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[nbakid123]

So does Ramona Shelburne work for the clippers now?

Yup

[iamworthy]

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I wanted Crabbe

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[snaquille oatmeal]

I don’t know what Raptor and pimps bpm are

[Landsberger]

I know what those stats are..... they are completely irrelevant. They are all rearward looking situational stats and are not predictive in any way. To toss them out as some gauge of how a player fits into a system misses the entire methodology behind their creation. If anyone is taking them to mean that Covington would somehow be predicted to be a better player than the others on the list based on the stat they aren't understanding how statistics, dependent variables, independent variables and predictive analytics works.

[stan francisco]

One trade we could get done (for those who want to trade dump Kuzma when he makes < $2M), is for Bogdanovic. Luke loves Kuz. What filler to make the money work, is the question.

That and his PIPM. Lol. I’d like to know what they are.

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Caruso number 4 in all star votes ahead of Westbrook and Steph lol

[Worst_to_First]

I remember getting ridiculed here when I said BI will be the next Kawhi.

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I wish you guys kept him instead of Kuz.

[tugs]

BI is an offensive weapon, there was no denying that. It's always been the fit that was the main concern. He needs the ball to be effective and he can't have that with LeBron and Rondo. Add the fact that trading him increases the likelihood of getting a generational talented big in AD (also fills a glaring need at the frountcourt) and there was no way FO can say no that.

BI>Kuz hands down one on one. Fit? Kuz for sure.

[Dr Aki]

I remember getting ridiculed here when I said BI will be the next Kawhi.

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I wish you guys kept him instead of Kuz.

Look at the players in the trade, the Lakers needed to make it a legal above the cap trade and Ingram's salary was a necessary part of the trade

[Kilroy]

Watching those clips, Ingrams at least a half step quicker now. I just love watching him play. That fluidity is a thing of beauty. Like Clyde or Dr J.

[Worst_to_First]

I remember getting ridiculed here when I said BI will be the next Kawhi.

Watch on YouTube

I wish you guys kept him instead of Kuz.

Look at the players in the trade, the Lakers needed to make it a legal above the cap trade and Ingram's salary was a necessary part of the trade

From what I remember Lakers had the cap space that time to take on the additional salary that comes with AD.

The rationale for putting Ingram there instead of Kuz is to be able to create that max space in order to lure Kawhi in. Unfortunately that didn’t pay off but at least Rob was able to recover and sign guys like Danny Green etc.

Under a scenario where Kuz was included and BI was kept the effect would be you guys wouldn’t have signed Avery Bradley.

Am still rooting for you guys to get the chip this year but having a trio of LeBron, AD and BI would have made the Lakers unstoppable.

[Dr Aki]

I remember getting ridiculed here when I said BI will be the next Kawhi.

Watch on YouTube

I wish you guys kept him instead of Kuz.

Look at the players in the trade, the Lakers needed to make it a legal above the cap trade and Ingram's salary was a necessary part of the trade

From what I remember Lakers had the cap space that time to take on the additional salary that comes with AD.

The rationale for putting Ingram there instead of Kuz is to be able to create that max space in order to lure Kawhi in. Unfortunately that didn’t pay off but at least Rob was able to recover and sign guys like Danny Green etc.

Under a scenario where Kuz was included and BI was kept the effect would be you guys wouldn’t have signed Avery Bradley.

Am still rooting for you guys to get the chip this year but having a trio of LeBron, AD and BI would have made the Lakers unstoppable.

we would have still signed avery bradley, because bradley was signed with the room MLE

without ingram in the deal, davis would've been absorbed into cap space, and that precluded a run at kawhi.

there is no scenario where LA voluntarily takes themselves out of the running for kawhi

[Slava]

In a few years we're going to be clearing cap space to welcome Ingram back.

[Slava]

For your entertainment

Minny/LAL Ingram/Covington

I think the Wolves are looking to win, therefore better off keeping Cov and avoiding BI.

Covington is currently the better player (by a fairly large margin) and is signed for 3 years after this season at a bargain rate. Ingram only has one year left on his rookie deal and still hasn't shown all that much. I don't see any way the Wolves give up an elite 3-and-D guy on a good contract for a player whose value is largely unproven upside.

Maybe it’s me, but I don’t see Ingram as having as much trade value as Covington.

I expected to see more from him by now. Even if he demonstrates it at the end of this season, he will be extension eligible this summer, and has only one more year for rookie scale. Covington is locked up on a good deal for 3.5 years.

Eh, Lakers have a better record than the Wolves, and Saric is really only shooting well from 3 with the Wolves this year. I'd also say control and volume of shots factor. I have Kuz as a little more valuable. Enough to offset the difference between Ingram and Cov.

I am trying to see how Ingram is a good fit for Minnesota. Towns already shoots the three pointer better than Wiggins and adding another wing that isn't even at the Wiggins level on three point shooting would hurt spacing.

Even an expanded trade that includes Kuzma still has spacing problems and the defense isn't going to be improved.

The force is strong with this one.

I don’t think the general public realizes how much better roco makes us over Butler...

and this

RoCo >>>>> Ingram

ROCO >>>>>> Ingram. Please keep Roco. Avoid Ingram at all costs. Let him rot in LA.

Brandon Ingram vs Bogdan Bogdanovic

Bogdan is a more useful player and is likely going to get paid less. I'm struggling to see any arguments for Ingram other than the false allure of potential.

Depending on how Ingram's season goes and his health is, he may not be in the top 2 RFAs. Teams may prefer Beasley or Saric. Hell, maybe even Royce O'Neale. There's just a real concern Ingram will never be able to be relied upon and he's still almost all potential on top of that.

Based on what I expect each to get paid next off-season I would take Bogdanovic as being the better value.

Never change RealGM.

[Worst_to_First]

Look at the players in the trade, the Lakers needed to make it a legal above the cap trade and Ingram's salary was a necessary part of the trade

From what I remember Lakers had the cap space that time to take on the additional salary that comes with AD.

The rationale for putting Ingram there instead of Kuz is to be able to create that max space in order to lure Kawhi in. Unfortunately that didn’t pay off but at least Rob was able to recover and sign guys like Danny Green etc.

Under a scenario where Kuz was included and BI was kept the effect would be you guys wouldn’t have signed Avery Bradley.

Am still rooting for you guys to get the chip this year but having a trio of LeBron, AD and BI would have made the Lakers unstoppable.

we would have still signed avery bradley, because bradley was signed with the room MLE

without ingram in the deal, davis would've been absorbed into cap space, and that precluded a run at kawhi.

there is no scenario where LA voluntarily takes themselves out of the running for kawhi

Ah I see about AB.

Putting yourselves in the Kawhi sweepstakes was of course understandable. Hindsight is 20/20. What is sad here is if Kawhi and the Clippers made you guys believe you were in the running as a delaying tactic for the FA market to have dried up.

[Slava]

From what I remember Lakers had the cap space that time to take on the additional salary that comes with AD.

The rationale for putting Ingram there instead of Kuz is to be able to create that max space in order to lure Kawhi in. Unfortunately that didn’t pay off but at least Rob was able to recover and sign guys like Danny Green etc.

Under a scenario where Kuz was included and BI was kept the effect would be you guys wouldn’t have signed Avery Bradley.

Am still rooting for you guys to get the chip this year but having a trio of LeBron, AD and BI would have made the Lakers unstoppable.

we would have still signed avery bradley, because bradley was signed with the room MLE

without ingram in the deal, davis would've been absorbed into cap space, and that precluded a run at kawhi.

there is no scenario where LA voluntarily takes themselves out of the running for kawhi

Ah I see about AB.

Putting yourselves in the Kawhi sweepstakes was of course understandable. Hindsight is 20/20. What is sad here is if Kawhi and the Clippers made you guys believe you were in the running as a delaying tactic for the FA market to have dried up.

I don't think Clippers had anything to do with it. Him and Uncle Dennis were playing both LA teams. Clippers barely even had the time to negotiate on Paul George and eventually had to end up trading the farm for him. There's reason to doubt if George is going to be better than SGA in a season or two.

[Duke4life831]

Watching those clips, Ingrams at least a half step quicker now. I just love watching him play. That fluidity is a thing of beauty. Like Clyde or Dr J.

Ya he may look the same physically, but he definitely is playing like he is a little more athletic and stronger this year. He does seem to have much greater success at getting past his man, I dont know if its all just because they have to play his jumper with more respect this year, but he really has no problem getting past his initial man now a days.

[kblo247]

Watching those clips, Ingrams at least a half step quicker now. I just love watching him play. That fluidity is a thing of beauty. Like Clyde or Dr J.

He is not half a step quicker. He’s just doing what made Rashard Lewis break out, he’s playing stretch 4 this year. As a rookie 3 he had one of the worst years of a top pick there was. He struggled year 2 and missed games playing as a full time starting 3. Then he was a negative last year when they tried him as a sg, as he wasn’t a positive defending the spot at all.

This year because Zion got hurt he’s playing small 4 like Marion, Lewis, Odom, Walker before him and he’s excelling on offense. His defense is ass though at the spot. What will be telling is when Zion comes back and he moves to sf and his first step is too slow for a 2 and 3 like it’s been shown to be three years.

Plus the stoner twig putting up numbers while losing in a contract year seems like a trap. He and Zo are both more likely to be out post all star break than they are helping the team win games. Hart is due for his injury too he usually gets to miss a fourth the year

[stan francisco]

I remember getting ridiculed here when I said BI will be the next Kawhi.

Watch on YouTube

I wish you guys kept him instead of Kuz.

Look at the players in the trade, the Lakers needed to make it a legal above the cap trade and Ingram's salary was a necessary part of the trade

From what I remember Lakers had the cap space that time to take on the additional salary that comes with AD.

The rationale for putting Ingram there instead of Kuz is to be able to create that max space in order to lure Kawhi in. Unfortunately that didn’t pay off but at least Rob was able to recover and sign guys like Danny Green etc.

Under a scenario where Kuz was included and BI was kept the effect would be you guys wouldn’t have signed Avery Bradley.

Am still rooting for you guys to get the chip this year but having a trio of LeBron, AD and BI would have made the Lakers unstoppable.

Yes. But that wasn’t an option. If, if, if. If Smash Parker played defense we wouldn’t have dumped him and we wouldn’t have signed MWP six years later...

And if Kuz played like he did last year, we’d be looking almost equally unbeatable now as if with BI. He’s by far the better solo player, impact player of the two. Especially defensively, if you watch that end. Kuzma has nothing on BI besides one thing: eye of the tiger killer instinct. Kuz can get very streaky and finish off a tight game. He’s clutch.

Look, I wanted to keep BI and Hart and LB and Kuz while adding AD. They asked for BI. And now the world outside Lakers fandom are realizing how great he is and, to boot, telling us how we should’ve kept BI.

Yay.