Sixers are worse without Embiid (duh) but wait there's more

[Tanks1]

34 points, 12 rebounds, 12 assists, five steals, two blocks

But, he doesn't shoot threes.......

We gotta trade ben Simmons as soon as possible...LOL

[sfernald]

34 points, 12 rebounds, 12 assists, five steals, two blocks

But, he doesn't shoot threes.......

We gotta trade ben Simmons as soon as possible...LOL

Pls get rid of this guy. He’s killing us! Trade him for 2nd rounders if you have... Boston fans are right on base as usual here..

[PhilBlackson]

Fire Brown, trade Simmons for a legit 2nd scoring option that can also space the floor and PHI will be deadly.

To everyone has been hating on Simmons this season:

Foff

LOL @ you!

Feel free to bump this come Playoff time when Ben curls up in the corner when teams force Ben to hit his 2nd three of the season.

[Tanks1]

Green is at best an average 3pt shooter even while left ridiculously open by NBA standards. However, he was for the most part a willing shooter enough to keep the defense honest just enough to make that team work offensively. Simmons, on the other hand, shouldn't even be categorized as a bad 3pt shooter or bad shooter. He is so much worse. He is so bad/scared/unwilling he's incapable of even attempting shots (not just 3s) and he shies away from situations that can put him at the charity stripe. I think Simmons, unless major changes, is one of the most overrated players in the NBA and will be a fatal flaw for a team with championship aspirations.

right. Which is why I said the Simmons/Draymond same team pairing wouldn't work.

Simmons is a massive upgrade on Green (he’s a bigger, faster and more skilled version) and D’Lo ( have you seen them play against each other?)

Warriors should attempt to dump Russell on the Sixers and trade Green for pieces

Assuming Klay and Steph make it back to previous levels, they’re instantly favourites

Hey, i agree with you guys ...lets trade simmons for DLO.....

Haha Haha Haha...get the FOH.


10, 9, 8, 76ers!!!!!

[GeorgeMarcus]

Sixers 4-0 since I posted this. Easy schedule or not, I think I deserve some credit

New season, same old story... 21-10 (56-win pace) with Embiid and 4-6 (33-win pace) without Embiid. I could use this as more material to prop up my lord and savior, but I'm gonna take a different route this time: Brett Brown has got to go.

If Scott freaking Brooks can trot out the G League Wizards and look competitive, there should be no reason Brown can't salvage mediocrity (at a minimum) with Simmons/J Rich/Tobias/Horford. This isn't a new phenomenon or reactionary take. It was the same story last year going 8-10 with Simmons/Redick/Butler/Tobias.

Even when Embiid plays, we're consistently awful out of timeouts and have no sense of structure within the offense. How can we not blame the coach knowing all that we know? I like the guy- I really do- but enough is enough. He had to know his ass was on the line when the Sixers committed to win-now mode. My only worry is that his rapport with the FO will cloud their judgement and prevent them from making the right decision.

To answer the question that will inevitably arise: yes, I'm willing to gamble on an unproven coach in the event of a Brown firing. I get that it's slim pickens right now when it comes to known commodities, but it's better to take a risk on someone new than cling to a losing formula.

I think we agree on many Sixer-related things, but is a new coach really going to solve fit issues? What would Billy Donavon, Greg Popp, or Scottie "sixer-for-life" Brooks do differently?

Certainly, a different coach would have different expectations of players which could result in better chemistry and possibly wins, too.

You cited plays out of time outs as one of your chief areas of disapproval, but Brown's play calls are not the problem. Not always, anyway. Execution by personnel is the issue. Not gonna lie, Stevens, Snyder, Kerr, and to lesser extents Budd and Nurse could probably get more from time outs and breaks... But they can't make the ball go in.

The organization is stuck right now. Even outsiders like me know Philly peeps loyal af, so Ben and Jo and BB all got stakes in the future there claimed. And the three have pasts that intertwine.

Maybe you could be more specific about what you think another coach could do playcalling-wise with their present roster. Certainly, more P&R with Jo. Maybe pick and roll Toby/Trey or other 2/3 or 3/4 combos. Your boy Mattisse has demonstrated some range and could work as both pick and pop or rolling, but his finishing is weak. They have the athletes, which means they're capable of running more actions, but can they handle an upgrade where complications mean there are screens on screeners' screeners'? Movement and space creation are nice ideas bandied about on websites like this... the question remains, can players handle sets like that?

What else strategy-wise do you think another coach would or could do... And for that matter, who would be good?

Personally, if they keep Jo maybe one (or both?) the van Gundys would work. Their systems are old, but far from antiquated and JVG has been putting in work for team USA.

My bad- I meant to respond to this sooner.

Implementing more PnR's would be my first suggestion, but really I'd be happy with any degree of structure which we so often lack. It's the coach's job to understand the strengths of his players and develop schemes that cater to those strengths. I don't have the numbers coming out of timeouts, but I'd be surprised if our success rate wasn't dead last relative to our success rate in other situations.

It also kind of bugs me that BB was talking to the media about wanting Simmons to shoot 1+ 3pt per game. If he believes that's a necessary step for Ben (as many people do), then it's his job to hold him accountable. I'm not one for authoritarian coaches but there's still a hierarchy that needs to be honored. For a coach to say "this is what we should be doing" in stark contrast to what the players are actually doing, well, that seems like the most obvious example of ineffective coaching.

[evilpimp972]

Ben Simmons did that last season when Embiid was out.
Same thing, 1 yr later, he is still not improving on other areas.

[Tomjas]

Ben Simmons did that last season when Embiid was out.
Same thing, 1 yr later, he is still not improving on other areas.

lol

I am the biggest Simmons stan on here and don’t want him to be an All Star

He’s improved massively

It’s just not in line with his talent UNLESS he keeps it up

[Bum Adebayo]

We know how talented he is, the issue always has been with his mentality. If he played like this all year instead of only before all star game, we could even think of trading Embiid and build around him.

[evilpimp972]

Ben Simmons did that last season when Embiid was out.
Same thing, 1 yr later, he is still not improving on other areas.

lol

I am the biggest Simmons stan on here and don’t want him to be an All Star

He’s improved massively

It’s just not in line with his talent UNLESS he keeps it up

He's the same as last year lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/csdugd/ben_simmons_stats_without_embiid/?ref=share&ref_source=embed&utm_content=title&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=fcc47fa7f0424fa7ae0a99a50692a05e&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=csdugd

[jbent87]

last night was great to see. The issue is how does he play this way with Embiid? And if he can't then what? You have two superstars who are better when the other guy isn't playing.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

He's got the Raptors and Lakers next, that will be a real test to see what Simmons can do. The way the Lakers defended him last year in Philly was one of the most disrespectful things I've seen.

[johanliebert]

He's got the Raptors and Lakers next, that will be a real test to see what Simmons can do. The way the Lakers defended him last year in Philly was one of the most disrespectful things I've seen.

if thats how you want to interpret it. They used to defend giannis the same way and he'd still finish at the rim. you cant defend a guy coming downhill sagging 10 feet away.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

He's not Giannis.

He's got the Raptors and Lakers next, that will be a real test to see what Simmons can do. The way the Lakers defended him last year in Philly was one of the most disrespectful things I've seen.

if thats how you want to interpret it. They used to defend giannis the same way and he'd still finish at the rim. you cant defend a guy coming downhill sagging 10 feet away.

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