Trade Thread Part Deux

[Curmudgeon]

Would we consider Kevin Love and Sexton or Garland for Hayward and Wannamaker?

No.

Neither would Cleveland.

LOL, Cavs management would think they had died and gone to heaven if the Celtics offered that deal. Love's horrible contract is a millstone around their rebuilding necks, and he generates an occasional win that is unwelcome for a team looking to score in the draft.

[Curmudgeon]

This Celtics team has four problems: it's too young, it's a little too small, it lacks consistent three point shooting and there are too many nights when Hayward doesn't produce. That's one reason why they fall behind early and why they have to defend their butts off to win. They've been great at doing that, but over a long season it takes its toll, and sometimes you just have to tip your hat when other teams shoot 50+ percent from beyond the arc.

This team also has some real positives: two great young wings and a solid veteran point guard, a scrappy defense led by Smart, unselfishness and a very good coach.

I'm not sure how they can fix some of the problems without also subtracting from the positives. That's why Ainge gets the big bucks.

[snowman]

This Celtics team has four problems: it's too young, it's a little too small, it lacks consistent three point shooting and there are too many nights when Hayward doesn't produce. That's one reason why they fall behind early and why they have to defend their butts off to win. They've been great at doing that, but over a long season it takes its toll, and sometimes you just have to tip your hat when other teams shoot 50+ percent from beyond the arc.

This team also has some real positives: two great young wings and a solid veteran point guard, a scrappy defense led by Smart, unselfishness and a very good coach.

I'm not sure how they can fix some of the problems without also subtracting from the positives. That's why Ainge gets the big bucks.

Would anyone be interested in bringing back IT4 to be our bench PG ? He could be our vet to lead the bench with Smart. We could get him for Edwards or Green. I'm not sure Edwards is gonna amount to anything. At least IT4 can score. This helps 2 of your 4 issues. Changing out one guy whose 5'8 for one 5'10. Gives the bench another vet leader, (Wannamaker has been off lately it seams) and IT4 is pretty consistent 3 point shooter.

[zoyathedestroya]

Andrew McCeltic **** dominated the wall. Holy hell, what a performance.

Has anyone seen 100proof and Andrew in the same room at the same time?

[robdog_5]

Give up a pick to sac along with some bodies to pick up the shooter Bjelica. (Porier, Ojeyle and Mil pick)

Then I'd also try to do a deal with someone with either a 2nd rd pick and tie it with Edwards maybe to get Alec Burks or Glen Robinson III from GSW or possibly Mcrae from Wizards as a shooter off bench

Gives you a much deeper team and allows for guys to rest or replace mins for guys who get injured/sick.

Let's say you get Robinson and Bjelica.

All the sudden the bench looks a lot more ready.

Kanter/RWilliams
Bjelica/GWilliams
Robinson
Smart
Wanamaker


Pull up Waters to take that roster hole

Come playoff time
Walker 35 mins
Tatum 35 mins
Brown 34 mins
Hayward 32 mins
Smart 32 mins
Theis 20 min
Bjelica 22 min
Kanter 18 min
Robinson 14 min

[Mr Loggins]

No.

Neither would Cleveland.

LOL, Cavs management would think they had died and gone to heaven if the Celtics offered that deal. Love's horrible contract is a millstone around their rebuilding necks, and he generates an occasional win that is unwelcome for a team looking to score in the draft.

Why would the cavs give up sexton or garland for cap space? They wouldn’t.

sometimes ya gotta look at a trade from the other teams point of view.

[zoyathedestroya]

Give up a pick to sac along with some bodies to pick up the shooter Bjelica. (Porier, Ojeyle and Mil pick)

Then I'd also try to do a deal with someone with either a 2nd rd pick and tie it with Edwards maybe to get Alec Burks or Glen Robinson III from GSW or possibly Mcrae from Wizards as a shooter off bench

Gives you a much deeper team and allows for guys to rest or replace mins for guys who get injured/sick.

Let's say you get Robinson and Bjelica.

All the sudden the bench looks a lot more ready.

Kanter/RWilliams
Bjelica/GWilliams
Robinson
Smart
Wanamaker


Pull up Waters to take that roster hole

Come playoff time
Walker 35 mins
Tatum 35 mins
Brown 34 mins
Hayward 32 mins
Smart 32 mins
Theis 20 min
Bjelica 22 min
Kanter 18 min
Robinson 14 min

Yes to all of this except the part about bringing up Waters. Can't waste a year of his rookie contract just for emergency depth purposes in the playoffs where he most likely won't play. Just pick up the best vet you can get from buyout market. I like Robinson. He's got good size and can shoot well from outside.

[Curmudgeon]

I don't see anyone useful being available on the buyout market, with the possible exception of Trevor Ariza. And there is no assurance that any player will, in fact, be bought out. Certainly the Grizz are playing hardball with Igoudala. They aren't going to hand him to the Lakers without compensation.

[100proof]

Still loving getting dieng and covington from minny.

Not sure if hayward goes strsight there or is rerouted though another team.

My current thought on it is:

Hayward amd puck to golden state-ideal small forward to pair with curry and thompson.

Russell, looney, poirier and semi to minny.
Wolves get their guy and add some cheap depth

Dieng, covington, burkes, bates diop to boston.
Adds far more depth and a very capable center who would thrive under stevens.

Kemba/smart
Brown/burke
Tatum/bares diop
Covington/theis
Dieng/kanter

[zoyathedestroya]

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Probably won't help with his trade value. Something to consider for those including him in fake trades.

[Parliament10]

The only ones that I see as worthy of trading is Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Poirier, and Hayward.
These are all bottlenecks.

I'd keep the remaining 11, and the Two-Ways, going past the Trade Deadline.
Who we would get to replace some of those player slots, is another idea entirely.


Post-Deadline Rotation:
Kemba - Brown - Tatum - Theis - Kanter
Smart - Edwards - Langford - G. Williams - R. Williams
Green -

Two-Ways = Waters - Fall

[Celts17Pride]

Walker, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Theis, Langford, G Williams, R Williams are keepers. The last 3 of Langford and the two Williams are for next year.

Wanamaker, Green, Kanter, Ojeleye, Edwards, Poirier and all three first round picks can be moved if it makes the Celtics better this season and in the future.

My opinion

[Dogen]

Neither would Cleveland.

LOL, Cavs management would think they had died and gone to heaven if the Celtics offered that deal. Love's horrible contract is a millstone around their rebuilding necks, and he generates an occasional win that is unwelcome for a team looking to score in the draft.

Why would the cavs give up sexton or garland for cap space? They wouldn’t.

sometimes ya gotta look at a trade from the other teams point of view.

I looked up Love's albatross contract and discovered I was wrong in thinking it is a year longer than Hayward's. It's two, which is significant. So yeah, it partially depends on how high they are on Sexton and Garland. If it's heavenly deal for them they must already be giving up on their recent lotto picks.

From the Celtics side, it's intriguing, but must consider if a core of mostly maxed-out players f Kemba, Tatum, Brown and Love is enough to get it done. That team along with the current bench, rookie contracts, a few journeyman vets, and a bevy of picks would be the team's future for the next few years since most of salary would be taken.

Haven't really seen much of Cleveland this year (no surprise) but Love seems to have some game left. I can't see Sexton working with the C's at all, but I recall some noise that Danny likes Garland. It's too early to tell with Garland. He's really been overshadowed by Ja Morant from the last draft, for good reason, maybe Danny sees a potential future starter or star in him.

So it's close but no cigar for me, as it seems to be a water tread move, unless Garland is the real deal. Now, if The Cavs really ARE interested, and have a wink wink deal with Danny to get Thompson to Boston as well by waiving/buying him out at deadline so Boston can pick him up, then it looks like a significant upgrade (granted, I'm not clear how this works). Add that GS deal of Carsen Edwards + future 2nds for Alec Burkes and that's a team that can go places.

Thompson/Love/Tatum/Brown/Walker
Kanter-Theis/Grant/Burks/Smart/Garland

+ Timelord, Langford, Green, Ojeleye and Waters/Tacko up in Maine

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics trade Ojeleye, Edwards and Bos 2020 1st to Nuggets for Malik Beasley

Celtics trade Green and Mil 2020 1st to Golden St for Alec Burks

Walker, Smart, Wanamaker
Brown, Beasley, Langford
Hayward, Burks
Tatum, G Williams, Poirier
Theis, Kanter, R Williams

1 Open roster spot for a buyout

Young players for next year: Langford, G Williams, R Williams, Waters, Fall and Memphis pick

RFA: Beasley (protection for Hayward leaving)

UFA: Burks, Hayward (PO), Kanter (PO)

Bring on the playoffs!!!!!!!!!

[djFan71]

Oh yeah I love it, but I love Grant Williams and Smart more and a marginal improvement to this roster isn't worth losing Grant and getting and older player.

I probably treat Grant as too much of a throw in. I like his game, moxy, etc, but am hung up on the size. I just don't see ever truly regretting letting him go. If he's PJ Tucker in 3 years, great, but, I'm not killing myself over it.

But, yeah, hopefully that package could bring back more than just RoCo, just not seeing anything out there. I bet if put this on the MIN board, they'd turn it down too.

At least we got to talk about non-Hayward trades for a bit.

The thing with Grant is that he’s unreal defensively. His on/off and impact metrics are exceptional on that end for a rookie. His offense is gross, but he has a lot of tools and is worth the patience.

He's great at positioning and help and anticipation and everything. Super smart player. But, with his size, i think he has a defined ceiling as a great role player. So, I'm not opposed to trading him. Not necessarily the RoCo deal or anything, but he's an option to send out. Numbers-wise, I feel like Olynyk had the same thing, so I think they overstate Grant's true impact a little. Esp when you factor in minutes, playing against bench guys mainly, etc.

[VeryMuchWoke]

TF people want Covington for?

Smart for Covington is a massive downgrade. Grant for Covington is a bad idea.

[K For Three]

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Probably won't help with his trade value. Something to consider for those including him in fake trades.

Gif of the day again.

[zoyathedestroya]

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Probably won't help with his trade value. Something to consider for those including him in fake trades.

Gif of the day again.

I'll try to post more CHAMPIONSHIPS! even as we keep losing games. Gotta keep the cheery attitude through tough times. Our boys need our support and belief!

[Roddy]

Smart is not the defender he used to be. He has been torched a lot this season.
Theis is a good backup, not a starter.
I like Gordon, but it's time to move on.

Favors / Kanter / Rob
Tatum / Grant
Brown / Semi
Holiday / Redick
Kemba / Wanamaker

[Marvel]

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Probably won't help with his trade value. Something to consider for those including him in fake trades.

. Like i said before we're stuck with him for better or for worse.