward that I see no reason for us to move. The others? Why not.

Yeah, let me just give you some examples of some players that haven’t been “found” yet to be star quality...lol makes sense. Oladipo was also terrible in OKC before he was given his opportunity in Indiana. Turned out pretty well for the Pacers.

Ok so you dont know if our young players are worth investing and you want more young talent but you have no idea who that would be. So overall you want a change but you dont know why, dont know what and dont know when. You could spend some time and search for interesting trade scenarios for our veterans, or tell us what young players are catching your eyes. Right now you bring nothing to the discussion.

I am not opposed to making changes to our roster but they need to make sense. I see some interesting trades for Gordon, but i dont see it for Fournier. I also dont see any available young future star we could realistically aquaire so i dont write about it like you do.

So now you simply aren’t reading my replies? Cool.

The young players are worth investing. I already listed why there needs to be a change to the roster. I clearly know why. I don’t spend hours scouting and watching tape on every nba player because that’s not my job. I have watched nearly every Magic game though, so I know what we have and it hasn’t worked effectively for years. Fultz and Isaac have been the only two developments that have mattered.

I’m not going spend my time sifting through countless possible trade scenarios of players, to quantify every permutation, in order to try to convince someone that doesn’t want to be convinced.

Correct, AG would be the prime trade candidate. The other players would be more difficult to move and would make sense going to playoff teams or “fringe”. Yeah, clearly you wouldn’t actually suggest anything other than adding 2-5 more wins to a team with a ceiling.