2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2)

[HerSports85]

Y’all already know what’s going to happen

[sol537]

If you go Wiseman, then you have to trade Mitch for a PG (Halliburton?) to balance the young core. If you go PG, then you keep Mitch, of course.

[moocow007]

If you go Wiseman, then you have to trade Mitch for a PG (Halliburton?) to balance the young core. If you go PG, then you keep Mitch, of course.

Or you take the "tallest team" concept to the extreme and start Wiseman next to Robinson. Mills and Perry signed 6 power forwards. Maybe they're onto something.

[sol537]

If you go Wiseman, then you have to trade Mitch for a PG (Halliburton?) to balance the young core. If you go PG, then you keep Mitch, of course.

Or you take the "tallest team" concept to the extreme and start Wiseman next to Robinson. Mills and Perry signed 6 power forwards. Maybe they're onto something.

I'm hoping (all we have is hope, no?) that those idiots are shown the door by some miracle and we bring in someone who knows something about team building & chemistry.

[moocow007]

Alright little exercise
let’s say knicks land top 3 and they also manage to trade Morris for a late first. We will call that pick #24-28.

Lamelo at pick 26 Jordan Nwora
Ball + Nwora to add along to Barrett and Mitch

So who do you pick with top 3 pick. Assuming you get your choice of ball wiseman Edwards and who do you take around 24-28

Well the hard part would be if you get either the 1st or 2nd pick. If you get the 3rd pick (like the Knicks got this past draft) you take whichever of the three isn't picked with the 1st and 2nd picks.

Who you pick then with a pick in the 24-28 range? It's a free for all depending on who's around and maybe who the Knicks select with a top 3 pick. Since folks seem to like using Tankathon draft here's the guys in that range (or later) that I like (in no particular order):

Joel Ayayi (Gonzaga) - in some ways you wish that his fellow Frenchmen and current Knick Frank Ntilikina played with the same type of consistent energy and intensity that Ayayi plays. Ayayi to me is like a cross between Ntilikina and Caris Levert physically and from a ball handling standpoint. He gets involved on both ends of the floor, defends, rebounds, spaces and moves well without the ball. He's an overall pretty solid 3 point shooter and you can play him at either guard spot.

Aleksej Pokusevski (Olympiacos Junior Team) - been trying to watch as many vids of this kid as possible and he's a very interesting (and unique) animal. He's a skinny 7 footer that has guard like perimeter skills and a great knack for the game. Looks like he's still growing into his body so it's really hard to project how and if he can adjust to the NBA, but the potential for him to turn into something very unique (Unicornish) is there. Excellent court vision, terrific ball handling 7 footer, can shoot from deep, rebounds well, very active body. I see element of a lot of European players that have come to the NBA and been very successful here.

Cassius Stanley (Duke) - Stanley basically been the difference maker this season for a Duke team that had last 3 of the top players in the country to the NBA draft. Yeah Vernon Carey is their leading scorer and Tre Jones is Tre Jones but Duke wouldn't be where they are right now if Stanley wasn't there. Explosive, intense player who has a ready made NBA body for a wing. Extremely strong defender and high IQ guy. Even though some feel his 3 point shot may not translate as well as in college (currently shooting 38% from 3) I think it's something he can easily work on.

Killian Tillie (Gonzaga) - from a pure talent and make-up standpoint it's hard not to like Tillie. He's a mobile, aggressive, smart PF that may be one of the best shooters from deep in the country. Remember watching Tillie early on with Gonzaga and really being impressed with everything about him. The Zags sometimes would run their offense through him where Tillie would serve almost a Vlade Divac type role (FYI, Tillie would be the PERFECT Triangle big lol). The thing is he's been injured a lot (knee, ankle, etc.) so there is the potential that he's just injury prone. But if he can stay healthy absolute he'd fit the NBA real well and would fit the Knicks real well in just about every way possible.

Ashton Hagans (Kentucky) - Hagans may be the best PG in the country that the masses have never heard of...which is surprising considering he plays for Kentucky. Hagans actually is the Wildscats PG, not Tyrese Maxey. Hagans is a terrific passer with great court vision and a tenacious instinctive defender. Has good size for a point and has a silky smooth game. His biggest weakness is the lack of an outside shot, his propensity to try to do too much with the pass. Confidence, feel and game is there and I think that will translate. The shot is a concern but if he shot well he'd be talked about as a top pick instead of Maxey.

Basically I'm looking for aggressive, smart, versatile guys with NBA bodies and mobility here. Guys from winning programs that know how to play team ball, can defend and has some aspect of their game that should translate at the next level.

And there's Makur Maker. He's gotten almost as much hype as his cousin Thon but it appears that Makur has a more advanced game and may be less hype than Thon was. A 7 foot PG with a 3 point shot is what he's being billed as. So there you have it. Not sure what to make of it lol.

[E-Balla]

Alright little exercise
let’s say knicks land top 3 and they also manage to trade Morris for a late first. We will call that pick #24-28.

Lamelo at pick 26 Jordan Nwora
Ball + Nwora to add along to Barrett and Mitch

So who do you pick with top 3 pick. Assuming you get your choice of ball wiseman Edwards and who do you take around 24-28

For the top 3 it's Wiseman, Ball, or Haliburton to me. Outside of Wiseman I don't think anyone is good enough that we can ignore that glaring need at PG. I'm tired of it.

For the second pick if we get Wiseman I'm guessing we flip Mitch for a PG because there's not much talent at that position late this year.

No matter what I want Tyler Bey with the pick though. His defense and athleticism makes him a decent fit anywhere as long as there's a playmaking PG around. RJ will need to improve his shot or Bey would be stuck at PF though.

[Fat]

Something for the hailburton fan club (6/9 from 3 his last game)

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[Fat]

Y’all already know what’s going to happen

I’m about to jump on the cole train just because nobody really f*cks with him

[Fat]

If you go Wiseman, then you have to trade Mitch for a PG (Halliburton?) to balance the young core. If you go PG, then you keep Mitch, of course.

The way hailburton is playing that’s not happening youll need more than mitch to move up high enough to acquire him

[RHODEY]

Something for the hailburton fan club (6/9 from 3 his last game)

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Sorry Mitch, I luv ya, but I cant pass on a chance to add both Wiseman and Haliburton to our core. You'll be sorely missed

[E-Balla]

Something for the hailburton fan club (6/9 from 3 his last game)

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I figured it out... Why people aren't higher on him. It's because he looks like KYLE's ass.

[HerSports85]

Something for the hailburton fan club (6/9 from 3 his last game)

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Sorry Mitch, I luv ya, but I cant pass on a chance to add both Wiseman and Haliburton to our core. You'll be sorely missed

I’ll ship Mitch out in a heart beat. We might can pull it off if the warriors drop. I’m sure they’ll be glad to take Mitch, he’s a better fit than the guards in the draft. Hawks as well, they need a good center.

[RHODEY]

Something for the hailburton fan club (6/9 from 3 his last game)

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Sorry Mitch, I luv ya, but I cant pass on a chance to add both Wiseman and Haliburton to our core. You'll be sorely missed

I’ll ship Mitch out in a heart beat.

Well I think Mitch can do great things in the right situation, but Wiseman...it seems like he has the higher ceiling

[HerSports85]

Sorry Mitch, I luv ya, but I cant pass on a chance to add both Wiseman and Haliburton to our core. You'll be sorely missed

I’ll ship Mitch out in a heart beat.

Well I think Mitch can do great things in the right situation, but Wiseman...it seems like he has the higher ceiling

Don’t get me wrong, I love Mitch. He’s my second favorite on the team but you can’t pass up pairing wiseman and Haliburton with RJ. You just have to take that gamble. We can even slot Wooten into the PF position to give us the defensive intensity Mitch brings

[Knicksfan1992]

I still can't for the life of me understand the fascination with Wiseman lol. Coordinated big who may have some shooting touch and some defensive upside but right now he's not particularly great at either. IDK he's not some sure thing to me. Outside the top 3-5? Sure I guess.. but I think i'd rather just roll the dice with developing Mitch who has a much higher upside defensively even if he's probably limited as an offensive option.

[Marty McFly]

I still can't for the life of me understand the fascination with Wiseman lol. Coordinated big who may have some shooting touch and some defensive upside but right now he's not particularly great at either. IDK he's not some sure thing to me. Outside the top 3-5? Sure I guess.. but I think i'd rather just roll the dice with developing Mitch who has a much higher upside defensively even if he's probably limited as an offensive option.

granted I've only seen that game vs south carolina state, but He doesn't seem like an Ayton or Embiid type of prospect to me.

[god shammgod]

I still can't for the life of me understand the fascination with Wiseman lol. Coordinated big who may have some shooting touch and some defensive upside but right now he's not particularly great at either. IDK he's not some sure thing to me. Outside the top 3-5? Sure I guess.. but I think i'd rather just roll the dice with developing Mitch who has a much higher upside defensively even if he's probably limited as an offensive option.

wiseman is barely better offensively. mitch starts to hit 1 mid range jumper every other game and they're basically the same player on offense. the knicks are never taking him over a guard if they're in that position anyway. never ever. all the production on this team is in the front court.

[Mecca]

I still can't for the life of me understand the fascination with Wiseman lol. Coordinated big who may have some shooting touch and some defensive upside but right now he's not particularly great at either. IDK he's not some sure thing to me. Outside the top 3-5? Sure I guess.. but I think i'd rather just roll the dice with developing Mitch who has a much higher upside defensively even if he's probably limited as an offensive option.

granted I've only seen that game vs south carolina state, but He doesn't seem like an Ayton or Embiid type of prospect to me.

lol Ayton

[TheScout31]

I still can't for the life of me understand the fascination with Wiseman lol. Coordinated big who may have some shooting touch and some defensive upside but right now he's not particularly great at either. IDK he's not some sure thing to me. Outside the top 3-5? Sure I guess.. but I think i'd rather just roll the dice with developing Mitch who has a much higher upside defensively even if he's probably limited as an offensive option.

granted I've only seen that game vs south carolina state, but He doesn't seem like an Ayton or Embiid type of prospect to me.

He’s not ... at all.

[E-Balla]

I still can't for the life of me understand the fascination with Wiseman lol. Coordinated big who may have some shooting touch and some defensive upside but right now he's not particularly great at either. IDK he's not some sure thing to me. Outside the top 3-5? Sure I guess.. but I think i'd rather just roll the dice with developing Mitch who has a much higher upside defensively even if he's probably limited as an offensive option.

Wiseman isn't a sure thing but he can be molded into a 2 way star. Mitch isn't a 2 way star, at best he's Gobert with more mobility on defense, which is still great and top 15 in the league, but that's his ceiling.

That said Mitch is great enough to where I wouldn't mind trading Wiseman. I see Mitch's fouls going down as of late and that really makes him a completely different prospect than the Mitch that was fouling constantly.