Trade Thread Part Deux

[Dannyboy36]

Hayward for Augustin and Gordon works on trade machine. Augustin provides some nice scoring off the bench and Gordon's ability to guard positions 1-5 would be invaluable in the playoffs. Just don't know what kind of sweetener Orlando would want in terms of a draft pick or young player on our current squad.
Here's an article about Augustin from last year:
https://www.nba.com/magic/3-areas-dj-augustin-helped-magic-most-2018-19-20190514

I do t want to deal Hayward but if it is to happen this is the kind of player I want back. Someone to grow with the jays and can move his feet. I think we’d be worse off this year but maybe it helps for our future. Both Gordons ( Hayward and Aaron) are two of my favorite players.

[steefP2]

Hayward for Augustin and Gordon works on trade machine. Augustin provides some nice scoring off the bench and Gordon's ability to guard positions 1-5 would be invaluable in the playoffs. Just don't know what kind of sweetener Orlando would want in terms of a draft pick or young player on our current squad.
Here's an article about Augustin from last year:
https://www.nba.com/magic/3-areas-dj-augustin-helped-magic-most-2018-19-20190514

Still would like a center upgrade with the remaining roster. But i think Aaron would be brilliant with the jays and kemba.

The size and ability to defend sg-pf would be the best in the league imo. And center wouldnt be as much of a void with gordon manning the pf spot.

Then augustine, smart, kanter all off bench is very solid.

Backup sf and pf are weak but hopefully manageable with
Grant, robert, langford, semi, green filling the void.

I like a lot about this, my main concern is that our shooting would get worse. You trade Hayward for Gordon minutes (confusing i know) and that's a big 3 point shooting loss. Yes i know Augustin is a good 3 point shooter but he's not gonna play a whole bunch so yeah.

[SmartWentCrazy]

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A Rockets fan is proposing a Hayward + Filler for Capela + Filler deal. Obviously the exact filler can be negotiated, but this is a deal I would be all for.

I get why people would be attracted to this but i'm not convinced. Capela doesn't put us over the top imo right now, especially when you factor in us being without Hayward then. He's a good rebounder but rebounding is not a huge problem. He's a decent switch defender but that's also not a real issue. Post defense would be upgraded somewhat but it's hard to convince me that marginal difference is worth Hayward. He's not gonna stop Embiid or Giannis. He might be more effective then what we have atm but the margin is too narrow imo.

Also im still half convinced that Robert Williams is as good or better in like 2 years...

Historically he has done quite well vs Embiid, FWIW. Embiid struggled with his combination of size/athleticism/effort.

[snowman]

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A Rockets fan is proposing a Hayward + Filler for Capela + Filler deal. Obviously the exact filler can be negotiated, but this is a deal I would be all for.

I get why people would be attracted to this but i'm not convinced. Capela doesn't put us over the top imo right now, especially when you factor in us being without Hayward then. He's a good rebounder but rebounding is not a huge problem. He's a decent switch defender but that's also not a real issue. Post defense would be upgraded somewhat but it's hard to convince me that marginal difference is worth Hayward. He's not gonna stop Embiid or Giannis. He might be more effective then what we have atm but the margin is too narrow imo.

Also im still half convinced that Robert Williams is as good or better in like 2 years...

I agree with Williams being as good, but only if healthy. Big concerns about that hip though. As for not being a Embiid or Giannis stopper, who out there is. If that is who we are looking for, waiting for the off season and trading for Baynes is a decent option, but doesn't do us any good this year.

[100proof]

Hayward for Augustin and Gordon works on trade machine. Augustin provides some nice scoring off the bench and Gordon's ability to guard positions 1-5 would be invaluable in the playoffs. Just don't know what kind of sweetener Orlando would want in terms of a draft pick or young player on our current squad.
Here's an article about Augustin from last year:
https://www.nba.com/magic/3-areas-dj-augustin-helped-magic-most-2018-19-20190514

Still would like a center upgrade with the remaining roster. But i think Aaron would be brilliant with the jays and kemba.

The size and ability to defend sg-pf would be the best in the league imo. And center wouldnt be as much of a void with gordon manning the pf spot.

Then augustine, smart, kanter all off bench is very solid.

Backup sf and pf are weak but hopefully manageable with
Grant, robert, langford, semi, green filling the void.

I like a lot about this, my main concern is that our shooting would get worse. You trade Hayward for Gordon minutes (confusing i know) and that's a big 3 point shooting loss. Yes i know Augustin is a good 3 point shooter but he's not gonna play a whole bunch so yeah.

Gordon, when open, is a very solid 3pt shooter, brown has improved alot and tatum/kemba are very good from 3.

A deal for bjelica would also, perfectly remedy this and the backup pf problem, as I see Bjelica as able to be a center full time as he is bigger than both theis and timelord.

Kemba/Augustine/wannamaker/edwards
Brown/smart/romeo
Tatum/semi/green
Gordon/theis/williams
Bjelica/Kanter/tinelord

Would need to move wannamaker and green/semi and a pick for a real backup sf that can be counted on nightly.

[Jerboski]

The Aaron Gordon trade fascinates me, I am all in on that

[Curmudgeon]

Wanna win this year? Poirier, Wanamaker and the Memphis pick for Derrick Rose. Wanamaker would have to agree to the deal.

[snowman]

Wanna win this year? Poirier, Wanamaker and the Memphis pick for Derrick Rose. Wanamaker would have to agree to the deal.

I think we could get it dome with our pick and not the Memphis pick. I would be for it. However, it doesn't work on trade checker. If you take out Wannamaker, and put in Semi and Edwards, it works. To do this we would have to send cash to buy out Semi I would think. This way you don''t have to get Wannamaker to agree.
I still would do it.

[CelticFaninLBC]

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A Rockets fan is proposing a Hayward + Filler for Capela + Filler deal. Obviously the exact filler can be negotiated, but this is a deal I would be all for.

Good trade. The Celtics are behind the LA teams and Milwaukee, so winning it all this year is a long shot. They need to be building around Tatum & Brown for 2020-21. Perhaps, they could swing some of Houston's guys to a 3rd team and add a shooter and/or long defender like Covington or Thaddeus Young.

[100proof]

Wanna win this year? Poirier, Wanamaker and the Memphis pick for Derrick Rose. Wanamaker would have to agree to the deal.

Huge overpay

[TheMartian]

Lakers and Sixers are the teams interested in DRose. If there is a way we can get him just so those two team do not, I'm on board.

[100proof]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ssdp8v9

Orlando trades: Aaron Gordon, DJ Augustine, Frazier Jr,
gets: Hayward, Kyle Kuzma,
Orlando adds wing playmaking and spacing, and add a young replacement PF

Lakers trade: Kuzma, Cousins
get: Augustine, Javonte green
Lakers get the backup pg they want and some cheap legs

Sacramento trades: Bjelica,
gets: Cousins, Semi, bucks pick and cash to buy out cousins and poirier
Sacramento gets younger at center and adds a pick/sheds salary

Detroit trades Rose
gets: Wannamaker, Poirier and boston 1st

Boston trades: Hayward, Semi, Poirier Green, cash, bucks 1st, Boston first
gets: Aaron Gordon, Bjelica, Frazier Jr, Rose
Boston upgrades entire frontcourt and bench scoring

[steefP2]

Still would like a center upgrade with the remaining roster. But i think Aaron would be brilliant with the jays and kemba.

The size and ability to defend sg-pf would be the best in the league imo. And center wouldnt be as much of a void with gordon manning the pf spot.

Then augustine, smart, kanter all off bench is very solid.

Backup sf and pf are weak but hopefully manageable with
Grant, robert, langford, semi, green filling the void.

I like a lot about this, my main concern is that our shooting would get worse. You trade Hayward for Gordon minutes (confusing i know) and that's a big 3 point shooting loss. Yes i know Augustin is a good 3 point shooter but he's not gonna play a whole bunch so yeah.

Gordon, when open, is a very solid 3pt shooter, brown has improved alot and tatum/kemba are very good from 3.

A deal for bjelica would also, perfectly remedy this and the backup pf problem, as I see Bjelica as able to be a center full time as he is bigger than both theis and timelord.

Kemba/Augustine/wannamaker/edwards
Brown/smart/romeo
Tatum/semi/green
Gordon/theis/williams
Bjelica/Kanter/tinelord

Would need to move wannamaker and green/semi and a pick for a real backup sf that can be counted on nightly.

I mean the dude is shooting 28% from 3 and his career high has been 35%. He is not a very solid shooter period. But even if he was a good shooter when open as you say, that wouldn't be enough. That's just Semi level of shooting and that doesn't cut it in today's NBA. Obviously getting both Bjelica and Gordon fixes that, but i feel like we're reaching at that point. It could be a good future move though but we'd be kissing any chance this year goodbye.

[100proof]

I like a lot about this, my main concern is that our shooting would get worse. You trade Hayward for Gordon minutes (confusing i know) and that's a big 3 point shooting loss. Yes i know Augustin is a good 3 point shooter but he's not gonna play a whole bunch so yeah.

Gordon, when open, is a very solid 3pt shooter, brown has improved alot and tatum/kemba are very good from 3.

A deal for bjelica would also, perfectly remedy this and the backup pf problem, as I see Bjelica as able to be a center full time as he is bigger than both theis and timelord.

Kemba/Augustine/wannamaker/edwards
Brown/smart/romeo
Tatum/semi/green
Gordon/theis/williams
Bjelica/Kanter/tinelord

Would need to move wannamaker and green/semi and a pick for a real backup sf that can be counted on nightly.

I mean the dude is shooting 28% from 3 and his career high has been 35%. He is not a very solid shooter period. But even if he was a good shooter when open as you say, that wouldn't be enough. That's just Semi level of shooting and that doesn't cut it in today's NBA. Obviously getting both Bjelica and Gordon fixes that, but i feel like we're reaching at that point. It could be a good future move though but we'd be kissing any chance this year goodbye.

On this team in a bubble, gordon wouldnt even really be shooting threes anyways. But if he cN stick the open ones, thats all that really mattera

[Wes-J]

I have no interest in Aaron Gordon. Doesn't move the needle, just makes us worse if we're talking about shipping Hayward.

Now Capela OTOH, if the goal is team long term development makes sense, but I don't think it improves us this season. He's got a great contract though.

[100proof]

I have no interest in Aaron Gordon. Doesn't move the needle, just makes us worse if we're talking about shipping Hayward.

Now Capela OTOH, if the goal is team long term development makes sense, but I don't think it improves us this season. He's got a great contract though.

aaron gordon and dj augustine improves the team. they, combined, have far more on court impact than Hayward.

[Celts17Pride]

I have no interest in Aaron Gordon. Doesn't move the needle, just makes us worse if we're talking about shipping Hayward.

Now Capela OTOH, if the goal is team long term development makes sense, but I don't think it improves us this season. He's got a great contract though.

aaron gordon and dj augustine improves the team. they, combined, have far more on court impact than Hayward.

Aaron Gordon hasn't had an impact on the Orlando Magic since he has been there.

[Andrew McCeltic]

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A Rockets fan is proposing a Hayward + Filler for Capela + Filler deal. Obviously the exact filler can be negotiated, but this is a deal I would be all for.

Good trade. The Celtics are behind the LA teams and Milwaukee, so winning it all this year is a long shot. They need to be building around Tatum & Brown for 2020-21. Perhaps, they could swing some of Houston's guys to a 3rd team and add a shooter and/or long defender like Covington or Thaddeus Young.

What’s the filler? I didn’t think the Rockets had the flexibility to deal for Hayward..

[Ben-N1ce]

Wanna win this year? Poirier, Wanamaker and the Memphis pick for Derrick Rose. Wanamaker would have to agree to the deal.

Huge overpay

A bad Memphis pick and bums is too much? I totally disagree. That pick and those players aren't worth much of anything.

[Dannyboy36]

Smart and pick for Capela? I don’t think rockets would but most people in Boston seem to think Smart is the better player ( than Hayward).