Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[100proof]

Attach the MEM pick to Hayward for a couple of good role players that fit our need.

Why keep that pick? So that Ainge can draft another useless player? Move it on.

This is the short-term thinking that makes you trade a number 1 pick(Kyrie) for Mo WIlliams and Jamario Moon.

Ainge has done well for all of his picks in the top 10. This narrative that he doesn't get players post-lottery is lame and doesn't understand how the draft works.

Not sure I can agree completely woth that. History shows that danny has made some pretty sour draft picks.

I have no problem trading the boston and bucks 2020 firsts, but would like to hang onto memphis pick, and as dissappointed as I am in romeoa as a pick I wouldnt rush to trade him just yet either

[GoCeltics123]

Think I saw a rumour some time ago about Clippers bring interested in Baynes? How Bout we swoop in and get Zubac.

Boston out: Theis, bucks 1st
Boston in: Zubac

Clippers out: Zubac
Clippers in: Baynes, bucks 1st

Suns out: Baynes
Suns in: Theis

Clippers get Baynes + pick

Suns get a younger back-up for Ayton with one more year on his contract

Boston gets a bigger, younger starting center on a good contract

This is a better idea. Not huge on Zubac but if he's available, he'd fit.

[snowman]

IMO, we need to keep our 1-8 (Kimba, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Theis, Smart, Kanter, and Wannamaker) along with R. Williams, Langford, and G. Williams out of trades. We should be looking at what Semi, Poirier, Edwards, and Green along with all 3 firsts can get us. That's 6 mil is salary, and 3 firsts. We also need to be looking at shooters. We have the athletes, now we need guys like the Bucks have off the bench. Everyone of them last night was hitting 3;s.

[Captain_Caveman]

Attach the MEM pick to Hayward for a couple of good role players that fit our need.

Why keep that pick? So that Ainge can draft another useless player? Move it on.

This is the short-term thinking that makes you trade a number 1 pick(Kyrie) for Mo WIlliams and Jamario Moon.

Ainge has done well for all of his picks in the top 10. This narrative that he doesn't get players post-lottery is lame and doesn't understand how the draft works.

Not sure I can agree completely woth that. History shows that danny has made some pretty sour draft picks.

I have no problem trading the boston and bucks 2020 firsts, but would like to hang onto memphis pick, and as dissappointed as I am in romeoa as a pick I wouldnt rush to trade him just yet either

Celts have been top 5 in the league drafting under Ainge. ****, we even landed KG with a guy we drafted 15th. No less than three first team all defensive guys drafted 19th or later, including a 4-time all-star.

[Darth Celtic]

Team needs a trade

Or successful player development.

Time Lord has a great basketball body and the vision to make some snazzy passes. Can he learn to read things accurately at both ends of the court? If he does, he'll be a nice player to have on the court.

Tacko has amazing length and probably high schoolbook IQ. Can he learn to move with enough effectiveness to be a stud deender? It's certainly possible, and at that point he'd probably be a stud scorer as well.

Romeo's talent hasn't really been tested yet at the pro level.

If those three guys develop as we hope, much of what people hope to accomplish via trades will be taken care of anyway. And if the Jays continue to develop, we could have the needed star power too.

People who expect a trade this year to push us to a championship this year are also out of touch with reality. Sometimes the best path forward is not making a trade and developing. What if we keep all the picks and get lucky with one of the 3 picks next year and we add that late pick all star to the team. What if Waters and Fall end up being top 9 rotational players.

I'm all for trading Green/Semi/Poirier, and maybe a late pick for a guy on more than a 1 year deal who can add to the rotation, but otherwise let the young kids develop. I was mad that Langford didn't play last night in a blow out, but in the end Brad is still smarter than me, we came back and had a chance still in that game after being down 27.

[snowman]

I'm all for trading Green/Semi/Poirier, and maybe a late pick for a guy on more than a 1 year deal who can add to the rotation, but otherwise let the young kids develop. I was mad that Langford didn't play last night in a blow out, but in the end Brad is still smarter than me, we came back and had a chance still in that game after being down 27.[/quote]


To Detroit:
Mil 2020 1st round pick
Vincent Poirier
26 year old, 7-0, C
Semi Ojeleye
25 year old, 6-7, SF

From Detroit:
Markieff Morris
30 year old, 6-10, PF
Svi Mykhailiuk
22 year old, 6-8, SF

To Golden State:
Boston 2020 1st round pick
Carsen Edwards
21 year old, 6-1,G

From Golden State:
Alec Burks
28 year old, 6-6, SF

Boston gets Burks (36.7% from 3, 15.9 pts), Morris ( 39.6 from 3, 10.9 pts) and Mykhailiuk (43.4 from 3, 7.8 pts), for bench help at the cost of Edwards, Semi, and Poirier and 2 late firsts that we really don't have room for next season. Burks is a FA, Morris has a P/O ioption for 3.3 mil, and Mykhailiuk had a T/O for 1.7 mil next year.

GSW loses Burks, but gets a late first, and Edwards, who is signed for a couple more season on a rookie contract, to learn behind Curry.

Detroit loses a vet in Morris, and a promising young guy in Mykhailiuk, but get a project 7'0 in Poirier, who is signed to a decent contract next year, and defensive wing in Semi on a team option next year, and a late first.

[100proof]

This is the short-term thinking that makes you trade a number 1 pick(Kyrie) for Mo WIlliams and Jamario Moon.

Ainge has done well for all of his picks in the top 10. This narrative that he doesn't get players post-lottery is lame and doesn't understand how the draft works.

Not sure I can agree completely woth that. History shows that danny has made some pretty sour draft picks.

I have no problem trading the boston and bucks 2020 firsts, but would like to hang onto memphis pick, and as dissappointed as I am in romeoa as a pick I wouldnt rush to trade him just yet either

Celts have been top 5 in the league drafting under Ainge. ****, we even landed KG with a guy we drafted 15th. No less than three first team all defensive guys drafted 19th or later, including a 4-time all-star.

Not a chance top 5 drafting under danny.

[Curmudgeon]

I want to win a championship this year, not in 2023. I will gladly give the Memphis pick and Romeo Langford (Edwards too) for players who might put them over the top this year, so long as there is no long-term salary commitment.

I have little interest in moving Ojeleye. He was decent on Giannis last night (as he usually is), and his defense was one of the reasons why the Celtics were able to get back into the game.

As for Hayward, he has little value around the league, and frankly, he's not playing very well at either end. Trade him before he has a chance to opt in to the least year of his deal.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Not sure I can agree completely woth that. History shows that danny has made some pretty sour draft picks.

I have no problem trading the boston and bucks 2020 firsts, but would like to hang onto memphis pick, and as dissappointed as I am in romeoa as a pick I wouldnt rush to trade him just yet either

Celts have been top 5 in the league drafting under Ainge. ****, we even landed KG with a guy we drafted 15th. No less than three first team all defensive guys drafted 19th or later, including a 4-time all-star.

Not a chance top 5 drafting under danny.

I'd like to see how Ainge has done the past 10 years. Jefferson, Tony Allen, Delonte West, Perkins and Rondo were drafted nearly 15 years ago. Yes, Ainge nailed the Tatum and Brown pick, but has not done well outside the top 6 for a while.

[Bleeding Green]

It's really hard to rate drafts, but this is the best analysis I've found: http://thedataface.com/2019/06/sports/best-drafting-nba-teams

You still get issues like LeBron being a huge net-positive pick for the Cavs, despite that being the most obvious draft pick in the history of the NBA. And the Pelicans rank higher than the Celtics despite their only good picks being Chris Paul and Anthony Davis. Literally anyone could have picked Anthony Davis. And the Heat rank high despite having so few picks and also flunking on Michael Beasley. Imagine the outrage if Ainge flubbed a top-3 pick. Sixers are up there in the top-10 and have blown multiple top-10 picks in the last decade. I would personally rank them near the bottom in terms of what they got out of their picks. Just abysmal stuff. Basically I think everyone sucks at drafting so just get as many picks as you can.

Disagree with the methodology or whatever, but it's a nicely visualized layout of the past 20 drafts.

[ddb]

The Gordon Hayward era in Boston just hasn't quite worked out for reasons beyond control. Sometimes you just need to look yourself in the mirror and move on. Hayward signed in Boston to be their best all-around player complimenting Horford, IT, and the emerging young cast that featured Jaylen Brown and then Rookie Jayson Tatum. Then the Kyrie deal happened.....then the injury happened and everything changed. EVERYTHING. Tatum/Brown have since emerged. This just isn't the same team anymore. Hayward is sorta the odd man out....is he good? yes. Can it work? probably. But he's had a tough few years here. Has anyone ever considered that maybe Gordon Hayward would be super receptive to a fresh start elsewhere? I keep thinking about Indiana. Hayward is from Indiana....He could be dealt there in a package that could make sense for Boston....Hayward could opt out and sign a long-term deal to finish out career at home....plus Indy would be good. not a bad situation from GH after a rough go of it in Boston

[sam_I_am]

The Gordon Hayward era in Boston just hasn't quite worked out for reasons beyond control. Sometimes you just need to look yourself in the mirror and move on. Hayward signed in Boston to be their best all-around player complimenting Horford, IT, and the emerging young cast that featured Jaylen Brown and then Rookie Jayson Tatum. Then the Kyrie deal happened.....then the injury happened and everything changed. EVERYTHING. Tatum/Brown have since emerged. This just isn't the same team anymore. Hayward is sorta the odd man out....is he good? yes. Can it work? probably. But he's had a tough few years here. Has anyone ever considered that maybe Gordon Hayward would be super receptive to a fresh start elsewhere? I keep thinking about Indiana. Hayward is from Indiana....He could be dealt there in a package that could make sense for Boston....Hayward could opt out and sign a long-term deal to finish out career at home....plus Indy would be good. not a bad situation from GH after a rough go of it in Boston

We aren’t winning this year. The early season success had a lot to do with easy schedule and hope that we would be better with Smart and Hayward healthy isn’t panning out. Trades with this year in mind that include Memphis pick or Langford are pointless.

Is Hayward part of long term plan? Is he making a difference now? No and no. Gotta trade him if a good deal emerges.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

The Gordon Hayward era in Boston just hasn't quite worked out for reasons beyond control. Sometimes you just need to look yourself in the mirror and move on. Hayward signed in Boston to be their best all-around player complimenting Horford, IT, and the emerging young cast that featured Jaylen Brown and then Rookie Jayson Tatum. Then the Kyrie deal happened.....then the injury happened and everything changed. EVERYTHING. Tatum/Brown have since emerged. This just isn't the same team anymore. Hayward is sorta the odd man out....is he good? yes. Can it work? probably. But he's had a tough few years here. Has anyone ever considered that maybe Gordon Hayward would be super receptive to a fresh start elsewhere? I keep thinking about Indiana. Hayward is from Indiana....He could be dealt there in a package that could make sense for Boston....Hayward could opt out and sign a long-term deal to finish out career at home....plus Indy would be good. not a bad situation from GH after a rough go of it in Boston

Here is my fear, at least for this season - if we trade Hayward, who is going to be the playmaker on this team? Who is going to create shots for others besides Marcus Smart? It can't be Tatum, because he dribbles too much. It can't be Brown, because it's an adventure when he bounces that ball more than 3 times, and it can't be Kemba, because he is primarily a scorer. Even if we were to deal Hayward for, say, a guy like Myles Turner, then we now have a "Your turn, my turn" offense again. I wouldn't mind making a trade over the summer, because I think Tremont Waters will be a fine backup next year, but right now, in the middle of the season? No thanks, unless we've got another deal lined up for a playmaker.

[StojkoVrankovic]

Since we are all making assumptions, how about this? Hayward doesn't want to uproot his family and resigns on a much friendlier team deal in the off season like we expected Horford to do last season

Nobody is trading for a guy who has a player option next season

[CelticFaninLBC]

The MEM pick is looking to be in the 10-16 range in a pretty meh draft. If you watch any college basketball this year, there's not a lot to get excited about. If Boston can add a starter, by using the MEM pick, with other assets, then do it.

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics don't need to move Hayward in my opinion. Celtics do need to pick up a couple of vets for the bench if they want to make some noise for the playoffs in my opinion. Guys like Burks, WCS, Markieff Morris, Saric, Bjelica, Bertans and many others should be available.

Langford, Edwards, Waters, Fall, Green, G Williams, R Williams etc. are all players for next year not the playoffs.

Getting a couple of vets would go a long way for the Celtics. Going to be tough though.

[Bleeding Green]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6azon8g

Who says no?

[100proof]

The Gordon Hayward era in Boston just hasn't quite worked out for reasons beyond control. Sometimes you just need to look yourself in the mirror and move on. Hayward signed in Boston to be their best all-around player complimenting Horford, IT, and the emerging young cast that featured Jaylen Brown and then Rookie Jayson Tatum. Then the Kyrie deal happened.....then the injury happened and everything changed. EVERYTHING. Tatum/Brown have since emerged. This just isn't the same team anymore. Hayward is sorta the odd man out....is he good? yes. Can it work? probably. But he's had a tough few years here. Has anyone ever considered that maybe Gordon Hayward would be super receptive to a fresh start elsewhere? I keep thinking about Indiana. Hayward is from Indiana....He could be dealt there in a package that could make sense for Boston....Hayward could opt out and sign a long-term deal to finish out career at home....plus Indy would be good. not a bad situation from GH after a rough go of it in Boston

Here is my fear, at least for this season - if we trade Hayward, who is going to be the playmaker on this team? Who is going to create shots for others besides Marcus Smart? It can't be Tatum, because he dribbles too much. It can't be Brown, because it's an adventure when he bounces that ball more than 3 times, and it can't be Kemba, because he is primarily a scorer. Even if we were to deal Hayward for, say, a guy like Myles Turner, then we now have a "Your turn, my turn" offense again. I wouldn't mind making a trade over the summer, because I think Tremont Waters will be a fine backup next year, but right now, in the middle of the season? No thanks, unless we've got another deal lined up for a playmaker.

Here is a novel thought. How about utilizing one of the fastest guards in the league in a pick and role where he is primary distributor.

Offense like the raptors for example.

[SmartWentCrazy]

The Gordon Hayward era in Boston just hasn't quite worked out for reasons beyond control. Sometimes you just need to look yourself in the mirror and move on. Hayward signed in Boston to be their best all-around player complimenting Horford, IT, and the emerging young cast that featured Jaylen Brown and then Rookie Jayson Tatum. Then the Kyrie deal happened.....then the injury happened and everything changed. EVERYTHING. Tatum/Brown have since emerged. This just isn't the same team anymore. Hayward is sorta the odd man out....is he good? yes. Can it work? probably. But he's had a tough few years here. Has anyone ever considered that maybe Gordon Hayward would be super receptive to a fresh start elsewhere? I keep thinking about Indiana. Hayward is from Indiana....He could be dealt there in a package that could make sense for Boston....Hayward could opt out and sign a long-term deal to finish out career at home....plus Indy would be good. not a bad situation from GH after a rough go of it in Boston

Here is my fear, at least for this season - if we trade Hayward, who is going to be the playmaker on this team? Who is going to create shots for others besides Marcus Smart? It can't be Tatum, because he dribbles too much. It can't be Brown, because it's an adventure when he bounces that ball more than 3 times, and it can't be Kemba, because he is primarily a scorer. Even if we were to deal Hayward for, say, a guy like Myles Turner, then we now have a "Your turn, my turn" offense again. I wouldn't mind making a trade over the summer, because I think Tremont Waters will be a fine backup next year, but right now, in the middle of the season? No thanks, unless we've got another deal lined up for a playmaker.

Bradley Beal when we trade Jaylen for him this summer.

[Bleeding Green]

The Gordon Hayward era in Boston just hasn't quite worked out for reasons beyond control. Sometimes you just need to look yourself in the mirror and move on. Hayward signed in Boston to be their best all-around player complimenting Horford, IT, and the emerging young cast that featured Jaylen Brown and then Rookie Jayson Tatum. Then the Kyrie deal happened.....then the injury happened and everything changed. EVERYTHING. Tatum/Brown have since emerged. This just isn't the same team anymore. Hayward is sorta the odd man out....is he good? yes. Can it work? probably. But he's had a tough few years here. Has anyone ever considered that maybe Gordon Hayward would be super receptive to a fresh start elsewhere? I keep thinking about Indiana. Hayward is from Indiana....He could be dealt there in a package that could make sense for Boston....Hayward could opt out and sign a long-term deal to finish out career at home....plus Indy would be good. not a bad situation from GH after a rough go of it in Boston

Here is my fear, at least for this season - if we trade Hayward, who is going to be the playmaker on this team? Who is going to create shots for others besides Marcus Smart? It can't be Tatum, because he dribbles too much. It can't be Brown, because it's an adventure when he bounces that ball more than 3 times, and it can't be Kemba, because he is primarily a scorer. Even if we were to deal Hayward for, say, a guy like Myles Turner, then we now have a "Your turn, my turn" offense again. I wouldn't mind making a trade over the summer, because I think Tremont Waters will be a fine backup next year, but right now, in the middle of the season? No thanks, unless we've got another deal lined up for a playmaker.

Here is a novel thought. How about utilizing one of the fastest guards in the league in a pick and role where he is primary distributor.

Offense like the raptors for example.

Kemba Walker runs pick and roll more often than anyone on the Raptors. He's 8th in the NBA in PnR ballhandler possessions per game. I have no idea why teams don't spam PnR more often unless the three other guys on the court would just be crying or something. Just run PnR every possession and you would win like 80 games.