Fake Trade Thread 2

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

From MIke Schmitz article on young trade targets who could thrive on a new team:

Ntilikina would be most valuable as a 3-and-D off-guard/wing who can play some second-side pick-and-roll. If the right team looks at him through that lens, it will see real value in the tough, rangy defender who doesn't turn 22 until July, making him younger than NBA rookies De'Andre Hunter, Rui Hachimura, Matisse Thybulle and Brandon Clarke. Prospects standing 6-foot-5 with a 7-foot wingspan and the ability to guard three positions like Ntilikina does are rare. Plus, Ntilikina's value on the trade market likely never will be lower.

As opposed to the role he currently is playing on a Knicks team full of hungry scorers, Ntilikina would be much more valuable in a winning environment where defense and basketball IQ are praised. A situational causality of sorts, Ntilikina might never live up to his No. 8 draft pick status, but landing in a spot that accentuates his strengths and dims his weaknesses could go a long way in turning his career around.

I would trade Monk for Ntilikina

Totally agree...a good trade for both teams. Would certainly help us but also reset the midget backcourt that needs some work.

100% on board with this.

[Chapelchilla]

From MIke Schmitz article on young trade targets who could thrive on a new team:

I would trade Monk for Ntilikina

Totally agree...a good trade for both teams. Would certainly help us but also reset the midget backcourt that needs some work.

100% on board with this.

Definitely on board with this, both guys need a change of scenery

[Chapelchilla]

I would also see if Dallas wants to make a trade for Marv or Cody now that Dwight Powell is out for the year. They could use a vet big who is a team player and won't hog the ball.

[Diop]

Totally agree...a good trade for both teams. Would certainly help us but also reset the midget backcourt that needs some work.

100% on board with this.

Definitely on board with this, both guys need a change of scenery

Frank has good size, his shooting is still crap though. 32% from 3 and 38% overall this season, which are his career bests.

reading the Knicks board didn't feed me with excitement, they seem reasonably pessimistic about him.

we say similar about Monk though

also what scares me is Frank being described as "passing team player" "not overly aggressive" Gives me the Diaw/Batum sweats.

[DY_nasty]

From MIke Schmitz article on young trade targets who could thrive on a new team:

Ntilikina would be most valuable as a 3-and-D off-guard/wing who can play some second-side pick-and-roll. If the right team looks at him through that lens, it will see real value in the tough, rangy defender who doesn't turn 22 until July, making him younger than NBA rookies De'Andre Hunter, Rui Hachimura, Matisse Thybulle and Brandon Clarke. Prospects standing 6-foot-5 with a 7-foot wingspan and the ability to guard three positions like Ntilikina does are rare. Plus, Ntilikina's value on the trade market likely never will be lower.

As opposed to the role he currently is playing on a Knicks team full of hungry scorers, Ntilikina would be much more valuable in a winning environment where defense and basketball IQ are praised. A situational causality of sorts, Ntilikina might never live up to his No. 8 draft pick status, but landing in a spot that accentuates his strengths and dims his weaknesses could go a long way in turning his career around.

I would trade Monk for Ntilikina

nah

frank is a charity case

[DY_nasty]

Frank has good size, his shooting is still crap though. 32% from 3 and 38% overall this season, which are his career bests.

reading the Knicks board didn't feed me with excitement, they seem reasonably pessimistic about him.

we say similar about Monk though

frank is terrible lol

we don't even get excited when monk drops 20, but they will have standing ovations when he scores a dozen points and makes point a to point b passes

he's literally been beaten out by every point guard the knicks have brought in at some point or another

[stinger14]

People need to watch Frank play. Monk is not what we hoped for, and maybe he never will be, but....

Monk >>> Frank

Frank is terrible

[DY_nasty]

People need to watch Frank play. Monk is not what we hoped for, and maybe he never will be, but....

Monk >>> Frank

Frank is terrible

For real

maybe Bacon for Frank

MAYBE

[316Hornets]

People need to watch Frank play. Monk is not what we hoped for, and maybe he never will be, but....

Monk >>> Frank

Frank is terrible

I'd say they are fairly equal value wise. What Frank lacks in offense he makes up in defense in comparison to Monk. I think it's easier to improve on offense than defense at the NBA level, so actually like Frank more than Monk.

[BigSlam]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=s3gp3bo

[DY_nasty]

People need to watch Frank play. Monk is not what we hoped for, and maybe he never will be, but....

Monk >>> Frank

Frank is terrible

I'd say they are fairly equal value wise. What Frank lacks in offense he makes up in defense in comparison to Monk. I think it's easier to improve on offense than defense at the NBA level, so actually like Frank more than Monk.

Nobody invests in young defensive guards. You buy those for cheap when you're finally moving to becoming a winning team. Defensive wings are all over the place...

His defense isn't even that good either. He's solid, but nobody is at practice like "How do we handle Frank?"

[bravor]

There is no point to add Ntilikina if you get rid of Monk. Martin can cover the backcourt best player on a cheap contract. I would add Frank if Monk was to remain here since he would complement him and make up for some of his mistakes and create on the other end which is where Ntilikina is struggling with.

On the other hand, something could be done with Hornets geting Thybulle (and maybe dsj?), Monk going to Nyk, Morris going to Philly. with some adjustments.

[316Hornets]

People need to watch Frank play. Monk is not what we hoped for, and maybe he never will be, but....

Monk >>> Frank

Frank is terrible

I'd say they are fairly equal value wise. What Frank lacks in offense he makes up in defense in comparison to Monk. I think it's easier to improve on offense than defense at the NBA level, so actually like Frank more than Monk.

Nobody invests in young defensive guards. You buy those for cheap when you're finally moving to becoming a winning team. Defensive wings are all over the place...

His defense isn't even that good either. He's solid, but nobody is at practice like "How do we handle Frank?"

Which is why I added the 'in comparison to Monk' bit in there. Both guys are young and have opportunity to improve. I'm just saying between the two, I'll take the guy that is already playing NBA level defense over the guy making splashes every few games.

[DY_nasty]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=s3gp3bo

If we go after anyone (reasaonable) it should be Portis.

I'd say they are fairly equal value wise. What Frank lacks in offense he makes up in defense in comparison to Monk. I think it's easier to improve on offense than defense at the NBA level, so actually like Frank more than Monk.

Nobody invests in young defensive guards. You buy those for cheap when you're finally moving to becoming a winning team. Defensive wings are all over the place...

His defense isn't even that good either. He's solid, but nobody is at practice like "How do we handle Frank?"

Which is why I added the 'in comparison to Monk' bit in there. Both guys are young and have opportunity to improve. I'm just saying between the two, I'll take the guy that is already playing NBA level defense over the guy making splashes every few games.

All I'm saying is perimeter defenders are never really that hard to come by and I'd rather take my chances on a second round pick than waste time with Frank. His development has been depressingly poor.

[BigSlam]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=s3gp3bo

If we go after anyone (reasaonable) it should be Portis.

I was just looking at ways to open up as much cap space as early as possible.

[316Hornets]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=s3gp3bo

If we go after anyone (reasaonable) it should be Portis.

Nobody invests in young defensive guards. You buy those for cheap when you're finally moving to becoming a winning team. Defensive wings are all over the place...

His defense isn't even that good either. He's solid, but nobody is at practice like "How do we handle Frank?"

Which is why I added the 'in comparison to Monk' bit in there. Both guys are young and have opportunity to improve. I'm just saying between the two, I'll take the guy that is already playing NBA level defense over the guy making splashes every few games.

All I'm saying is perimeter defenders are never really that hard to come by and I'd rather take my chances on a second round pick than waste time with Frank. His development has been depressingly poor.

He's shooting 87.5% free throw this year. That's a remarkable improvement from his 73.5% average first 2 years. True shooting % is up. I think he'd be a pretty solid glue man on the 2nd unit. Pretty sure he's dealt with some injury issues too.

[DY_nasty]

so maybe in a few years he'll be as good as treveon graham? i'll take the 2nd round picks...

[Rich4114]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=s3gp3bo

I like the thought behind trading Terry too. I don't think he really fits on this team long term and his value (if you just look at his stats/trajectory) are at an all time high. Some players just don't get the flow of the game and he is one of them. I think he's concerned about his stats and being the man more than anything. He's young, his contract looks OK and his stats are great. If we could cash him in to a PG hungry team trying to get into the playoffs then sign me up. We could use it to get out of another contract or pick up a future pick or something. Devonte is the clear future of the PG position here.

[stinger14]

People need to watch Frank play. Monk is not what we hoped for, and maybe he never will be, but....

Monk >>> Frank

Frank is terrible

I'd say they are fairly equal value wise. What Frank lacks in offense he makes up in defense in comparison to Monk. I think it's easier to improve on offense than defense at the NBA level, so actually like Frank more than Monk.

Nobody invests in young defensive guards. You buy those for cheap when you're finally moving to becoming a winning team. Defensive wings are all over the place...

His defense isn't even that good either. He's solid, but nobody is at practice like "How do we handle Frank?"

This^^^

I certainly dont see any teams lining up to get MKG, yeah that's who Frank reminds of, except MKG is actually more useful than Frank. MKG as good, if not better defensively, rebounds the ball well, and is actually better offensively than Frank, yet we can't find playing time for him, and no teams are wanting him.

The league has turned into an offensive league, therefore Monk would hold more value at this point. Monk is still young enough that he COULD still turn into a force on offense in an offensive league, Frank will keep getting the maybe next year treatment until he reaches where MKG is now, and everyone finally realizes it's not happening.

Also, we have a guy on the bench that wears number 11 with the name Martin listed above the number. That guy is a rookie, and is already a better version of Frank.

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