Trade Thread Part Deux

[ANGT4T]

aaron gordon and dj augustine improves the team. they, combined, have far more on court impact than Hayward.

I'm not sure I agree with this statement in general but it also discounts that you can add a piece like DJ without trading Hayward for Aaron Gordon.

Upgrading Wanamaker isn't going to change the game for us but staying healthy might. IF there is a trade at all I think it will be for a defensive Big to upgrade G. Williams and Poirier's minutes.

[Darth Celtic]

Wanna win this year? Poirier, Wanamaker and the Memphis pick for Derrick Rose. Wanamaker would have to agree to the deal.

Huge overpay

A bad Memphis pick and bums is too much? I totally disagree. That pick and those players aren't worth much of anything.

Easy schedule part of the season and hot streak aside, that Griz pick is still most likely to be a lotto pick (maybe the 14th pick) but still a lotto pick. Any pick in the teens has more value than a 31 year old pg with 2 bad knees with huge injury problems in the past who's entire game is based on athleticism shooting 33% from 3.

Will that trade take us to the finals this year? no. Does it help us win next year? No.

We need to hit on the young talent in the teens while being a top 5 team. IT's been this way since we realized Kyrie/Ad wasn't going to happen.

[Wes-J]

I have no interest in Aaron Gordon. Doesn't move the needle, just makes us worse if we're talking about shipping Hayward.

Now Capela OTOH, if the goal is team long term development makes sense, but I don't think it improves us this season. He's got a great contract though.

aaron gordon and dj augustine improves the team. they, combined, have far more on court impact than Hayward.

Aaron Gordon hasn't had an impact on the Orlando Magic since he has been there.

Beat me to it. Gordon has regressed in all facets of the game. If you're frustrated with Hayward's inconsistencies, well at least he's got an excuse. Gordon is the very definition of inconsistency, you're gonna pull your hair out.

Bottomline there's not a single thing Gordon does better other than dunking. I'm not in favor of downgrading playmaking and shooting even if it means getting into a better contract.

[CelticFaninLBC]

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A Rockets fan is proposing a Hayward + Filler for Capela + Filler deal. Obviously the exact filler can be negotiated, but this is a deal I would be all for.

Good trade. The Celtics are behind the LA teams and Milwaukee, so winning it all this year is a long shot. They need to be building around Tatum & Brown for 2020-21. Perhaps, they could swing some of Houston's guys to a 3rd team and add a shooter and/or long defender like Covington or Thaddeus Young.

What’s the filler? I didn’t think the Rockets had the flexibility to deal for Hayward..

The poster has Houston sending Capela, House, Nene(*waived), Rivers, Sefolosha, Green(*injured) for Hayward, which i works in the trade cheker..

The poster also has HOU getting R. Williams, G. Williams, Ojeleye and Wannamaker via Houston's various TPE's, which doesn't work in the trade checker. Perhaps the poster knows more than ESPN's trade checker though?

[CelticFaninLBC]

I have no interest in Aaron Gordon. Doesn't move the needle, just makes us worse if we're talking about shipping Hayward.

Now Capela OTOH, if the goal is team long term development makes sense, but I don't think it improves us this season. He's got a great contract though.

Houston seems like one of the few teams open to rolling the dice on Hayward. They aren't playing well and their championship window is closing.

[100proof]

I have no interest in Aaron Gordon. Doesn't move the needle, just makes us worse if we're talking about shipping Hayward.

Now Capela OTOH, if the goal is team long term development makes sense, but I don't think it improves us this season. He's got a great contract though.

aaron gordon and dj augustine improves the team. they, combined, have far more on court impact than Hayward.

Aaron Gordon hasn't had an impact on the Orlando Magic since he has been there.

Same can be said of gordon hayward on the boston celtics

[Captain_Caveman]

There's absolutely no way Hayward opts out. He's not getting 30mil anywhere else and he knows that.

We literally do this thread every year. I don't gamble, but would an exception for this free money. You 100% opt out unless you are majorly injured. He can easily get 3/75, and likely a lot more. Which makes it a no-brainer.

You think so? I mean I just don't believe the market is high for someone like him. Just watching him play, there's no way.. who are the free agent wings this summer?

Something unstated in this conversation to date is that three of the current top 28 scorers in the league this season play in Boston. We also have a 5th option scoring 12.4 ppg in Smart. So not only are Hayward's scoring numbers deflated IMO, anyone else we bring in is likely to be a 4th option at best, and barely ahead of being 5th. Fortunately for us, despite being slightly underutilized as a scorer, Hayward is super versatile and can do multiple things for us as needed.

On another team, in a more featured role, he would realistically be a 21/5/4 guy with positional versatility and decent defense and super high BBIQ. Even if you have to manage his health as is common for pretty much every number player on the wrong side of 30. Considering that there are currently no less than TEN other teams that do not have a (qualified) scorer that would crack our top 3, I'd say that people are absolutely out of their minds if they don't think a 20+ ppg scorer with Hayward's versatility and BBIQ would be in demand. It's the same reason we had to overpay Jaylen rather than lose him for nothing.

[100proof]

aaron gordon and dj augustine improves the team. they, combined, have far more on court impact than Hayward.

Aaron Gordon hasn't had an impact on the Orlando Magic since he has been there.

Beat me to it. Gordon has regressed in all facets of the game. If you're frustrated with Hayward's inconsistencies, well at least he's got an excuse. Gordon is the very definition of inconsistency, you're gonna pull your hair out.

Bottomline there's not a single thing Gordon does better other than dunking. I'm not in favor of downgrading playmaking and shooting even if it means getting into a better contract.

Aaron has been criminally misused in Orlando.

[ddb]

aaron gordon and dj augustine improves the team. they, combined, have far more on court impact than Hayward.

I'm not sure I agree with this statement in general but it also discounts that you can add a piece like DJ without trading Hayward for Aaron Gordon.

Upgrading Wanamaker isn't going to change the game for us but staying healthy might. IF there is a trade at all I think it will be for a defensive Big to upgrade G. Williams and Poirier's minutes.

Let me just say something real quick and I'm only going to say it once. So hopefully as many people on this board as possible read this post. Aaron Gordon STINKS! Hard pass on him. Alright I got it off my chest. No more Aaron Gordon trade ideas. I want nothing to do with him. Especially in exchange for our Gordon who is far superior as a player.

[Wes-J]

I have no interest in Aaron Gordon. Doesn't move the needle, just makes us worse if we're talking about shipping Hayward.

Now Capela OTOH, if the goal is team long term development makes sense, but I don't think it improves us this season. He's got a great contract though.

Houston seems like one of the few teams open to rolling the dice on Hayward. They aren't playing well and their championship window is closing.

After getting dismantled by the Lakers recently they might be in the market to make a big splash by moving Capela and filler like hypothetical scenario suggests.

Yeah I could see that.

[ddb]

Aaron Gordon hasn't had an impact on the Orlando Magic since he has been there.

Beat me to it. Gordon has regressed in all facets of the game. If you're frustrated with Hayward's inconsistencies, well at least he's got an excuse. Gordon is the very definition of inconsistency, you're gonna pull your hair out.

Bottomline there's not a single thing Gordon does better other than dunking. I'm not in favor of downgrading playmaking and shooting even if it means getting into a better contract.

Aaron has been criminally misused in Orlando.

Aaron Gordon stinks

[Captain_Caveman]

I'm not sure I agree with this statement in general but it also discounts that you can add a piece like DJ without trading Hayward for Aaron Gordon.

Upgrading Wanamaker isn't going to change the game for us but staying healthy might. IF there is a trade at all I think it will be for a defensive Big to upgrade G. Williams and Poirier's minutes.

Let me just say something real quick and I'm only going to say it once. So hopefully as many people on this board as possible read this post. Aaron Gordon STINKS! Hard pass on him. Alright I got it off my chest. No more Aaron Gordon trade ideas. I want nothing to do with him. Especially in exchange for our Gordon who is far superior as a player.

Move to second that motion.

[MagicBagley18]

Beat me to it. Gordon has regressed in all facets of the game. If you're frustrated with Hayward's inconsistencies, well at least he's got an excuse. Gordon is the very definition of inconsistency, you're gonna pull your hair out.

Bottomline there's not a single thing Gordon does better other than dunking. I'm not in favor of downgrading playmaking and shooting even if it means getting into a better contract.

Aaron has been criminally misused in Orlando.

Aaron Gordon stinks

Agreed. Flashy dunks tho lol. Nowhere near the playmaker as Hayward

[ddb]

aaron gordon and dj augustine improves the team. they, combined, have far more on court impact than Hayward.

Aaron Gordon hasn't had an impact on the Orlando Magic since he has been there.

Same can be said of gordon hayward on the boston celtics

Gordon leaves us wanting more...that's the only thing he's guilty of...he leaves us wanting more because he's capable of scoring 20/6/6 every night. so he frustrates me sometimes because he's so willing to take a back seat. But on the other hand....when you really break down his play, he's pretty darn good. he makes so many good plays. if hockey assists were a thing he'd be up there among the league leaders. as long as he's happy here, I'm okay with him being here long-term. I just wonder if he'll want to leave Boston since 2 of our best players play the same position as him. ?????

Kemba/Tatum/Hayward/Brown/Smart/Theis/Kanter are not the problem. The problem is that after the Top 7 this team gets extremely young and inexperienced. Langford isn't going anywhere. Grant probably isn't going anywhere. I'd say everyone else is available in trades to bolster the bench for a big run.....But Danny isn't going to just give away assets for a rental. It needs to be guys that can be added into the foundation of this team.

My approach, and I've said this a few times on here....Aside from a big-bang approach (Hayward trade) which I've entertained a couple times out of pure frustration/venting....And what is most likely to happen.....is that Ainge goes after 1 piece that can extend our rotation of reliable players to 8. It could be a lead guard type like DRose.....It could be a shooter like Bertans.....It could be a combo guard like Alec Burks....Ainge has a couple end of bench pieces and late 1st round picks he can play with.

Something like the following 2 trade ideas would really help get this team to the next level.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=w6v88yo. trade 1 is Rose/Mykhailiuk for Poirer/Semi/Edwards/Bucks 1st.

Why for Boston: Rose isn't a rental. he's under contract next season as well. He isn't the explosive MVP he once was, but he's reinvented himself and has become 1 heck of a 6th man type. Averaging 18ppg in 25mpg. so in 20mpg here he's going to give you a reliable veteran savvy lead guard that can impact the game and provide leadership. Mykhailiuk would be a fringe rotation guy, but someone that Brad could call on to space the floor. With Kemba/Rose/Smart/Tatum/Hayward/Brown on this team there will be open shots. Mykhailiuk can knock those down. Milwaukee has like 4 of these guys. Boston needs 1!

Why for Detroit: you get a first round pick and a couple young players to develop. you get out of the 7plus mill owed to Rose. They may get a better deal for Rose, but if not this isn't a bad option for them.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=vzgqyuk trade 2 is Burks for Edwards/future 2nd.

Burks would likely be a rental, but he can help out this year. he's playing really well. Carsen Edwards may end up becoming a microwave offense type in this league, but he hasn't shown it yet. he could also end up playing in Europe. Ainge can find another Edwards type in future drafts...not a huge loss. it takes something to get something here. But because Burks is a rental they aren't getting a 1st for him. I'm not sure I'd trade that Bucks pick in this deal.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=t8hfyqe trade 3 is Bertans for Timelord/Edwards/Semi and maybe that Bucks 1st. He's going to be expensive...
Bertans isn't a rental, he's pretty young, and he's having a good year...so the bidding for him will be pretty high. Ainge would likely have to fork over Timelord is this deal. I'm okay with that because Poirer has shown me enough to think he can be that emergency big behind Theis/Kanter/Grant. Ainge can also explore the waiver market for big man depth. but Bertans is a guy that can come off the bench and snipe. Man would he open up lanes for our guys. He's exactly what his team needs.

Kemba-JB-GH-JT-Theis
Wanamaker-Smart-Bertans-Kanter with Grant/Green/Langford/Poirer fighting for spot mins.

Go to war with that squad!

[100proof]

Aaron Gordon hasn't had an impact on the Orlando Magic since he has been there.

Same can be said of gordon hayward on the boston celtics

Gordon leaves us wanting more...that's the only thing he's guilty of...he leaves us wanting more because he's capable of scoring 20/6/6 every night. so he frustrates me sometimes because he's so willing to take a back seat. But on the other hand....when you really break down his play, he's pretty darn good. he makes so many good plays. if hockey assists were a thing he'd be up there among the league leaders. as long as he's happy here, I'm okay with him being here long-term. I just wonder if he'll want to leave Boston since 2 of our best players play the same position as him. ?????

Kemba/Tatum/Hayward/Brown/Smart/Theis/Kanter are not the problem. The problem is that after the Top 7 this team gets extremely young and inexperienced. Langford isn't going anywhere. Grant probably isn't going anywhere. I'd say everyone else is available in trades to bolster the bench for a big run.....But Danny isn't going to just give away assets for a rental. It needs to be guys that can be added into the foundation of this team.

My approach, and I've said this a few times on here....Aside from a big-bang approach (Hayward trade) which I've entertained a couple times out of pure frustration/venting....And what is most likely to happen.....is that Ainge goes after 1 piece that can extend our rotation of reliable players to 8. It could be a lead guard type like DRose.....It could be a shooter like Bertans.....It could be a combo guard like Alec Burks....Ainge has a couple end of bench pieces and late 1st round picks he can play with.

Something like the following 2 trade ideas would really help get this team to the next level.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=w6v88yo. trade 1 is Rose/Mykhailiuk for Poirer/Semi/Edwards/Bucks 1st.

Why for Boston: Rose isn't a rental. he's under contract next season as well. He isn't the explosive MVP he once was, but he's reinvented himself and has become 1 heck of a 6th man type. Averaging 18ppg in 25mpg. so in 20mpg here he's going to give you a reliable veteran savvy lead guard that can impact the game and provide leadership. Mykhailiuk would be a fringe rotation guy, but someone that Brad could call on to space the floor. With Kemba/Rose/Smart/Tatum/Hayward/Brown on this team there will be open shots. Mykhailiuk can knock those down. Milwaukee has like 4 of these guys. Boston needs 1!

Why for Detroit: you get a first round pick and a couple young players to develop. you get out of the 7plus mill owed to Rose. They may get a better deal for Rose, but if not this isn't a bad option for them.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=vzgqyuk trade 2 is Burks for Edwards/future 2nd.

Burks would likely be a rental, but he can help out this year. he's playing really well. Carsen Edwards may end up becoming a microwave offense type in this league, but he hasn't shown it yet. he could also end up playing in Europe. Ainge can find another Edwards type in future drafts...not a huge loss. it takes something to get something here. But because Burks is a rental they aren't getting a 1st for him. I'm not sure I'd trade that Bucks pick in this deal.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=t8hfyqe trade 3 is Bertans for Timelord/Edwards/Semi and maybe that Bucks 1st. He's going to be expensive...
Bertans isn't a rental, he's pretty young, and he's having a good year...so the bidding for him will be pretty high. Ainge would likely have to fork over Timelord is this deal. I'm okay with that because Poirer has shown me enough to think he can be that emergency big behind Theis/Kanter/Grant. Ainge can also explore the waiver market for big man depth. but Bertans is a guy that can come off the bench and snipe. Man would he open up lanes for our guys. He's exactly what his team needs.

Kemba-JB-GH-JT-Theis
Wanamaker-Smart-Bertans-Kanter with Grant/Green/Langford/Poirer fighting for spot mins.

Go to war with that squad!

going to war with that squad will be a loss.

I like theis as much as the next guy, but he is not good enough or strong enough to compete with the teams the Celtics have to face.

If the team/danny is content being an also ran and keeping Hayward happy for his 50 games a season then i guess that is that, I for one hope to win a title, and Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Hayward - smart and kanter aint getting anywhere near one. not a chance in the world they get past bucks or philly, and unless they get hot from the floor Toronto most likely outs them.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Aaron Gordon hasn't had an impact on the Orlando Magic since he has been there.

My approach, and I've said this a few times on here....Aside from a big-bang approach (Hayward trade) which I've entertained a couple times out of pure frustration/venting....And what is most likely to happen.....is that Ainge goes after 1 piece that can extend our rotation of reliable players to 8. It could be a lead guard type like DRose.....It could be a shooter like Bertans.....It could be a combo guard like Alec Burks....Ainge has a couple end of bench pieces and late 1st round picks he can play with.

Something like the following 2 trade ideas would really help get this team to the next level.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=w6v88yo. trade 1 is Rose/Mykhailiuk for Poirer/Semi/Edwards/Bucks 1st.

Why for Boston: Rose isn't a rental. he's under contract next season as well. He isn't the explosive MVP he once was, but he's reinvented himself and has become 1 heck of a 6th man type. Averaging 18ppg in 25mpg. so in 20mpg here he's going to give you a reliable veteran savvy lead guard that can impact the game and provide leadership. Mykhailiuk would be a fringe rotation guy, but someone that Brad could call on to space the floor. With Kemba/Rose/Smart/Tatum/Hayward/Brown on this team there will be open shots. Mykhailiuk can knock those down. Milwaukee has like 4 of these guys. Boston needs 1!

Why for Detroit: you get a first round pick and a couple young players to develop. you get out of the 7plus mill owed to Rose. They may get a better deal for Rose, but if not this isn't a bad option for them.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=vzgqyuk trade 2 is Burks for Edwards/future 2nd.

Burks would likely be a rental, but he can help out this year. he's playing really well. Carsen Edwards may end up becoming a microwave offense type in this league, but he hasn't shown it yet. he could also end up playing in Europe. Ainge can find another Edwards type in future drafts...not a huge loss. it takes something to get something here. But because Burks is a rental they aren't getting a 1st for him. I'm not sure I'd trade that Bucks pick in this deal.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=t8hfyqe trade 3 is Bertans for Timelord/Edwards/Semi and maybe that Bucks 1st. He's going to be expensive...
Bertans isn't a rental, he's pretty young, and he's having a good year...so the bidding for him will be pretty high. Ainge would likely have to fork over Timelord is this deal. I'm okay with that because Poirer has shown me enough to think he can be that emergency big behind Theis/Kanter/Grant. Ainge can also explore the waiver market for big man depth. but Bertans is a guy that can come off the bench and snipe. Man would he open up lanes for our guys. He's exactly what his team needs.

Kemba-JB-GH-JT-Theis
Wanamaker-Smart-Bertans-Kanter with Grant/Green/Langford/Poirer fighting for spot mins.

Go to war with that squad!

Betrans will be a free agent. I'm not following how he's not a rental?

DRose is a ball dominant guard who takes the ball out of the hands of Walker, Tatum, Hayward and Brown. Give me a long defender and/or 3 point shooter instead.

[ddb]

My approach, and I've said this a few times on here....Aside from a big-bang approach (Hayward trade) which I've entertained a couple times out of pure frustration/venting....And what is most likely to happen.....is that Ainge goes after 1 piece that can extend our rotation of reliable players to 8. It could be a lead guard type like DRose.....It could be a shooter like Bertans.....It could be a combo guard like Alec Burks....Ainge has a couple end of bench pieces and late 1st round picks he can play with.

Something like the following 2 trade ideas would really help get this team to the next level.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=w6v88yo. trade 1 is Rose/Mykhailiuk for Poirer/Semi/Edwards/Bucks 1st.

Why for Boston: Rose isn't a rental. he's under contract next season as well. He isn't the explosive MVP he once was, but he's reinvented himself and has become 1 heck of a 6th man type. Averaging 18ppg in 25mpg. so in 20mpg here he's going to give you a reliable veteran savvy lead guard that can impact the game and provide leadership. Mykhailiuk would be a fringe rotation guy, but someone that Brad could call on to space the floor. With Kemba/Rose/Smart/Tatum/Hayward/Brown on this team there will be open shots. Mykhailiuk can knock those down. Milwaukee has like 4 of these guys. Boston needs 1!

Why for Detroit: you get a first round pick and a couple young players to develop. you get out of the 7plus mill owed to Rose. They may get a better deal for Rose, but if not this isn't a bad option for them.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=vzgqyuk trade 2 is Burks for Edwards/future 2nd.

Burks would likely be a rental, but he can help out this year. he's playing really well. Carsen Edwards may end up becoming a microwave offense type in this league, but he hasn't shown it yet. he could also end up playing in Europe. Ainge can find another Edwards type in future drafts...not a huge loss. it takes something to get something here. But because Burks is a rental they aren't getting a 1st for him. I'm not sure I'd trade that Bucks pick in this deal.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=t8hfyqe trade 3 is Bertans for Timelord/Edwards/Semi and maybe that Bucks 1st. He's going to be expensive...
Bertans isn't a rental, he's pretty young, and he's having a good year...so the bidding for him will be pretty high. Ainge would likely have to fork over Timelord is this deal. I'm okay with that because Poirer has shown me enough to think he can be that emergency big behind Theis/Kanter/Grant. Ainge can also explore the waiver market for big man depth. but Bertans is a guy that can come off the bench and snipe. Man would he open up lanes for our guys. He's exactly what his team needs.

Kemba-JB-GH-JT-Theis
Wanamaker-Smart-Bertans-Kanter with Grant/Green/Langford/Poirer fighting for spot mins.

Go to war with that squad!

Betrans will be a free agent. I'm not following how he's not a rental?

DRose is a ball dominant guard who takes the ball out of the hands of Walker, Tatum, Hayward and Brown. Give me a long defender and/or 3 point shooter instead.

who do you have in mind?

[Bleeding Green]

We literally do this thread every year. I don't gamble, but would an exception for this free money. You 100% opt out unless you are majorly injured. He can easily get 3/75, and likely a lot more. Which makes it a no-brainer.

You think so? I mean I just don't believe the market is high for someone like him. Just watching him play, there's no way.. who are the free agent wings this summer?

Something unstated in this conversation to date is that three of the current top 28 scorers in the league this season play in Boston. We also have a 5th option scoring 12.4 ppg in Smart. So not only are Hayward's scoring numbers deflated IMO, anyone else we bring in is likely to be a 4th option at best, and barely ahead of being 5th. Fortunately for us, despite being slightly underutilized as a scorer, Hayward is super versatile and can do multiple things for us as needed.

On another team, in a more featured role, he would realistically be a 21/5/4 guy with positional versatility and decent defense and super high BBIQ. Even if you have to manage his health as is common for pretty much every number player on the wrong side of 30. Considering that there are currently no less than TEN other teams that do not have a (qualified) scorer that would crack our top 3, I'd say that people are absolutely out of their minds if they don't think a 20+ ppg scorer with Hayward's versatility and BBIQ would be in demand. It's the same reason we had to overpay Jaylen rather than lose him for nothing.

I'm with you, as long as Hayward finishes the season and playoffs without sustaining some sort of major injury, he is very likely to opt out. It's AD, DeMar, Hayward, Drummond, OPJ, Gallo and slop in this FA period. AD and Drummond (lmao to whichever team) are gonna get the max, maybe DeMar too. OPJ is the youngest, but also the worst, not a max player. Gallo has more injuries that Hayward and he'll be 32.

Horford is 33 and just got 4/109. Hayward can easily get 4/130 or something if he wants.

Cetlics underpaid Jaylen Brown, but everything else you said is right.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Betrans will be a free agent. I'm not following how he's not a rental?

DRose is a ball dominant guard who takes the ball out of the hands of Walker, Tatum, Hayward and Brown. Give me a long defender and/or 3 point shooter instead.

who do you have in mind?

Taking Hayward, Langford and the MEM pick off the table...

Long defender - Covington for G. Williams, salary fillet and a pick or 2

Shooter - Bjelica or JJ Reddick

[100proof]

Betrans will be a free agent. I'm not following how he's not a rental?

DRose is a ball dominant guard who takes the ball out of the hands of Walker, Tatum, Hayward and Brown. Give me a long defender and/or 3 point shooter instead.

who do you have in mind?

Taking Hayward, Langford and the MEM pick off the table...

Long defender - Covington for G. Williams, salary fillet and a pick or 2

Shooter - Bjelica or JJ Reddick

never going to get covington for that,

Hayward, edwards, and a pick would get your dieng and covington though, imo.