2020 NBA Draft

[clyde21]

Green is a T1 guy for me, he has pretty decent shot versatility even if it's not going in right now, can guard 1 and 2s easily and is an underrated passer too IMO...won't be a star but he'll be a solid for a long time

[King Ken]

Josh Green's motor on both ends, but especially on defense, is a joy to behold. There aren't many players out there that play with this kind of intensity so consistently. It's the main reason I have him ranked so close to Anthony Edwards even though Green is less talented/gifted.

It's definitely promising. I think offensively, his game is pretty rudimentary and lacks a lot of polish, in terms of skill-set, but he has feel and good physical attributes, good touch, and the form on the jumper isn't broken, though a bit cumbersome. He's not much of an offensive player right now but I think there's potential if he keeps working on his skill-set.

He's just one of many in this class who have 3/D potential but will likely need the G-League. This is a very promising draft if you plan to use the G-League for development.

[Illmatic12]

Josh Green's motor on both ends, but especially on defense, is a joy to behold. There aren't many players out there that play with this kind of intensity so consistently. It's the main reason I have him ranked so close to Anthony Edwards even though Green is less talented/gifted.

I'm a fan of Green as well.. he's gonna have a long career because every single team would love to have that type of player, literally all 30 teams. But up there with Edwards? Its hard for me to get there..

Beware of drafting a player who's best skill is "defense" or "motor" unless they can defend across a wide swath of positions.. Josh Green, assuming he's mostly done growing doesn't look like someone who can defend bigger wings. If he was a bit bigger , like Okoro-sized I would view him as possible top 5 in this class. But his frame kinda brings it down for me.

The comp that comes to mind is a solid role player in Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (about the same size, but coming out of UGA Pope was also like, way more athletic and had an aggressively high motor on both ends, higher blk/stl% rates etc). The thing is KCP always shot a ton of threes ,the threat of his quick trigger release is what gives him positive offensive value. I worry that Green's selective 3pt shooting is going to hurt him at the next level. Coaches aren't gonna find too much use for a 3&D guard who's shooting low 30s or passing up open threes in the flow of the offense.. and if the opposing team's best player isn't a SG (which is rare nowadays), then his services may not be needed on a regular basis.

[nolang1]

Whenever people are talking about 3-D wings, I don't get how Devin Vassell is just hiding in plain sight. He's a freshman-aged sophomore (just 3 months older than Green) who was efficient last year and then upped his efficiency in a larger role. 2.4 blocks and 1.7 steals per 40 this year combined with shooting 40% on threes for his college career is about as 3-D as it gets at this level, and I'd say the box score stats underrate him since his team defense (maybe the best of any prospect in this draft) is better than his individual defense.

[MemphisX]

Whenever people are talking about 3-D wings, I don't get how Devin Vassell is just hiding in plain sight. He's a freshman-aged sophomore (just 3 months older than Green) who was efficient last year and then upped his efficiency in a larger role. 2.4 blocks and 1.7 steals per 40 this year combined with shooting 40% on threes for his college career is about as 3-D as it gets at this level, and I'd say the box score stats underrate him since his team defense (maybe the best of any prospect in this draft) is better than his individual defense.

He is one of the guys I am sure could be in the playoff rotation of a team in the future. Which in this draft is more valuable than in most drafts. He is likely a non-lottery guy in most years but in this draft, he could go higher.

[shakes0]

i like Paul Reed more and more every time I watch him

I was at the game Saturday. He was the best player on the court by far. Butler had no answer for him.

[shakes0]

The most impressive thing I saw all weekend was Scottie Lewis doing a no hands back spring off the floor on the baseline. Guy may not know how to play basketball, but he's got a future in Cirque de Solei if he so chooses.

[MotownMadness]

The most impressive thing I saw all weekend was Scottie Lewis doing a no hands back spring off the floor on the baseline. Guy may not know how to play basketball, but he's got a future in Cirque de Solei if he so chooses.

Lol, i caught that

[Duke4life831]

The most impressive thing I saw all weekend was Scottie Lewis doing a no hands back spring off the floor on the baseline. Guy may not know how to play basketball, but he's got a future in Cirque de Solei if he so chooses.

Lol, i caught that

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[BlazersBroncos]

Scottie Lewis is like a SG version of Darius Miles. Absolute freak beanpole athlete.

[TheScout31]

Curious where y'all stand on Wiseman.

I've posted my thoughts on him on the Knicks board and people weren't happy with what I had to say, so I stopped lol. Quick summary of my thoughts:
- Poor awareness / ball-watches a lot. When his man is involved in an off ball screen, he ignores the main action (and the main receiving the screen) to focus on his guy.
- Poor in PnR coverage, both in communication, recovering, and angles taken
- Slow/heavy feet (though hips aren't terrible)
- Questionable shot selection going back to EYBL
- Clogs paint to the point where he's often just standing there while someone is trying to drive
- Hands aren't very good in tight areas (including contested rebounds)
- Long and athletic (nice gravity/roller), but he is a slow leaper
- Gazelle in straight lines
- Solid rim protector when he sees the play
- Reason to buy some range expansion
- Monster on glass / active

[King Ken]

Not enough is said about Oscar Tshiebwe. He is two years away but he is the first big I've seen in awhile with Ben Wallace potential. Maybe ever. No, I did it last year to Zion defensively.

[King Ken]

Curious where y'all stand on Wiseman.

I've posted my thoughts on him on the Knicks board and people weren't happy with what I had to say, so I stopped lol. Quick summary of my thoughts:
- Poor awareness / ball-watches a lot. When his man is involved in an off ball screen, he ignores the main action (and the main receiving the screen) to focus on his guy.
- Poor in PnR coverage, both in communication, recovering, and angles taken
- Slow/heavy feet (though hips aren't terrible)
- Questionable shot selection going back to EYBL
- Clogs paint to the point where he's often just standing there while someone is trying to drive
- Hands aren't very good in tight areas (including contested rebounds)
- Long and athletic (nice gravity/roller), but he is a slow leaper
- Gazelle in straight lines
- Solid rim protector when he sees the play
- Reason to buy some range expansion
- Monster on glass / active

Tyrus Thomas with NBA center size
A poor man's young David Robinson
Hassan Whiteside out of Marshall with a lot more NBA readiness than Whiteside and size at that stage.

He will appeal to teams but I like about 5 centers in this draft for winning than Wiseman. Talent wise, he's the best in the draft for a center.

[King Ken]

Scottie Lewis is like a SG version of Darius Miles. Absolute freak beanpole athlete.

That's not a bad one. Lewis too has tremendous natural talent.

[clyde21]

Lewis is an NBA player stuck playing college ball, you're talking about a physical freak of an athlete that runs like a horse, is legit a day 1 multi-position defender in the NBA...his offense isn't where you want it to be right now obviously but he's a dude you put on a the court to guard 1-3 and just run/hit open 3s on offense until the other pieces for him offensively come together

[clyde21]

Not enough is said about Oscar Tshiebwe. He is two years away but he is the first big I've seen in awhile with Ben Wallace potential. Maybe ever. No, I did it last year to Zion defensively.

Big O is a top 6 or 7 guy for me in this class and the #1 big, think he comes back tho

[Justwar]

Not enough is said about Oscar Tshiebwe. He is two years away but he is the first big I've seen in awhile with Ben Wallace potential. Maybe ever. No, I did it last year to Zion defensively.

Big O is a top 6 or 7 guy for me in this class and the #1 big, think he comes back tho

He'll be 21 next year, he'll go pro. But I'm not taking a 6'8" center without some shooting skill. I wonder if it's Huggins system however because konate was impressive over his time but he didn't even get looks.

[Justwar]

Curious where y'all stand on Wiseman.

I've posted my thoughts on him on the Knicks board and people weren't happy with what I had to say, so I stopped lol. Quick summary of my thoughts:
- Poor awareness / ball-watches a lot. When his man is involved in an off ball screen, he ignores the main action (and the main receiving the screen) to focus on his guy.
- Poor in PnR coverage, both in communication, recovering, and angles taken
- Slow/heavy feet (though hips aren't terrible)
- Questionable shot selection going back to EYBL
- Clogs paint to the point where he's often just standing there while someone is trying to drive
- Hands aren't very good in tight areas (including contested rebounds)
- Long and athletic (nice gravity/roller), but he is a slow leaper
- Gazelle in straight lines
- Solid rim protector when he sees the play
- Reason to buy some range expansion
- Monster on glass / active

Tyrus Thomas with NBA center size
A poor man's young David Robinson
Hassan Whiteside out of Marshall with a lot more NBA readiness than Whiteside and size at that stage.

He will appeal to teams but I like about 5 centers in this draft for winning than Wiseman. Talent wise, he's the best in the draft for a center.

I just don't see the d upside. He's not a freak athlete, he's really not incredibly coordinated. His offense is good, he'll block shots but he won't defend overall well

[TheScout31]

Curious where y'all stand on Wiseman.

I've posted my thoughts on him on the Knicks board and people weren't happy with what I had to say, so I stopped lol. Quick summary of my thoughts:
- Poor awareness / ball-watches a lot. When his man is involved in an off ball screen, he ignores the main action (and the main receiving the screen) to focus on his guy.
- Poor in PnR coverage, both in communication, recovering, and angles taken
- Slow/heavy feet (though hips aren't terrible)
- Questionable shot selection going back to EYBL
- Clogs paint to the point where he's often just standing there while someone is trying to drive
- Hands aren't very good in tight areas (including contested rebounds)
- Long and athletic (nice gravity/roller), but he is a slow leaper
- Gazelle in straight lines
- Solid rim protector when he sees the play
- Reason to buy some range expansion
- Monster on glass / active

Tyrus Thomas with NBA center size
A poor man's young David Robinson
Hassan Whiteside out of Marshall with a lot more NBA readiness than Whiteside and size at that stage.

He will appeal to teams but I like about 5 centers in this draft for winning than Wiseman. Talent wise, he's the best in the draft for a center.

I just don't see the d upside. He's not a freak athlete, he's really not incredibly coordinated. His offense is good, he'll block shots but he won't defend overall well

Don't even think his offense is good. He was incredibly inefficient in AAU (with bad shot selectiono) and was only efficient in college because of him being essentially a paint big (and dominating tiny teams), though he did take a few jumpers (including some post fades that looked smooth and did a nice job turning away from DTs, but he had the mismatch). He's always thought he was a unicorn, which worries me a bit. Not a passer, either. I just don't think he's talented. Good rim runner, but agree with him not being a freak athlete - takes him a while to load.

Issues concerning his footwork, D in space (especially PnR), awareness (though improved from AAU).

[King Ken]

Tyrus Thomas with NBA center size
A poor man's young David Robinson
Hassan Whiteside out of Marshall with a lot more NBA readiness than Whiteside and size at that stage.

He will appeal to teams but I like about 5 centers in this draft for winning than Wiseman. Talent wise, he's the best in the draft for a center.

I just don't see the d upside. He's not a freak athlete, he's really not incredibly coordinated. His offense is good, he'll block shots but he won't defend overall well

Don't even think his offense is good. He was incredibly inefficient in AAU (with bad shot selectiono) and was only efficient in college because of him being essentially a paint big (and dominating tiny teams), though he did take a few jumpers (including some post fades that looked smooth and did a nice job turning away from DTs, but he had the mismatch). He's always thought he was a unicorn, which worries me a bit. Not a passer, either. I just don't think he's talented. Good rim runner, but agree with him not being a freak athlete - takes him a while to load.

Issues concerning his footwork, D in space (especially PnR), awareness (though improved from AAU).

We gotta stop calling one shoe tournament AAU. EYBL is just one tournament as is Peach Jam. They play a lot more games during the AAU season