Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Packers Talking Extension with Aaron Jones

stillgotgame · Post #81 » by **stillgotgame** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:22 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:Speed at linebacker has to be the priority. San Fran was so much faster than us it was ridiculous. As others have said this has been a weakness of ours for years.
How bad must Oren Burkes look in practice? He's fast but for whatever reason they really don't trust him.

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Great question. Was so excited when he didn’t need surgery, yet he couldn’t get on the field.
Clearly Martinez is gone. I don’t get how the coaching staff can’t see that he’s physically overmatched for such a big role? The way the defense is run this has to be a special player. Burks at least looked like he has the speed.

Kerb Hohl · Post #82 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:22 pm

Trade our entire draft for the 49ers team sports psychologist so that we can learn to have better body language and to "want it."

Post #83 » by **Jollay** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:52 pm

The way to go with Blake is "gosh, we'd love to resign him, but he was second in the league at tackles. Not sure we can afford him."

And then pray some team is dumb. But honestly, I rag on the guy as much as anyone, if he is cool with like three million a year and he's our second ILB, I can probably live with that.

CWoodfan · Post #84 » by **CWoodfan** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:34 pm

stillgotgame wrote:Speed at linebacker has to be the priority. San Fran was so much faster than us it was ridiculous. As others have said this has been a weakness of ours for years.

You literally could have said the same thing after the 2012 playoff debacle when Kap went off on us.

Or you could have said it after the 2014 NFC Championship loss to Seattle.

Or after the 2016 NFC Championship loss to Atlanta.

There is no hiding an AJ Hawk, Jake Ryan, or Blake Martinez against good teams and Martinez was better than the losers who played next to him like Morrison last year and Goodson this season.

Slow inside linebackers and poor defense have been a Packers calling card for about a decade now.

Gutey needs to rectify the situation just like he did at outside linebacker last offseason or we'll be saying the same things about the D heading into 2021.

Post #85 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:42 pm

sdn40 wrote:If you want to blame Rodgers for aging - so be it. He's the same age as Favre was for the infamous Giants playoff game. But I think it's unfair to expect the same production we've seen in the past with fewer weapons than he's had in a decade, all while aging. Give him some help or build a Top 5 defense. Blaming him is easy - and stupid.

Favre was actually two years older than A-Rod for the January 2008 Giants NFC title game. And Favre by that point had a lot more miles and hits on him, as A-Rod really didn't start as full time QB until age 25.

Think there is nuance to the A-Rod discussion. I don't blame him for yesterday. But at the same time, to win we need him to be prime A-Rod. He's not that anymore and hasn't been for the last two years. And that's not coming back.

Sure, he's still capable of having great games every now and then. But this team is going to have to live with him in the game manager QB role, while getting more playmakers on the team.

tski1972 · Post #86 » by **tski1972** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:43 pm

let the Jake Fromm era begin.

Post #87 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:47 pm

CWoodfan wrote:
Slow inside linebackers and poor defense have been a Packers calling card for about a decade now.

Gutey needs to rectify the situation just like he did at outside linebacker last offseason or we'll be saying the same things about the D heading into 2021.

Agreed. The linebacking (I view the Smiths as DL) core has always been a mess. Clay covered it up, but once he lost his burst a few years back, it completely fell apart.

Ayt · Post #88 » by **Ayt** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:50 pm

stillgotgame wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:Speed at linebacker has to be the priority. San Fran was so much faster than us it was ridiculous. As others have said this has been a weakness of ours for years.
How bad must Oren Burkes look in practice? He's fast but for whatever reason they really don't trust him.

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Great question. Was so excited when he didn’t need surgery, yet he couldn’t get on the field.
Clearly Martinez is gone. I don’t get how the coaching staff can’t see that he’s physically overmatched for such a big role? The way the defense is run this has to be a special player. Burks at least looked like he has the speed.

Burks has looked like a guy who probably doesn't belong in the NFL from what I've seen, unfortunately. He has no awareness.

PintSizedBox10 · Post #89 » by **PintSizedBox10** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:04 pm

CWoodfan wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:Speed at linebacker has to be the priority. San Fran was so much faster than us it was ridiculous. As others have said this has been a weakness of ours for years.

You literally could have said the same thing after the 2012 playoff debacle when Kap went off on us.

Or you could have said it after the 2014 NFC Championship loss to Seattle.

Or after the 2016 NFC Championship loss to Atlanta.

There is no hiding an AJ Hawk, Jake Ryan, or Blake Martinez against good teams and Martinez was better than the losers who played next to him like Morrison last year and Goodson this season.

Slow inside linebackers and poor defense have been a Packers calling card for about a decade now.

Gutey needs to rectify the situation just like he did at outside linebacker last offseason or we'll be saying the same things about the D heading into 2021.

We’ve been building our defense from the outside in for years.

Yes, I understand we aren’t picking in the top 10 but when you’ve spent your top selection on defense 8 consecutive drafts you can’t be as bad as they’ve been when it matters most.

4 DBs in R1. 4DBs in R2. Kind of crazy right?

Clark is the last interior lineman we’ve taking in the first two rounds since Worthy in 2012.

And like you said, ILB has been put on the back burner going back to the TT era. Mid-late picks supplanted by UDFAs. Zero FA acquisitions to help in this area.

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JimmyTheKid · Post #90 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:18 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:

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WeekapaugGroove · Post #91 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:23 pm

I wouldn't bring Blake back and they absolutely need to address ILB.

But some perspective, the Vikings have the best MLB/S combo in the NFL and also got gashed by this 49er run game. Kendricks is as good as it gets and it didn't matter.

Now like everything else in the NFL teams will eventually figure out how to slow that scheme down. Hopefully sooner than later.

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PintSizedBox10 · Post #92 » by **PintSizedBox10** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:42 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I wouldn't bring Blake back and they absolutely need to address ILB.

But some perspective, the Vikings have the best MLB/S combo in the NFL and also got gashed by this 49er run game. Kendricks is as good as it gets and it didn't matter.

Now like everything else in the NFL teams will eventually figure out how to slow that scheme down. Hopefully sooner than later.

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The Packers gave up 100 more rushing yards than Minnesota on 5 less attempts. While bad they weren’t even close to how bad we were

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WeekapaugGroove · Post #93 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:52 pm

PintSizedBox10 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I wouldn't bring Blake back and they absolutely need to address ILB.

But some perspective, the Vikings have the best MLB/S combo in the NFL and also got gashed by this 49er run game. Kendricks is as good as it gets and it didn't matter.

Now like everything else in the NFL teams will eventually figure out how to slow that scheme down. Hopefully sooner than later.

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The Packers gave up 100 more rushing yards than Minnesota on 5 less attempts. While bad they weren’t even close to how bad we were

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Oh I find it hard to believe that anything has ever been as bad as that performance by the pack lol

My point was more it's not as simple as get a fast and good ILB and everything will be fine.

I'm all for more speed everywhere but I also think Pettine (or his replacement) need to have some answers for the few teams that can run like that. I also think playing more DBs and focusing on the pass is the right move against the majority of teams but you need a **** plan B for the outlyer run teams.

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M-C-G · Post #94 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:00 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:

Read on Twitter

Jesus Effing Christmas

This is some bull, at least for this season, given Rodgers couldn't sustain a drive, couldn't hang on to the football, and our punter apparently couldn't punt.

Rodgers is the most overpaid player in the league, and it showed. He also, as far as I am concerned doesn't seem to follow the playcalls and/or know the playbook as well as I would expect, because I can not figure out why he is just literally not seeing guys that are open on the routes and/or taking sacks the way he takes them.

He is THE problem with this team right now. I was mocked for suggesting trading him a little over a year ago, and I am pretty sure at least half those that mocked me would go back in time and trade him, they see it too. He is THE problem

Post #95 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:05 pm

Rodgers is THE problem? Come on now lol.

CWoodfan · Post #96 » by **CWoodfan** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:15 pm

PintSizedBox10 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I wouldn't bring Blake back and they absolutely need to address ILB.

But some perspective, the Vikings have the best MLB/S combo in the NFL and also got gashed by this 49er run game. Kendricks is as good as it gets and it didn't matter.

Now like everything else in the NFL teams will eventually figure out how to slow that scheme down. Hopefully sooner than later.

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The Packers gave up 100 more rushing yards than Minnesota on 5 less attempts. While bad they weren’t even close to how bad we were

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And Kendricks had an INT and a pass breakup.

I get it that Martinez seems like "Packer People," but we previously overpaid another #50 to provide a decade of **** inside linebacker play that got us nowhere in the playoffs.

Time to let some other team get suckered into overpaying Martinez given his athletic limitations that are only going to become more pronounced as he ages.

M-C-G · Post #97 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:16 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Rodgers is THE problem? Come on now lol.

Most definitely he is THE problem. You can reference his TD:INT ratio, but I know you are a skilled enough fan to see the drive killing plays where he takes sacks, he extends plays that result in holding, and he throws the ball where no one has a chance to make the catch.

I understand this is a very unconventional opinion but I see what I see, and the rest of you will too if Rodgers doesn't grow next year.

PintSizedBox10 · Post #98 » by **PintSizedBox10** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:20 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
PintSizedBox10 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I wouldn't bring Blake back and they absolutely need to address ILB.

But some perspective, the Vikings have the best MLB/S combo in the NFL and also got gashed by this 49er run game. Kendricks is as good as it gets and it didn't matter.

Now like everything else in the NFL teams will eventually figure out how to slow that scheme down. Hopefully sooner than later.

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The Packers gave up 100 more rushing yards than Minnesota on 5 less attempts. While bad they weren’t even close to how bad we were

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Oh I find it hard to believe that anything has ever been as bad as that performance by the pack lol

My point was more it's not as simple as get a fast and good ILB and everything will be fine.

I'm all for more speed everywhere but I also think Pettine (or his replacement) need to have some answers for the few teams that can run like that. I also think playing more DBs and focusing on the pass is the right move against the majority of teams but you need a **** plan B for the outlyer run teams.

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Oh I agree. I don’t care how bad our players are, if your opponent hammers you while only dropping back to pass 8 times something is very very wrong with your scheme/game plan.

I think I’m just extra sour because we’ve seen this same song and dance before with the Pack.

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Kerb Hohl · Post #99 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:38 pm

M-C-G wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:Rodgers is THE problem? Come on now lol.

Most definitely he is THE problem. You can reference his TD:INT ratio, but I know you are a skilled enough fan to see the drive killing plays where he takes sacks, he extends plays that result in holding, and he throws the ball where no one has a chance to make the catch.

I understand this is a very unconventional opinion but I see what I see, and the rest of you will too if Rodgers doesn't grow next year.

I don't think anyone is going to argue that Rodgers has taken a turn in his career due to age or whatever but these are the worst takes ever for one reason:

Go out on a tougher limb than basically saying, "if we don't win the Super Bowl, I'm right." Because that's basically what you've set up here.

M-C-G · Post #100 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:43 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:Rodgers is THE problem? Come on now lol.

Most definitely he is THE problem. You can reference his TD:INT ratio, but I know you are a skilled enough fan to see the drive killing plays where he takes sacks, he extends plays that result in holding, and he throws the ball where no one has a chance to make the catch.

I understand this is a very unconventional opinion but I see what I see, and the rest of you will too if Rodgers doesn't grow next year.

I don't think anyone is going to argue that Rodgers has taken a turn in his career due to age or whatever but these are the worst takes ever for one reason:

Go out on a tougher limb than basically saying, "if we don't win the Super Bowl, I'm right." Because that's basically what you've set up here.

I'm not understanding your point, so maybe you aren't understanding mine. Let me try again, Rodgers is an ELITE TALENT, particularly with regard to TD:INT ratio. I am saying despite this fact, he is holding this team back and we had a 13-3 record in spite of him.

I don't know how much further of a limb I can got out on than that. Doesn't bother me if other people don't see it yet, but we should have either gone the route of Tennessee or San Fran a year ago, or Rodgers should have bought into the system, which to even the most casual of fans, they seem to see he has not.