Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

craig · Post #1761 » by **craig** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:12 pm

Pacers are one of four teams with 16 losses, bunched in the pick 19-22 range of the draft. (Houston, Dallas, Philly).

Frank Nova · Post #1762 » by **Frank Nova** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:18 pm

rilamann wrote:I'd still feel considerably more confident about our title chances if we swapped Bledsoe for Brogdon right now. The greatest threat to our title chances isn't the Lakers or the Clippers or the Sixers, it's playoff Bledsoe.

This is a fair assessment. We will find out in a few months if Bledsoe at 60m was the championship investment and not Brogdon at 80m. It will be easy to tell when the time comes imo.

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DingleJerry · Post #1763 » by **DingleJerry** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:22 pm

I suppose you could also argue that of our likely late playoff matchups that LAL, LAC, and Phi do not have the problem PGs that Bledsoe's D would be needed against. Maybe Lou Will, but that's kind of it. Boston of course though has Kemba

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #1764 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:37 pm

Brogdon reducing Khris' usage over the years not being talked about enough.

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #1765 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:40 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I look at that and think damn Khris is having a superstar season.

it comes as NO coincidence that it happens when Malcolm is gone

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #1766 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:53 pm

craig wrote:Pacers are one of four teams with 16 losses, bunched in the pick 19-22 range of the draft. (Houston, Dallas, Philly).

We may need to get strategic when we rest Giannis

blazza18 · Post #1767 » by **blazza18** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:00 pm

Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I look at that and think damn Khris is having a superstar season.

it comes as NO coincidence that it happens when Malcolm is gone

Lets not do this

Ron Swanson · Post #1768 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:02 pm

Pretty hard to call this anything but a massive win at this point. @Me with the "wait until the playoffs" takes if you like, but unless Brogdon had some hidden postseason switch that he never flipped on with us, how far we go in the playoffs has become a near irrelevant factor in how I think people should evaluate this trade going forward.

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #1769 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:04 pm

blazza18 wrote:
Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I look at that and think damn Khris is having a superstar season.

it comes as NO coincidence that it happens when Malcolm is gone

Lets not do this

Do what exactly?

Khris' usage is higher than it's ever been. He's finally second on the team in usage, verses fourth in usage when Malcolm was here.

It's a direct correlation.

skones · Post #1770 » by **skones** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:10 pm

Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:
blazza18 wrote:
Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:it comes as NO coincidence that it happens when Malcolm is gone

Lets not do this

Do what exactly?

Khris' usage is higher than it's ever been. He's finally second on the team in usage, verses fourth in usage when Malcolm was here.

It's a direct correlation.

Khris was 2nd in usage last season (25.1 vs. 25.9 this season). Idk what you're talking about. Brogdon was 4th.

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #1771 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:16 pm

skones wrote:
Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:
blazza18 wrote:
Lets not do this

Do what exactly?

Khris' usage is higher than it's ever been. He's finally second on the team in usage, verses fourth in usage when Malcolm was here.

It's a direct correlation.

Khris was 2nd in usage last season (25.1 vs. 25.9 this season). Idk what you're talking about. Brogdon was 4th.

Last year, when the Bucks starters shared the floor, Khris had the fourth highest usage. This season when playing with the starters, he has the second highest usage.

blazza18 · Post #1772 » by **blazza18** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:24 pm

If Midds was 4th in usage with the starters it probably said more about him and less about Brogdon.

crkone · Post #1773 » by **crkone** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:29 pm

blazza18 wrote:If Midds was 4th in usage with the starters it probably said more about him and less about Brogdon.

Or it says more about Bud's rigid system in it's first year.

blazza18 · Post #1774 » by **blazza18** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:35 pm

crkone wrote:
blazza18 wrote:If Midds was 4th in usage with the starters it probably said more about him and less about Brogdon.

Or it says more about Bud's rigid system in it's first year.

He's getting more of what he wants this year and still has spurts where he's not involved in anything. That Bud''s fault too.

RogerMurdock · Post #1775 » by **RogerMurdock** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:35 pm

I need everyone to stop trolling me by bumping this thread. Let me live in peace, please.

crkone · Post #1776 » by **crkone** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:40 pm

blazza18 wrote:
crkone wrote:
blazza18 wrote:If Midds was 4th in usage with the starters it probably said more about him and less about Brogdon.

Or it says more about Bud's rigid system in it's first year.

He's getting more of what he wants this year and still has spurts where he's not involved in anything. That Bud''s fault too.

Yes? If you want Mids to shoot midrange after midrange while everyone else stands around I have a coach for you on the bench in LA. Let if fly means everyone on the court gets to let it fly at the detriment to everyone else on the court.

HaroldinGMinor · Post #1777 » by **HaroldinGMinor** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:25 pm

I don't think increase in USG makes you a better shooter. If you want to claim that Brogdon was hampering Midds' midrange game go ahead....but I think that'd be hard to prove. He's making more shots from everywhere on the floor but he's taking way more shots from 10 - 16 feet.

blazza18 · Post #1778 » by **blazza18** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:31 pm

crkone wrote:
blazza18 wrote:
crkone wrote:Or it says more about Bud's rigid system in it's first year.

He's getting more of what he wants this year and still has spurts where he's not involved in anything. That Bud''s fault too.

Yes? If you want Mids to shoot midrange after midrange while everyone else stands around I have a coach for you on the bench in LA. Let if fly means everyone on the court gets to let it fly at the detriment to everyone else on the court.

He was the only player who openly didn't like the system that made everybody on the team immediately better.

To get this back to where we were. Middleton has taken more responsibility this season because he's less pouty about the system and his efficiency is much better for it. I don't think it has anything to do with not playing with Brogdon.

emunney · Post #1779 » by **emunney** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:39 pm

I don't think it's about Malcolm, but I do think it's about Wes and the fact that he will take and make 3s with someone within 10 feet of him. Of course it is mostly about Khris working on his game every year.

crkone · Post #1780 » by **crkone** » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:53 pm

blazza18 wrote:
crkone wrote:
blazza18 wrote:
He's getting more of what he wants this year and still has spurts where he's not involved in anything. That Bud''s fault too.

Yes? If you want Mids to shoot midrange after midrange while everyone else stands around I have a coach for you on the bench in LA. Let if fly means everyone on the court gets to let it fly at the detriment to everyone else on the court.

He was the only player who openly didn't like the system that made everybody on the team immediately better.

To get this back to where we were. Middleton has taken more responsibility this season because he's less pouty about the system and his efficiency is much better for it. I don't think it has anything to do with not playing with Brogdon.

Bud has adapted his system to Mids because it was dumb not to do that. As said above, Mids is shooting more midrange shots this year. He's getting the shots he likes and surprise, surprise he's making them at superstar clips. Bud's system last year did not like those shots one bit. And like I said the let if fly mantra doesn't force feed shots to one person besides Giannis.