boomershadow wrote:I'll say this. It always seemed like a weird signing for Chicago.
Maybe they thought the team needed a veteran "mentor" along with the talents he does have?
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boomershadow wrote:I'll say this. It always seemed like a weird signing for Chicago.
Wizop wrote:Tom White wrote:8305 wrote:I think the Bulls would trade Thad Young for Jeremy Lamb in a heart beat. Backup 4 issue solved. Still too many quality wings and guards for the minutes we have but, problems could be worse.
Why would you want to take a step backwards? The Pacers had their reasons for not re-signing Young and I doubt they have changed their minds this quickly.
I agree completely. we let Thad walk not because we didn't like his game or even because he wanted too much money. we let him go because we didn't want to give him a contract that had as many years in it as the contract Chicago offered. that's still true.
8305 wrote:We've found that you can't play big all the time too.
Tom White wrote:boomershadow wrote:I'll say this. It always seemed like a weird signing for Chicago.
Maybe they thought the team needed a veteran "mentor" along with the talents he does have?
Wizop wrote:8305 wrote:We've found that you can't play big all the time too.
have we or have we found we don't have a second big who can play the four?
I also don't agree that Lamb is redundant but the rotation with Vic is yet to be worked out so you could be proven right. I suppose though that if a backup 4 fell out of the sky pushing JHoliday to 3, then Lamb and McBuckets would be in competition for backup 2, and AHoliday and TJMcC would be in competition for backup 1. my money is on TJMcC at 1 and I expect Vic to start on a pitch count leaving minutes for both JHoliday and McBuckets in the beginning even with a new 4.
oh, perhaps Sampson and Alize could emerge but we can cross that bridge later.
8305 wrote:No argument on how we got to where we are now(Thad in Chicago)
What if Vic comes back stronger than everyone expects? We could have traded guys in 2018 for future assets, could have played the young guys last year after Vic went down. But we won’t make moves this year to make ourselves more competitive in a playoff run?
I don't want to give up anyone making enough money to match Thad in a trade. Now if Chicago were to buy him out and he were willing to be a backup 4, sure. I think a late season pickup ala Matthews last year, is more likely than a trade.Tom White wrote:8305 wrote:No argument on how we got to where we are now(Thad in Chicago)
What if Vic comes back stronger than everyone expects? We could have traded guys in 2018 for future assets, could have played the young guys last year after Vic went down. But we won’t make moves this year to make ourselves more competitive in a playoff run?
You really think Thad would make us more competitive this year? I don't see it. I see this as a more talented and well rounded team than last year. Thad was not a good ball handler, was a so-so shooter, with about average rebounding and frankly I think he is being over-rated on defense. Don't get me wrong, his defense was pretty good, but he is no all-world defender as some seem to believe. I'll take this line-up all day long over making some of the trades I've seen proposed on here.
Tom White wrote:8305 wrote:No argument on how we got to where we are now(Thad in Chicago)
What if Vic comes back stronger than everyone expects? We could have traded guys in 2018 for future assets, could have played the young guys last year after Vic went down. But we won’t make moves this year to make ourselves more competitive in a playoff run?
You really think Thad would make us more competitive this year? I don't see it. I see this as a more talented and well rounded team than last year. Thad was not a good ball handler, was a so-so shooter, with about average rebounding and frankly I think he is being over-rated on defense. Don't get me wrong, his defense was pretty good, but he is no all-world defender as some seem to believe. I'll take this line-up all day long over making some of the trades I've seen proposed on here.
Wizop wrote:I don't want to give up anyone making enough money to match Thad in a trade. Now if Chicago were to buy him out and he were willing to be a backup 4, sure. I think a late season pickup ala Matthews last year, is more likely than a trade.Tom White wrote:8305 wrote:No argument on how we got to where we are now(Thad in Chicago)
What if Vic comes back stronger than everyone expects? We could have traded guys in 2018 for future assets, could have played the young guys last year after Vic went down. But we won’t make moves this year to make ourselves more competitive in a playoff run?
You really think Thad would make us more competitive this year? I don't see it. I see this as a more talented and well rounded team than last year. Thad was not a good ball handler, was a so-so shooter, with about average rebounding and frankly I think he is being over-rated on defense. Don't get me wrong, his defense was pretty good, but he is no all-world defender as some seem to believe. I'll take this line-up all day long over making some of the trades I've seen proposed on here.
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8305 wrote:
Probably just have to agree to disagree here. I think Jeremy Lamb is a nice player but I don't think he gives us anything that can't be gotten from one of the Holidays or McDermott. Heck if you were needing lock down defense Sumner is a better option.
Scoot McGroot wrote:Thad’s defense would help, for sure, in a slowed down, grind it out series. However, his offense is simply so terrible ...
Wizop wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:Thad’s defense would help, for sure, in a slowed down, grind it out series. However, his offense is simply so terrible ...
he has scored more in Chicago but that's probably bad team syndrome.
Is Iggy enough of a 4 defensively to be worth say Lamb and Leaf?
Leaf for Vonleh?
trying to think of defensive 4's at either the 2mm spot to match Leaf or 10mm to match Lamb (assuming Vic is Vic).
Topofthekey wrote:I think Lauri Markkanen is another player that the team should look at right now
Sure he's having a bad season and is starting to look like a bust, but that's also why the potential price of trading for him is likely at its lowest
Maybe he can turn into yet another one of the Pacers' reclamation project special
He should be a good stretch 4 to pair with either Domas or Myles, meaning he can substitute for either one of them when they need to rest
Scoot McGroot wrote:Topofthekey wrote:I think Lauri Markkanen is another player that the team should look at right now
Sure he's having a bad season and is starting to look like a bust, but that's also why the potential price of trading for him is likely at its lowest
Maybe he can turn into yet another one of the Pacers' reclamation project special
He should be a good stretch 4 to pair with either Domas or Myles, meaning he can substitute for either one of them when they need to rest
I agree it looks like he should be viewed as devalued a bit, and that he's likely a 7' who will shoot about 36% from 3 and rebound decently well, but I think Chicago will likely still try and value him as a young guy who was recently drafted top 10 and has put in really good scoring numbers. Ultimately, it's starting to look like Lauri might turn out to be a taller, better "counting numbers" type of Doug McDermott, albeit a lesser shooter. Maybe a better rebounding Davis Bertans?
Topofthekey wrote:If we can somehow consolidate Lamb + Doug + Justin + Leaf and maybe a few 2nds for him, our second unit would be instantly a lot more formidable