Fake Trade Thread 2

[Rays Pompadour]

We won't be anywhere near the 8 seed. I guess we will land around the 5th worst record. We have had no major injuries other than Batum and that's meh.

On a side note i wish there was a way to sign or land Brandon Ingram and draft Anthony Edwards.

Look at who we are competing against though. Isaac was Orlando's best player. We are only 3 games out of the 8th seed.

Detroit is looking to blow it up and not in contention for 8. Chicago is one of the youngest teams and real streaky.

So, who is better than us that can get the 8th spot? You add an upgrade by trading MKG & Monk or something similar and we're right there. You really think MJ is going to embrace a tank when we are so close to the 8th seed and making some of that playoff $$$$?

It's ironic, but I think that the team's odds of making the playoffs this year are better than last year, especially if they make a trade to do so.

I'm sure MJ would like that, but I also get the feeling he's more hands off with Mitch than he was with Cho/Cliff. I also feel like Mitch will not do anything crazy to pivot to win now. If there is a trade that lets the team keep developing and doesn't put them in a financial bind then he'll do it. If not then he will just let this season play out as is.

Spot on. Mitch must develop nose-blindness to the saliva-generating whaff of "playoffs." It's the same reason you don't go to the grocery store hungry. Trading a developmental player (Miles Bridges) for a piece that pushes a playoffs narrative doesn't fit in the plan for growing through development and drafting. I hope the Hornets stick with it.

That said, they need a center that can rim protect and generate space. Risky to ignore that fact in the name of development.

[316Hornets]

We need to see what type of interest for Rozier there is. He's playing too good for us to tank completely but not good enough to get us in the playoffs. I'd trade him for a couple draft picks and a bad contract.

[NYG]

Biyombo, MKG and Cavs 2020 2nd for Andre Drummond?

[DY_nasty]

Biyombo, MKG and Cavs 2020 2nd for Andre Drummond?

no dude is a fake stats monster

[Liver_Pooty]

Rozier is still young enough to be apart of our little rebuild. In my opinion.

[Diop]

I am always overly aggressive for change and often wrong, but I'd like to shop everyone not named Graham, Washington or Martin.

Not give them away, but see what they can get. I honestly have don't have a huge amount of hope for Miles and Monk.

They've both looked completely lost on team defence at times and I don't think they have the smarts to really improve that area.

I see Miles peaking at Gerald Green and Monk as a poor mans Ben Gordon

[bravor]

For my part i know i would keep Monk and try to develp him as 6th men. With enough 3D around him, i guess he could afford a few mistakes without much consequences. The same cannot be said with Miles since at this position you need to have a decent/physical wing to win your match up.

Cody Martin proved he could be some kind of Allen light player. 'Just' need to add a decent physical wing (ideally some isaac profile) to defend on bigger wings but it should be through draft imo, there is no emergency.

But i 100% agree about your statement. This team could be fun and already competitive next year with good complementing pieces (a reliable scoring sg and above all a more than decent center). Then you have 2021 free agency with Batum/Cody off the books to fix the team most glaring weaknesses, knowing some new potential unicorn will be available by then (i know we have one in Wembanyama).

[Rich4114]

Our best building blocks are PJ and Devonte. I’d trade Terry in a heartbeat as his game does not improve others around him. He’s an empty stats guy if you ask me. Can hit the occasional big shot and has value for the right team. Trade him while his value is at an all time high.

PJ will likely improve next year and the year after. He’s shown that he’s a smart player, can shoot from
Anywhere on the floor and already has vet post moves. Devonte is clearly our PG of the future, he just needs to work on his ability to finish around the rim.

Miles and Monk are at a crossroads. This team should explore what they’re worth but if nothing notable can come back then continue to develop them. I still have hope for Monk because of his ability to finish and create. If he could improve his 3pt shot and range, it’d make a huge difference. IMO miles is worse on defense than Monk and if he didn’t give us a highly block every now and then we’d consider him the worst defender on the team.

Let’s hope we finally get lottery luck this time.

[Hornet Mania]

Biyombo, MKG and Cavs 2020 2nd for Andre Drummond?

That's a price I might be willing to pay just to see what happens. I'm not a big believer in Drummond but there's no doubt he's a MASSIVE upgrade over Biz/Zeller/Willy. The only thing that makes me hesitate is that Mitch has done well drafting in the 2nd round.

[Soul Rebel]

Biyombo, MKG and Cavs 2020 2nd for Andre Drummond?

This makes us too good this year and he's a potential FA that if we don't land our big man, is still an option this summer.

However, I do think Biz is one of our most valuable assets to a contender.

[luciano-davidwesley]

Keep the Cavs second rounder. It’s almost like a late first round pick without the first round guaranteed salary.

[Robot Rock]

I'd trade him for a couple draft picks and a bad contract.

The absolute last thing this franchise needs is to take on another bad contract. It would be nice to be competitive sometime this decade and trading players for bad contracts, then waiting out the bad contracts only to trade more players for more bad contracts creates a situation where the team never improves, it only compounds its mistakes.

[DY_nasty]

I'm really hoping for more of the little things. We NEED a third PG. We also shouldn't end this season without bringing in another young wing and center to give an extended tryout too.

[bravor]

Napier is FA at the end of the season (and he is not having a good one but he should be able to bounce back), it might be a nice target to fill this need (along Noel for the frontcourt who is also FA).

It's kinda disappointing that Hornet's can't get any asset from their expirings this year. I still hope Batum's expiring (if he picks up his option) will bring a good enough 1st for Kupchak, unless he no longer 'plays for his life' in contract year.

[Rays Pompadour]

There may have been a day when expiring contracts were wildly attractive, but not so much anymore that the league as a whole is out of cap space. The main benefit of an expiring is for tax relief purposes, but the cost of getting out of tax problems is usually a draft pick or a young player. Few of those situations exist right now. If the Hornets want to gain from trading away an expiring contract, they should expect to have to take back a contract of equal value with added years. The price of the added year(s) is usually the draft pick or young player. Straight swaps are even rarer.

The best move is to keep the three expiring contracts and let them expire, then use the caps space in 2020-2021 to facilitate other trades or acquire other assets (free agents) or cash. That said, the Hornets still need a center, and it'd be great if they could get one today.

[DY_nasty]

There may have been a day when expiring contracts were wildly attractive, but not so much anymore that the league as a whole is out of cap space. The main benefit of an expiring is for tax relief purposes, but the cost of getting out of tax problems is usually a draft pick or a young player. Few of those situations exist right now. If the Hornets want to gain from trading away an expiring contract, they should expect to have to take back a contract of equal value with added years. The price of the added year(s) is usually the draft pick or young player. Straight swaps are even rarer.

The best move is to keep the three expiring contracts and let them expire, then use the caps space in 2020-2021 to facilitate other trades or acquire other assets (free agents) or cash. That said, the Hornets still need a center, and it'd be great if they could get one today.

yep.

I'm not sure what the rush is. We're not going anywhere for a while. Developing cheap young guys and being patient while honest with all assessments is our plan for this year and the next at the very least.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I don't view making moves now as a rush. The team should be making the moves that improve it when they are available and make sense.

I don't mind moving guys for picks and slightly longer contracts.
I don't mind trading for guys who fit better.
I wouldn't mind a crazy lopsided trade that in the team's favor.

I don't think that the team is 'tanking' in the sense that Cho did. Sure they aren't good, but the goal is long term improvement and you get that by doing good moves all the time.

[Soul Rebel]

We really need to stay the course for this season and not bring in any contracts that adds to our cap figure, nor a player that improves us away from a top-5 draft pick.

We are 1 year away from making our serious move towards being a player in the East. Only players under contract heading into the summer of 2021 are:

Rozier
Bridges
Washington
Martin 1
Martin 2
McDaniels

This gives us a cap number of ~ $33M on an estimated cap max of $125M => ~$92M in cap space!

We will have already extended Graham by this point, so let's say he gets $25-30M/yr, we are still looking at
$64M in cap space to land that young vet piece that we are lacking.

Biggest move we need to make between now and the 2020-21 season, is doing everything we can to secure either Wiseman, Edwards or Ball in the draft. 2021 has some potential big free agents if teams don't try to re-sign their own. I'm not including LBJ, Giannis, Paul George... but players like AD, Gobert and Oladipo could hit the market.

Graham
Oladipo
Bridges
Washington
Wiseman

Graham
Edwards
Bridges
Washington
Gobert

[Snidely FC]

From MIke Schmitz article on young trade targets who could thrive on a new team:

Ntilikina would be most valuable as a 3-and-D off-guard/wing who can play some second-side pick-and-roll. If the right team looks at him through that lens, it will see real value in the tough, rangy defender who doesn't turn 22 until July, making him younger than NBA rookies De'Andre Hunter, Rui Hachimura, Matisse Thybulle and Brandon Clarke. Prospects standing 6-foot-5 with a 7-foot wingspan and the ability to guard three positions like Ntilikina does are rare. Plus, Ntilikina's value on the trade market likely never will be lower.

As opposed to the role he currently is playing on a Knicks team full of hungry scorers, Ntilikina would be much more valuable in a winning environment where defense and basketball IQ are praised. A situational causality of sorts, Ntilikina might never live up to his No. 8 draft pick status, but landing in a spot that accentuates his strengths and dims his weaknesses could go a long way in turning his career around.

I would trade Monk for Ntilikina

[Bassman]

From MIke Schmitz article on young trade targets who could thrive on a new team:

Ntilikina would be most valuable as a 3-and-D off-guard/wing who can play some second-side pick-and-roll. If the right team looks at him through that lens, it will see real value in the tough, rangy defender who doesn't turn 22 until July, making him younger than NBA rookies De'Andre Hunter, Rui Hachimura, Matisse Thybulle and Brandon Clarke. Prospects standing 6-foot-5 with a 7-foot wingspan and the ability to guard three positions like Ntilikina does are rare. Plus, Ntilikina's value on the trade market likely never will be lower.

As opposed to the role he currently is playing on a Knicks team full of hungry scorers, Ntilikina would be much more valuable in a winning environment where defense and basketball IQ are praised. A situational causality of sorts, Ntilikina might never live up to his No. 8 draft pick status, but landing in a spot that accentuates his strengths and dims his weaknesses could go a long way in turning his career around.

I would trade Monk for Ntilikina

Totally agree...a good trade for both teams. Would certainly help us but also reset the midget backcourt that needs some work.